"Blue Holes" Could Hold Clues to Alien Life
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What? They're amazing things and this is the biggest, deepest one of them all.TheMaddestHatter said:
Yeah, you'd think for all they have to talk about that technically I'd be an expert astrobiologist.Tinq said:
But seriously, I thought we already found extraterrestrial bacteria, on Mars. Or at least fossilized remnants of them. Obviously this could be an important next step, but I get the impression everyone still thinks it's a question of whether or not there's life out there at all. Maybe I misheard something.
That's what I was wondering. Anyone in the know? (Or willing to do the research???)similar.squirrel said:
Probably because it's true. I find myself to be fairly intelligent.Andronicus said:
Now I might not always make the most intelligent choices but that does not mean the basic premise that I am intelligent is false. I think you find that the same is true for humanity as a whole, we may not always make the best choices, but as a bunch we are pretty damned smart.
The only reason we ain't found alien life is the fact that the USA is covering up all knowledge of extraterrestrial life in order to find the secret path to Atlantis. from there, they will use the hyper-advanced technology to destroy China and claim the emergency marshmallow reserves hidden in the Great Wall of China in order to launch an attack on the solar beings that come to my house every night!!!
...what? I'm not crazy!
OT: Seriously, folks. If aliens exist, we WILL find them. Eventually. hell, a "Extraterrestrial" could just mean a creature that lives in the atmosphere.
...then again, let's pray for life on OTHER planets. the life on this one is messed-up enough.
...what? I'm not crazy!
OT: Seriously, folks. If aliens exist, we WILL find them. Eventually. hell, a "Extraterrestrial" could just mean a creature that lives in the atmosphere.
...then again, let's pray for life on OTHER planets. the life on this one is messed-up enough.
I think the group of alien researchers looking down at us from their cloaked ship up in space would feel inclined to disagree with you there.manaman said:
If this kind of stuff interests you I'd suggest you and anyone reading take a look at the tv series Wonders Of The Solar System. It's brilliant and the presenter Brian Cox really sells it. The episode you would like is titled Aliens (episode 5).Logan Westbrook said:
It's all wonderful stuff.
Okay, you have to be joking. It's hard to tell sometimes. Well here my response to people who decide to look down their nose on the intelligence of humanity as a whole usually follows as something like this:Andronicus said:
The chances that you are including yourself as unintelligent, or a part of the masses you look down on is pretty slim. So you find yourself to more intelligent then the vast majority of people. That only speaks of one thing, arrogance. We have words like average for a reason, and you will find that people don't usually deviate from average by much. Chances are you are a lot closer to average then you want to acknowledge. There is nothing wrong with that, and rather then thinking something has to be special about you because you find everyone else to be so stupid recognize those thoughts for what they, confirmation bias of a preconceived notion. Embrace the fact that humanity might not be in such a bad spot as you want to think. Sure there are the oddball geniuses, and some people that don't progress beyond a typical 5th graders level of intelligence, but even that is pretty damned smart when you take animal intelligence into consideration.
Most people think the cool sciences are theoretical phsyics, or nuclear chemistry. But actually, the coolest sciences are conducted 1000 feet below your backyard in a diving suit; Xenobiology.
The density difference between the two layers prevents them from mixing with each other. However each layer is allowed to circulate within itself. This might show it clearer:summerof2010 said:
http://www.lmvp.org/Waterline/spring2005/images/stratification.gif
Also, turbulent re-aeration is much greater than the molecular diffusive type. The upper fresh layer is open to the atmosphere and turbulent wind forces, which allows quick re-aeration. Since it is allowed to mix with itself, the highly oxygenated air from the water surface is mixed within the upper fresh layer.
There is no mixing between the fresh and salt layer though, so no oxygen is carried to the lower layer. Any oxygen that does makes it though due to diffusion is likely to be quickly consumed by and decaying matter (oxygen consumption >> diffusion rate).
Hmmm, interesting news. A little surprised this one didn't get reported by Lauren Admire though since the science thing is her schtick. No complaints though.
Truthfully I think this is interesting news, makes me wonder if any of these new species being discovered are getting interesting names, and if any of them will prove to be inspiring enough (or horrifying enough) creatures for them to sink into popular culture.
Makes me wish I had the money for a "B" movie, having some horrible monster slither out of a blue hole "investigated" by scientists would let me claim my cheezy monster flick had actual scientific validity! (like many others have claimed) "Really, this isn't just exploitive trash cinema with too much sex and violence, this could actually happen! How do we know that there isn't anything in these blue holes with an overwhelming compulsion to ravish blue eyed blondes...."
Truthfully I think this is interesting news, makes me wonder if any of these new species being discovered are getting interesting names, and if any of them will prove to be inspiring enough (or horrifying enough) creatures for them to sink into popular culture.
Makes me wish I had the money for a "B" movie, having some horrible monster slither out of a blue hole "investigated" by scientists would let me claim my cheezy monster flick had actual scientific validity! (like many others have claimed) "Really, this isn't just exploitive trash cinema with too much sex and violence, this could actually happen! How do we know that there isn't anything in these blue holes with an overwhelming compulsion to ravish blue eyed blondes...."
Hehe, okay okay, you've made your point. That said, I do disagree, and for the record, I don't think I'm way smarter than everyone else. Obviously I have no idea if there are alien ships up there or not, but if there were, I can only hope that they have some hope for us in the future. In the grand scheme of things, I honestly don't think we as a race can claim to being extremely intelligent. As you said, it's all relative, and relatively speaking, we are pretty intelligent, but that's only because all we have to compare ourselves to is animals. To compare yourself to, say, an antelope, and then proclaim "Yeah, I'm pretty smart!" is borderline arrogance in itself. Think of all the problems in the world, and then consider the fact that most of them can be attributed to human stupidity. Sure there are, as you say, the "oddball geniuses", the kind that stand out from the crowd and introduce new fantastic concepts and ideas to the general populace. But look back in history, and you'll find for every great new smart whatever, there's a WHOLE LOTTA STOOPID to go with it.manaman said:
So no, I don't think I'm some great intelligent gift to the world; I just don't think the human race can claim to being as smart as they generally think they can, myself included. I just try to keep an open mind about all the things we don't know, rather than focusing on the things we do.
EDIT: Also, just so's we're clear on this, I do understand what you originally meant in your first post. When someone says alien, most people say "Well I've never seen any little green men flying around, and I think if there were, someone would have seen them, wouldn't you?" because, well, you know, they're stupid. Obviously any life, including microbes, that don't originate on Earth are to be considered "alien life".