BNP MEPs

[Doug]

Don't forget an alarmingly high proportion of Britain does not accept evolution; clearly critical thinking is not our strong point.

I was surprised to find that you're right!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2009/mar/02/belief-map-uk-creationism

Belief in creationism/intelligent design seems to be around about 30-ish% in most areas. To be honest, I'm surprised and very disappointed by this.

That said, at least things aren't as bad as in America:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm
Only 13% believed in the completely scientific view of evolution in 2004,
38% believed in evolution 'guided by god',
and 45% believed in creationism/intelligent design.

I wonder how the rest of Europe, Canadian, and other 'western' countries are with regards to the acceptance of evolution.

 

[Lyri]

I wouldn't let anyone from the BNP use my toaster, let alone have a seat in parliment.
It makes me wonder, it really does.

 

[manicfoot]

Hardly suprising. In harsh times people need a scapegoat. Its hilarious reading people's comments on BNP sites on facebook.
"omg lyk dose immigants r stealin r jobs!"
"yerrrr...lern 2 spk english or get da fuck out of our countrie"
Its the most unintentionally ironic thing ever.

 

[Futurehead]

Probably - the Northerns have less contact with the foreigners than we Midlanders/Southerners. Add to that, their poorer, less likely to be educated, and have higher unemployment rates - i.e. spkectical of the government and more likely to believe extremist solution groups like the BNP when they spout their bigotted crap about how immigrants are the source of all Brittains problems.

I resent that a great deal, it's ignorant, assuming and it's also wrong.

Come and spend the day in any Northern city and then tell me people in the North have less contact with foreigners. You might also want to head to Liverpool and spend the day discussing the merits of Lowry with a street sweeper before you call northerners uneducated.

Its a generalisation. Overall, hes right.

Unfortunately this is the case. Cities like Liverpool, Manchester and Leeds are multi-cultural and on the whole very accepting but from a lot of my own experience there are still the stupid ignorant idiots that live in the working class towns. These people are likely to pass on the "bigotted crap" from one generation to the next and yes I am talking about places Batley, Dewsbury, Wakefield, Sheffield, the list of these sort of places is endless.

I'll give you your typical white family from this sort of area, at the very least they are to have grandparents who are uneducated and slightly senile, spouting their racist views from one generation to the next. If luck is on your side your parents never took any notice of these archaic views and therefore did not instill the current generation with these views (like mine). But most people I talk to are slightly racist and likewise with their parents. I take comfort knowing that one of my best friends is strongly against the BNP and has parents that are not in the slightest bit racist.

I don't know how many people will take this as a valid point, but I do think education has a lot to do with it. Its funny how people will watch attentively a BNP party programme after Look North but will not take any notice of anything else. I'm actually getting quite angry about the society I live in as a whole now so I'll stop.

 

[Crumblebumble]

Probably - the Northerns have less contact with the foreigners than we Midlanders/Southerners. Add to that, their poorer, less likely to be educated, and have higher unemployment rates - i.e. spkectical of the government and more likely to believe extremist solution groups like the BNP when they spout their bigotted crap about how immigrants are the source of all Brittains problems.

Oh dear. So much wrong with this. People from the North don't live in caves so don't presume they're illiterate idiots. There is a lot of immigration which is why some people up there vote BNP and because there are fewer vacancies it may seem to some that foreigners are 'taking all the jobs.' I know because I have lived and worked there myself.

Finding anyone who doesn't have doubts about the government at the moment would be more of a challenge than finding those who do. It's a nationwide issue.

Its a generalisation. Overall, hes right.

No, he isn't.

Let's all remember that education is compulsary and this is not 1900. Everyone has (in theory) the same chance to be well-rounded, lovely individuals.

And finally, I have experienced more racism in the South personally because I ended up having to be around snobby, jingoistic people who were all, "Oh remember when Britain owned so-and-so," so, no, the North is not more racist than the South. We're all one country and we're all as bad as each other.

twunt.

I like this word. I am going to steal it.

 

[The Rusk]

Probably - the Northerns have less contact with the foreigners than we Midlanders/Southerners. Add to that, their poorer, less likely to be educated, and have higher unemployment rates - i.e. spkectical of the government and more likely to believe extremist solution groups like the BNP when they spout their bigotted crap about how immigrants are the source of all Brittains problems.

I resent that a great deal, it's ignorant, assuming and it's also wrong.

