BOTH New Xbox and PS4 Will Be Shown At E3

[GonzoGamer]

Thank God Corporations don't release products based on the ability of pre-teens without jobs to purchase new products.

But That IS what they do. Haven't you been paying attention?
Every year there's a slightly different 360 or DS that hits the market...and yes, there are plenty of people who actually buy every new one. Even people who can't really afford it. Still, I guess it's still cheaper than doing the same thing with your car.

After negotiating through this console cycle between a childrens toy, a well supported console with a chronic bricking problem (and a fee), and a well built machine that gets the worst support imaginable, I've ended up preferring the PC as my gaming platform. All this really means to me is that I should finally upgrade my desktop pc in another couple of years. Console wize, I only see it being another generation of broken machines and promises.
I don't care how much they hype up the new consoles, there's no way they're getting me to buy one.

 

[Vigormortis]

Lemme guess... upscale version of mocap/motrack visualisation systems? Cool tech but not relevent. You use down scaled models and BG that a real time rendering engine can handle with rough approximations of lighting. It's about as much a 'certain degree' of 'avatar calibre graphics' as a pushbike is a 'certain degree' of car. The biggest barrier to realtime photorealistic graphics tech is the complexity of calculations required for realistic behaving light, the complexity of which increases semi-exponentially (it's kind of hard to explain exactly how it works without giving a crash course in CGI lighting) for each polygon added to the scene.

Of course, you can argue that to the layman the criteria for being 'avatar calibre graphics' is much lower... and seeing as many would probably have difficulty telling the difference between 'avatar calibre graphics' and high end PC game graphics makes their criteria pretty much useless and the claim of 'avatar calibre graphics' the marketing bullshit of a knobber who thinks 'High End PC graphics' wouldn't be enough of a drawcard.

Um...no offense but you seem to be taking my comments both WAY too personally and not for what they are. Not sure if it was your intention, but your explanations comes off as a tad condescending. Just saying.

I'm not at ALL saying Microsoft's supposed claims are possible. Not even the slightest.

I am well aware of the "complexity" in rendering detailed CG imagery. In real-time or otherwise. All I was saying in my previous post was that rendering highly detailed CG video in real-time is possible. The cameras used on the set of Avatar did just that. It's just that rendering such imagery with a level of detail even a quarter as detailed as was seen in the final cut of Avatar is impossible. (with todays tech)

Read his post again.

The CGI rendered in real-time for Avatar was not highly detailed. That was the whole point of his argument. The CGI used on set at Avatar was basic and undetailed. It provided Cameron and co with a working skeleton of how everything would be positioned, and nothing more. The camera's on Avatar rendered a very basic skeleton of the world, which the animation and rendering then went over and overhauled in practically every way imaginable.

It's no different to when Jackson and Weta used mo-cap to create Gollum for Lord Of The Rings. When Andy Serkis performed his lines and actions, there was a very, very basic blocky model of Gollum that acted out the moves. It still took hundreds of hours of fine-tuning, extra animation and rendering to create Gollum as he was seen on screen.

Commercially available real-time CG is no more advanced than the latest high end PC games. That's because videogames are now the main area of focus in rendering computer-generated imagery in real time. There's a reason people were blown away by Crysis back when it first came out. It wasn't impressive just for a game, it was impressive by CG standards full stop.

Sigh...missing my point again.

Not once did I say the real-time rendered video was as detailed as the final product. But comparatively speaking, it was far more detailed than most other real-time rendering techniques.

Also, the overly convoluted explanations are really not necessary people. I KNOW how this stuff works. I KNOW the sorts of things that are and were possible with the tech we have and had. It's becoming a tad insulting how condescending your responses are. I don't like being talked down to. Especially when the "explanations" I'm given are extremely basic and obvious bits of information compared to what I actually know on the topic.

Perhaps you should reread the entirety of my post again before you decide to inform me that I need do the same with another.

 

[Erttheking]

Well, I'm fairly interested, despite what other people are saying, my xbox 360 and nintendo Wii are both working just fine. I may look at these new systems, but for the moment I'm happy with what I've got, if I'm going to buy something, they better make it worth the six hundred...by the way off topic for a sec, why is it always 599.99 or something like that, why not 600 and make it less complicated?

 

[l3o2828]

IS it really necessary? i doubt the PS3 and XBOX360's life are far from over and i dont think a slightly bigger proessing power will make the difference, even more so if they are gonna use it for graphics alone the bastards...

captcha: iviteh annus.

 

[wooty]

Its seems the two worlds are clashing away again.

Console owners seem to mostly be saying, too much, too expensive, too soon.
PC owners seem to be saying yes to it, for graphical reasons.

As a player of both.......I couldnt care, it took me 3 years to bother upgrading my pc and if a new console comes out, then I'll probably buy it because of ease of play.

 

[Shadow flame master]

Oh goody, I just got a PS3 for Christmas and I now have all three consoles of this generation, as if that wasn't enough, I get news that a new Xbox and Play Station is coming out. Fucking. Hell.

I only have one game for the PS3 and now I have to save up money to buy a NEW Play Station AND a Xbox? This sucks because soon I'll be a college freshman and I'll need all the money I can get.

 

[redisforever]

I JUST bought a PS3! No, I don't think they will, because both companies have games coming up on their consoles, and they won't just switch now.

 

[Shadow flame master]

@Shadow flame master

You are complaining you only just got every console of this gen? Wow, most people stick with one and you are complaining you only "just" got them all.

You don't have to buy all the consoles, progress shouldn't be held back because you cannot manage your money effectively.

