Blood and Gore in gaming - Yay or Nay
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I'm going to be very careful saying this, as this is always and will always be a very controversial topic, gamers or not.
Throughout history, such ideas as blood, gore, violence, bloodshed, war, and the like are a staple. They ARE a fact of life, and anyone trying to say otherwise is deluded. People die, people kill, and IRL, you don't just go squish. There is pain, there is death.
I think what the biggest fear is from parents about bloody video games is that they are desensitizing youth. Maybe, and maybe that is a good thing, since it would prepare them for the real world, which is NOT a nice place (don't know why I emphasized that, we all already know it, right?). But to believe that someone can kill just because they played a level of Wolfenstein is utter bullshit. I don't mean the physical ability to kill, but the emotional and mental capacity to kill, to take a life. Have you ever really sat down and thought really hard about it? It isn't fun, regardless of what you may say online.
These arguments alway come back to ratings, Banning, Parental fits over their children's games, when its stupid to still call it an argument. A rating system is in place. It is the PARENT'S FAULT, NONE OTHERS, if their precious little Mathy or whatever gets his hands on a copy of GTAIV.
As to blood in Videogames, I don't mind it. But then, I'm twenty years old, and I'm sure when I have kids, I'll be locking Bioshock and Halo up in a cupboard 'till he's fourteen or so.
Throughout history, such ideas as blood, gore, violence, bloodshed, war, and the like are a staple. They ARE a fact of life, and anyone trying to say otherwise is deluded. People die, people kill, and IRL, you don't just go squish. There is pain, there is death.
I think what the biggest fear is from parents about bloody video games is that they are desensitizing youth. Maybe, and maybe that is a good thing, since it would prepare them for the real world, which is NOT a nice place (don't know why I emphasized that, we all already know it, right?). But to believe that someone can kill just because they played a level of Wolfenstein is utter bullshit. I don't mean the physical ability to kill, but the emotional and mental capacity to kill, to take a life. Have you ever really sat down and thought really hard about it? It isn't fun, regardless of what you may say online.
These arguments alway come back to ratings, Banning, Parental fits over their children's games, when its stupid to still call it an argument. A rating system is in place. It is the PARENT'S FAULT, NONE OTHERS, if their precious little Mathy or whatever gets his hands on a copy of GTAIV.
As to blood in Videogames, I don't mind it. But then, I'm twenty years old, and I'm sure when I have kids, I'll be locking Bioshock and Halo up in a cupboard 'till he's fourteen or so.
Blood is a dramatic tool. If properly applied it can be a beautiful thing, adding impact and emotion to a scene or setting. If improperly applied it can take away from a game, then again so can removing it.
I would like to take this moment to complain about them removing the blood from
Xenosaga 3.
I would like to take this moment to complain about them removing the blood from
Xenosaga 3.
I like more realistic blood and gore effects, if I shoot someone in a game I expect a bit of red mist to come out. If I slash someone with a sword I expect them to bleed. I do not expect blood to spray out of a wound like it was coming out of a pipe with 500lbs of pressure behind it, as the human body does not pump blood that fast.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, I don't like games that allow me to bludgeon someone to death with a large sword or other object which is apparently blunter than a bit of wood because it won't cut ANYTHING.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, I don't like games that allow me to bludgeon someone to death with a large sword or other object which is apparently blunter than a bit of wood because it won't cut ANYTHING.
Actualy a smash to the head with a blunt object will make your blood splatter all over the place. And a cut trough any major blood vessel (especially the aorta) will launch your blood out pretty far. However blood and gore shouldn't be overdone, it should fit into the game's spirit. Don't get me wrong, a lot of gore in a game like Fallout isn't a bad thing, as it fits in.Jobz post=9.69031.669984 said:
I know a cut to the aorta or the jugular or something like that would cause a spray of blood, but it wouldn't be quite as large as the way it's depicted in video games, nor would it last more than a few seconds. As for a blunt hit to the head, it would depend what sort of object you're hit with, and where over the head.IceHell post=9.69031.670008 said:
I like it as long as it's reasonable to include in the game and isn't too overdone, like in Ninja Gaiden II, where basically any attack from any weapon will chop off a limb or three. I think a good limit for the gore in that case would be only having limbs being severed from the heavier attacks and those special attacks that I can't remember the name of that trigger the long attack animations. However, if the gore is intentionally and humorously over-the-top (in Team Fortress 2 and No more Heroes, for example), then I'm fine with any amount.
