"Blue Holes" Could Hold Clues to Alien Life
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Arrogance is an offensive display of superiority or self-importance. It also implies hubris on one's part. Hubris just being the same thing, just excessive. Confidently stating what is truth does not make one arrogant, and even if it did, arrogance does not mean falsehood.Andronicus said:
That's specifically why I used that word. The impression I get from your text is average in every way, but that does not mean that you being significantly more intelligent then others is necessarily false, or knowing that being arrogance. It was the looking down on humanity as a whole that motivated me to use that word above others.
It's funny the way humanity remembers inventors. There are people like Franklin and Edison that are immortalized as great inventors, and people like Einstein that are remembered for advancing areas of science. Truth be told these people did have great concepts, but they built on all that came before them. There is a reason when you start looking over inventors that all the great modern inventions are disputed. There are probably 15 different countries here that will tell you someone from their country invented the lightbulb. They all did pioneering work on it, but the reason Edison is remember is because he perfected it for common use. Everyone bought Edison bulbs, and everyone bought Bell telephones, and use bell service. I happen to be an engineer and I have more then one patent under my belt, in fact selling a communication related patent helped immensely in funding the early stages of my businesses. A patent nobody uses, bought only to keep a competing idea out of the way. Does that make me any less of an inventor then those guys, not really, but I will never be remembered for it because my name will never be on the side of a package.
To use your words: I am basically bringing forth the argument that for everything smart there was hundreds other smart things done that make it possible. You are just focusing on the dumb.
Then call me Mr. Pessimistic. I've only just started uni, but I don't think I did very well in high school. I usually got a lot of good feedback from my work, but I always felt that it was sloppy, half-hearted and never worth the marks given. I could be wrong, it could be worth all the praise it was given, but that's not how I see it. I have done good work in the past, work which I personally can see and recognise as good. But mine is not the most subjective viewpoint, so I try and take on board what other people say. See, even though I have done good work, I can never feel like I've put in enough energy to get where I am, and I always try to strive harder to get better. It might see like I'm just belittling my own accomplishments, but I see it as motivation to get better, and to get better results, not just in the form of grades at school, but in all aspects of my life. I look at my mistakes and how they've set me back, and focus on bettering myself in spite of them. I feel as though if I focus only on what I've accomplished, I won't be able to push myself harder to get better.manaman said:
It might not seem like an entirely perfect analogy for this situation, but I feel like it does apply to certain degree. If you focus only on what the human race has accomplished, however big or small, then you can't move forward. I understand that you want to see the human race as, not perfect, but accomplished in many ways, and I don't disagree. All I'm saying is that a whole lot of accomplishments together don't equal an intelligent race, especially when factoring in the "dumb".
I don't feel inclined to continue this discussion, as it seems as though we're both set firmly in two differing opinions. Hopefully we can just agree to disagree. Peace?
We can agree to disagree, but I would like to give you some parting sage advice. We always see the flaws in our own work. For me it was art that I excelled at early in life, but I never felt anything I did was worthy of the praise it received. It is only now looking back that I can see it was. The problem with my outlook was I knew what I intended, and I only looked at it compared to that, and it would never quite measure up. Nobody else could see that, they could only judge the work on it's own merits.Andronicus said:
oh my god SQUISHY GREEN GUYS TO MEET!!
but seriously i don't think these blue holes will help as the chemicals in the water would be different there then on other planets. i still think its really interesting but not helpful to find E.T
but seriously i don't think these blue holes will help as the chemicals in the water would be different there then on other planets. i still think its really interesting but not helpful to find E.T
Not intended for me but I'm going to take that advice anyways, thanks.manaman said:
Anyways to the topic at hand, I'm incredibly excited about this research and hopefully the Bill and the gang (someone please know what I'm talking about...) Can come find something down there worth examining. When/If they do, hopefully the escapist stumbles upon it and I can find out too. Science is just plain awesome.
As a certain half-Vulcan would say, "fasinating".
No really, that's very interesting now the layers of water cause no oxygen transfer but also that it has created unique life forms suited to each blue hole.
Wow.
And hay, forget all this 'on other planets' stuff for a second (as awesome as that is) we've only just discovered this on our own planet. How amazing is that?!
Earth is such an amazing planet.
No really, that's very interesting now the layers of water cause no oxygen transfer but also that it has created unique life forms suited to each blue hole.
Wow.
And hay, forget all this 'on other planets' stuff for a second (as awesome as that is) we've only just discovered this on our own planet. How amazing is that?!
Earth is such an amazing planet.
Keep in mind that any life on another planet would not only have a different evolutionary starting point than us, but would have evolved along entirely different lines based on the conditions of their planet. In all likelihood, they'd be so unlike anything we've seen that it's hard to imagine. Their "intelligence" would be on a completely different level than our own. That's not to say that they'd be more/less intelligent than us, but rather, they'd be intelligent in a completely different way.Canid117 said:
Magenta holes. God, get with the times.ciortas1 said:
It's nice to see that we're still looking for alien life so fervently as to not actually go out there. Whatever you can do at home, I guess, but it just seems like a step back when scientists are going to start dicking around in caves as opposed dicking around in space.