Come and spend the day in any Northern city and then tell me people in the North have less contact with foreigners. You might also want to head to Liverpool and spend the day discussing the merits of Lowry with a street sweeper before you call northerners uneducated.

Its a generalisation. Overall, hes right.

No he's not. It's got nothing to do with the north being less educated, poorer or having less contact with foreigners than the south, it all comes down to patriotism.

The reason why people in the north vote for the BNP is because it is seen as the most patriotic of all the political parties. It is the only party that prioritises Britain first, and this appeals to a larger number up north because (and this is a generalisation) they tend to be more patriotic than those down south.

 

[Brett Alex]

well 900 votes was the difference for them to have those 2 seats. Its disappointing that most Muslims didn't vote due to they all see MP's, MEP's etc has being hostile to Muslims that includes me has well being Muslim i didn't vote due to the islamphobia in parliament

plus people only voted BNP because they saw the expenses scandal showed that the "mainstream parties" were corrupt so its protest vote so it doesn't say the north is racist it just says there fed up with the BS they get from parliament.

For future situations, remember that voting is not about choosing the best party, or your favourite party, its about doing your best to keep the dickheads out.

Not voting because you think the mainstream are bad people isn't a protest, it just makes it easier for the really bad people to get in.

 

[Sebenko]

Probably - the Northerns have less contact with the foreigners than we Midlanders/Southerners. Add to that, their poorer, less likely to be educated, and have higher unemployment rates - i.e. spkectical of the government and more likely to believe extremist solution groups like the BNP when they spout their bigotted crap about how immigrants are the source of all Brittains problems.

At lease we're capable of spelling correctly and using the correct form of "they're"
I can also pronounce "the" without missing out two thirds of the letters, unlike the stereotype, and I dismissed the BNP argument after seeing their propaganda video. Pure twaddle.

Other mistakes in your post:
Brittains (Britain's - Possessive. "Brittains" would be the plural of something called a "Brittain")
spkectical (skeptical)
bigotted (bigoted)

Less likely to be educated, then? If you're so smart, I'll stick to being an "uneducated" northerner.

On a serious note, I know a couple of BNP voters, and their reasons are as follows-
Dissatisfaction with available choices.
It is known that, when normal choices seem ineffective, people will vote for extremists. See Germany, 1933. March the 5th, especially.

No he's not. It's got nothing to do with the north being less educated, poorer or having less contact with foreigners than the south, it all comes down to patriotism.

The reason why people in the north vote for the BNP is because it is seen as the most patriotic of all the political parties. It is the only party that prioritises Britain first, and this appeals to a larger number up north because (and this is a generalisation) they tend to be more patriotic than those down south.

Patriotism? I'd rather see Yorkshire become a separate country than have the BNP in power.
Actually, I'd like Yorkshire to be a separate country full stop, so that doesn't count.

Also, North FTW.

 

[Cpt. Red]

IM just glad we didn't get our version of the BNP ,witch is the Swedish Democrats(Sverigedemokraterna), in the EU... Instead we got the pirate party so yay for us... (Some politicians actually said something similar to this as a comment on the results)

 

[rosac]

Probably - the Northerns have less contact with the foreigners than we Midlanders/Southerners. Add to that, their poorer, less likely to be educated, and have higher unemployment rates - i.e. spkectical of the government and more likely to believe extremist solution groups like the BNP when they spout their bigotted crap about how immigrants are the source of all Brittains problems.

This has the essence of petrol about it. Don't start a flame war.

Also, if you think we have less contact with foreigners- visit bradford. Then tell us that.

thank you.

rosac

 

[Steve Dark]

Does anyone else see the irony here? A Party dedicated to withdrawing from Europe now has seats on it's parliament? Why did they even stand in the election? :S

 

[Straitjacketeering]

Oh god someone call V before it's too late.

OH GOD HE'S DEAD.

 

[wordsmith]

*snip*

Less likely to be educated, then? If you're so smart, I'll stick to being an "uneducated" northerner.

*MK voice* Fatality!

On topic, I'm just going to pull one comment out

Its hilarious reading people's comments on BNP sites on facebook.
"yerrrr...lern 2 spk english or get da fuck out of our countrie"

Now, I know that you were making the joke etc, but this is one of the only parts that I (Loki save me) agree with them on. I believe that when in Rome, do as the Romans do. If I was to move to France, to India, to China, wherever, I would be going into THEIR society, so I would be living by THEIR rules. I find it damn rude when I'm in France and I hear someone shout at a waiter or at a shop owner in English, and expect them to understand it.

Long story short- come to the country, fine. If you want to be a local, fine. But that means you live by OUR customs, learn to speak OUR language.

Now... Let the cries of "you racist bastard I'm going to kill you" begin.

 

[wordsmith]

Damn firefox

 

[wordsmith]

eek triple post

 

[Bluebacon]

Does anyone else see the irony here? A Party dedicated to withdrawing from Europe now has seats on it's parliament? Why did they even stand in the election? :S

Yeah, that's what I thought too. The UKIP also got quite a lot of votes and they want to withdraw from the EU too. Weird. Perhaps they just wont turn up to the EU Parliament. We can but hope.

I wouldnt draw too much from this anyway. The EU elections had a poor turnout with lots of people voting for random parties, so smaller parties managed to profit from this. While this meant the BNP got more votes, so did the Greens, so it's swings and roundabouts really.

 

[Cousin_IT]

BNPs vote was pretty even & not that high across the country. Its just the low turnout coupled with the fact that alot of ppl who didnt vote for labour didnt vote for many of the other major parties either, mean that in those two constituencies the numbers worked out to their advantage. Its a big shame & all, & will boost Nick Griffen's standing on the British far right which sucks, but I dont see is as symptomatic of a serious shift to the far right or anything like that.

 

[manicfoot]

*snip*

Less likely to be educated, then? If you're so smart, I'll stick to being an "uneducated" northerner.

*MK voice* Fatality!

On topic, I'm just going to pull one comment out

Its hilarious reading people's comments on BNP sites on facebook.
"yerrrr...lern 2 spk english or get da fuck out of our countrie"

Now, I know that you were making the joke etc, but this is one of the only parts that I (Loki save me) agree with them on. I believe that when in Rome, do as the Romans do. If I was to move to France, to India, to China, wherever, I would be going into THEIR society, so I would be living by THEIR rules. I find it damn rude when I'm in France and I hear someone shout at a waiter or at a shop owner in English, and expect them to understand it.

Long story short- come to the country, fine. If you want to be a local, fine. But that means you live by OUR customs, learn to speak OUR language.

Now... Let the cries of "you racist bastard I'm going to kill you" begin.

Heh I'm not going to call you a racist bastard. I agree with you. Its the irony of English people telling foreign people to speak English in broken English that I find endlessly amusing

 

[timmytom1]

*snip*

Less likely to be educated, then? If you're so smart, I'll stick to being an "uneducated" northerner.

*MK voice* Fatality!

On topic, I'm just going to pull one comment out

Its hilarious reading people's comments on BNP sites on facebook.
"yerrrr...lern 2 spk english or get da fuck out of our countrie"

Now, I know that you were making the joke etc, but this is one of the only parts that I (Loki save me) agree with them on. I believe that when in Rome, do as the Romans do. If I was to move to France, to India, to China, wherever, I would be going into THEIR society, so I would be living by THEIR rules. I find it damn rude when I'm in France and I hear someone shout at a waiter or at a shop owner in English, and expect them to understand it.

Long story short- come to the country, fine. If you want to be a local, fine. But that means you live by OUR customs, learn to speak OUR language.

Now... Let the cries of "you racist bastard I'm going to kill you" begin.

I actually agree with you on this, if you`re going to move to another country you should try to fit in ,i lived in france for 5 years and found it a pleasent place,however much like anywhere else you have to learn their rules (i.e learn some basic french,shops shut 12 till 1 except restaurants) nothing pissed me off more than exqmples like the one you mentionned

 

[messy]

In the "spectator" recently they were describing the BNPs methods of gaining votes, and surprisingly it doesn't involve shouting out "white supremacy" and wearing white hoods. They focus locally and help out smaller communities with there problems, they are then seen as more helpful then the major parties who often people (especially those further from London, if only because of the distance) see as impersonal and corrupt.

People are more likely to the people who helped there problem (poor water excess, pest problems, small crime) then MPs seen claiming expenses for a moat. So it has nothing to do with racist the BNP are quite smart

Similar to the Nazi's in 1930's Germany changing their message depending on which group of people they were talking to e.g promises jobs to unemployed, promising to squash communism to the rich.

Doesn't help that only 34.7% of people who could vote did so its not representative, and a few of those that did vote did "protest votes" to avoid voting for the main three parties