To try to rebut you (in vain), I didn't *just* get all three consoles on Christmas. I got the Xbox in 2008 and the Wii in 2007 or 2008 (I have shitty memory). Second: I know I don't have to buy (or in this case get my dad to buy) all the consoles in every generation but it's hard to not want all of them if there's an exclusive game for each console that I want to play.

As for the "Quit bitching" part, I'll admit that my comment seemed like I was, but I seriously thought that it wouldn't be until another 2 years before they came out with the next generation of consoles. It simply shocked me that now with new consoles on the horizon, game developers would start to make bigger and better games that are exclusive to these consoles which, in turn, will make me salivate more than I ever had and constantly wonder should I buy it or not.

Also, as a teenager, I want to be with people talking about the newest things that come out, and seeing that games and some music is one of the few things I have in common with the others, I have to get new games and consoles to even remotely know what I'm talking about. Sorry but I realized that my last sentence is completely idiotic and blaming the fact that I'm a teenager just to justify the need of said consoles and games is absolutely not appropriate just because I have poor communication skills.

 

[CyanideSandwich]

It's definitely overdue. I recently read an article (not sure where) that predicts that if consoles don't get their shit together soon, mobile phones will be more powerful devices. They're already more powerful than the PS2, and at the rate they're advancing, they'll be better than the PS3 soon enough. It's because new phones come out all the time, but consoles have remained the same for the past 5 years or so. If they don't release a new generation of consoles soon, they'll be surpassed by devices that can fit in the palm of your hand. Get your shit together, consoles, and I don't mean better graphics, damn it!

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

Not sure if it was your intention, but your explanations comes off as a tad condescending. Just saying.

Possibly but I tend to write for all potential readers in public messages. It can be a confusing habit for others at times.

I am well aware of the "complexity" in rendering detailed CG imagery. In real-time or otherwise. All I was saying in my previous post was that rendering highly detailed CG video in real-time is possible. The cameras used on the set of Avatar did just that. It's just that rendering such imagery with a level of detail even a quarter as detailed as was seen in the final cut of Avatar is impossible. (with todays tech)

Thing is that the initial quote/claim (quoted claim?) was 'avatar calibre graphics', which you have agreed is impossible, not 'highly detailed'... sure, there are a lot of computers that can do real time 'highly detailed' (obviously varies by your definition) rendering but they are in no way capable of producing anything near the same results as something like the final cut of Avatar in real time. The tech to do so might be available in future but it's not here now nor will it be in the immediate future.

I'll stop here before I trigger mass suicide by going on about Graphics Vs Visuals.

 

[mrhappy1489]

In before people saying it's too soon.

It's not, if anything it's overdue.

The PC platform is suffering because of it (having to lower graphics in games in order to make it cross platform), and Console gaming is suffering from having to make graphical sacrifices in order to push dated hardware to keep a consistent graphical push, such as 720p only support, lack of anti aliasing, lower res shadows, and the game playing in thirty frames, rather than sixty.

Not wanting a new systems because of financial reasons is irrelevant, you can't stop progress at the end of the day.

you do know graphics aren't really that important to the over all game right? cause to be honest I'd rather they sacrificed graphics if it means the rest of it may not suck.

which they won't, it'll be all about the graphics again cause people are easy to fool like that.
so rejoice!! you'll get your pretty but empty cash in games.

Dude, I frekin love you, in a purely platonic way of course.

 

[pluggin]

I really hope that the new updates, aren't purely towards improving the hardware and software used in the kinect, and the same with the PS Move. I think that as a console gamer, I'm slowly losing interest and considering turning to PC gaming, simply because it's factual that the PC is clearly the more capable gaming system.

 

[RickyRich]

I don't want another new console, I'm finally getting used to the 360 and getting a good game collection. Why do they screw with us like this? Looks like I may be going PC permanently.

 

[Buizel91]

Bout friggin time!

Hopefully they will have backwards compatibility so Skyrim will work better! xD

 

[TheDharmaFox]

I for one could wait, I got a PS3 only last year, not exactly ready to move on just yet.

 

[FamoFunk]

I look forward to seeing what happens, I wouldn't get one straight away (just like going from PS2-3) as I am happy with my PS3. Plus, the price will be way too crippling to start off with; as soon as good titles come out and there's good deals/price drop, I'm in.

 

[Boris Goodenough]

They really need to bolster the RAM on the machines to a min of 1 GB maybe 2 to be save. Put in some new 23 NM processors and they should be game. Also maybe allow for SSD harddrives?

Well.... sounds like you are willing to spend quite a lot....

SSDs? holy crap...

A single ssd of the same size as an hdd in a console costs AS MUCH AS THE CONSOLE.
Okay... maybe slightly less. Add to that more ram, new processors...
I really wish companies would stop developing FASTER ssds and start to make CHEAPER ssds so that they can actually be put to use practically.

SSDs have fallen 50% in price in the last 1 year and 3 months and gotten about twice as fast.

 

[Sylveria]

I normally don't take this stance, but the "the consoles low specs are holding PC games back" argument is just retarded. As much as I hate the game, I have yet to see any PC exclusive titles that compare to stuff like FF13 or Battlefield as far as graphical quality. Also, it tells me that PC gamers are the reason we have games sacrificing gameplay and originality for graphics if that's all they care about. You're part of the problem PC gamers.

The consoles themselves mean nothing. The value of a console lies in the games that it supports. As of now, we know of zero games for either, we don't even know if the machines exist. And, chances are, if the new consoles are announced, it'll be another 2-3 years MINIMUM before they come out, so there's no reason to worry about cost now. You have years to save your pennies. Start pinching.

Speaking of games, these days I get more enjoyment out of new additions to my PS2 or PSP libraries than my PS3. Xbox360 isn't even a blip on the radar as I am not a broshooterbro and I can count the 360 exclusives I actually want on 1 hand.