Newscaster:
Let's consult Caveman Bob to figure out just what kind of violence mankind is capable of enduring. Caveman Bob, if you'd be so kind as to recount your week...?
Caveman bob:
Sure. Well first I spend hours waiting for the herd of deer to thunder by, before jumping out from behind my rock holding a spear. Being quick, I plunged it into the animal's skull and rejoiced at the squishy sound indicating the kill. I was so overcome with bloodlust at that point I drank its blood and ripped its flesh off to consume raw. Then I went home and beat down my oldest son with a rock until his form stopped twitching because he tried to upstage me as leader of the family. Of course being a member down caused local tribes to move in, so we decided to attack preemptively. I snuck over with a few of my mates, and we got into one of the villages they'd set up encroaching on our territory.
So naturally we slaughtered the men, castrated the male children, and raped the rest. Afterward we sang and danced in the corpses of our enemies while preying to our God, ritualistically consuming the fallen's brains and hearts so that we may be imbued with their souls.
Newscaster:
Thank you Caveman Bob. We now return you to your ignorant video-game bloodbath-catalyst theorizing.
Let's consult Caveman Bob to figure out just what kind of violence mankind is capable of enduring. Caveman Bob, if you'd be so kind as to recount your week...?
Caveman bob:
Sure. Well first I spend hours waiting for the herd of deer to thunder by, before jumping out from behind my rock holding a spear. Being quick, I plunged it into the animal's skull and rejoiced at the squishy sound indicating the kill. I was so overcome with bloodlust at that point I drank its blood and ripped its flesh off to consume raw. Then I went home and beat down my oldest son with a rock until his form stopped twitching because he tried to upstage me as leader of the family. Of course being a member down caused local tribes to move in, so we decided to attack preemptively. I snuck over with a few of my mates, and we got into one of the villages they'd set up encroaching on our territory.
So naturally we slaughtered the men, castrated the male children, and raped the rest. Afterward we sang and danced in the corpses of our enemies while preying to our God, ritualistically consuming the fallen's brains and hearts so that we may be imbued with their souls.
Newscaster:
Thank you Caveman Bob. We now return you to your ignorant video-game bloodbath-catalyst theorizing.
It does depend a wee bit on the game... if it's focussing in a more 'realistic' direction, having your enemies shower the scenery with excessive amounts of blood (or not bleeding at all for that matter) will make it feel a bit dodgy. Getting onto the more 'unrealistic' games aforementioned situations (lots of blood being infinitely more likeable then no blood) there'd be nothin wrong at all. And then there's the lovely 'blood-switch' to ramp up or tone down the amount of bloodshed caused by that virtual soldier/physicist/robot/pillock/master chef/space marine or one-liner-machine that is you.
overall, being a fan of the more unrealistic side, there cannot be enough blood for me.
overall, being a fan of the more unrealistic side, there cannot be enough blood for me.
movies and video games dont influence people
(example) my history teacher showed me michael collins and it didnt make me want to be violent made me resent the british but i digress
(example) my history teacher showed me michael collins and it didnt make me want to be violent made me resent the british but i digress
Every game company should be legally required to have this feature on their game, if it contains blood or gore, because this is what is put pricks like Jack Thompson and Hilary Clinton in their place, they would have to find some other medium of entertainment to blame all the problems bad parenting causes
I really love totally ridiculous gore effects in games like fallout or Cortex Command, because it's just a great stress reliever. But if I was playing like Call of Duty or something, and my enemies were getting blown literally to chunks before my shotgun, I probably wouldn't be able to play.
I really love what you said here, and I think that an idea like this would be an amazing premise for a game if done correctly.vdgmprgrmr post=9.69031.656186 said: