Oooooh. Not the best example. Sorry, I'm not even going to address the OT. I've got a beef with Matt Parker and Trey Stone and this is the perfect opportunity to bring it out. I know it's a bit nitpicky and might come off as cherry picked, but I really need to get this off my chest. Knowing me, it's probably going to get really long and ranty, so fair warning if you're not interested in rambling words.Kameburger said:It does end up reminding me of what the south park creators said when they were talking about why they don't like liberals, and they said that despite the fact that there is an image of conservative groups that would get up in arms about insulting their beliefs, it was the liberals who, when insulted, would write the most vial and vitriolic hate mail.
Even though I watch South Park, I've really grown to dislike the creators' reasoning for being "above both sides" and how often it seeps into the show and makes a great or just decent episode subpar. You see, they claim to be above all the infighting, how people think you have to be super liberal, they use Michael Moore as an example, or super conservative, they use shooting Iraqis overseas as the example here. So, while they don't hide their conservative leanings, they consider themselves more center than most people and certainly more logical. The problem? Whenever they hit both "sides" they hit liberals worse. They say it's because everyone skewers conservatives, so it'd be like beating a dead horse, that making fun of liberals is more fun. They say it has nothing to do with who's worse. They say that the statement Matt made years ago that, "I hate conservatives, but I really fucking hate liberals" wasn't what Matt really thought, but rather just done for trolling's sake and shock humor. I don't believe any of that honestly. They show too much pettiness for me to believe them. I remember when Kenny had to save heaven from the armies of hell via a golden PSP created by God himself. Kenny couldn't fulfill his destiny because he was in a medically sustained coma. Republicans wanted to keep him on feeding tubes, Democrats said it was inhumane. They even show The Emperor from Star Wars influencing the Republicans. Yet, in that same episode the Democrats are still portrayed as worse, as morons ruining everything, despite using 1 of the most evil villains in fictional history, so evil it's practically cliche, to substitute in for Republicans. They had to get a better dig in at the Democrats regardless. Then, they go back to saying how they're above it all. Nope, they're not and their arrogance and pettiness in refusing to admit it is something I find very distasteful. This [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park_Republican] actually sums up what I mean pretty well. You can see them contradicting each other and then claiming they're not really contradicting each other. To be fair, how you interpret their statements is subjective, so you may not see it as hypocritical the way I do. I wouldn't care if they stopped acting so high and mighty how they're above all the arguments. I don't really associate as a Democrat, so it's not like I'm set up to be insulted anyway.
You also have to understand that why they might get more hate mail from liberals is the intended audience. There's a reason the term "South Park Republican" exists (even if the creators don't like that fans coined the term) though if you clicked on my link you already know enough about that. My post is getting kind of vindictive though, so I'm going to take a break and brighten up the mood with a more satirical (though kind of half serious) take on that term just for hahas. Won't link it onto a word this time just to emphasize this is a chance to take a break from how exhausting my post probably feels and remove some of the cynicism it probably emits. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/South_Park_Republicans
Good break? Okay, so the liberals who watch might be more active in their critique than the conservatives who watch too. In my experience, of the people who watch South Park liberals are more vocal about their criticism and conservatives just talk about how stupid the insults were, but how it's not worth getting vocal to the creators because they're stupid people and who likes talking to stupid people. So, there is just as much hate from conservatives, but they don't voice it as strongly. That's anecdotal though. Outside of the show, respective liberal and conservative vocal-ness on issues obviously varies; otherwise, you're generalizing. There are other shows that have creators claiming they get more hateful mail from conservatives. Even if it doesn't balance out to same amount of vitriol from both "sides", it's disingenuous for them to dismiss liberals by their limited mail rather than from statistics or extensive (as in been all over the country, had civil discussions with very political people, etc. and even then that's still anecdotal) experience with liberals.
Not gonna lie, still watch the show. That 2 parter episode on the console wars was great. I know I might be misjudging them and that they're better than they sometimes seem. It might just be an act for "shock humor" as they say. They've never proven this to me though, so I can't help judging them so harshly despite mostly liking the show.
Personally, I think that it's much harder to choose a side AND admit it openly no matter who you're with. When you're independent you can get out of any serious argument and not come off as a spiteful jerk refusing to cooperate. When you admit to leaning towards one side or the other, you have the burden of still having to act civil despite all the stereotypes of your side and despite all the partisanship divide that has caused you trouble, trouble such as costing you friends on the other side of the poltical spectrum. We need to have a healthy conversation on how it's okay to lean as long as you don't treat people terrible for leaning in the other direction and as long as you're willing to compromise for the better good instead of acting stubborn out of selfishness and over-dedication to ideology. That's why I've never have hidden where I lean politically even though, technically, I'm registered as an Independent. There are some terrible figureheads, but I really don't think there's that many politicized people who are awful people. Yet, I hear way too often how Democrats are devil reincarnate or Republicans are devil reincarnate. If you only pay attention to the hateful, "opposite from your side", people on TV and then distance yourself from people you ACTUALLY KNOW on the opposite "side", so you're only hanging out with people on your "side" then of course it's going to seem that way. There's a term for that: Confirmation bias. Honestly, regardless of my political views, if you're a civil, respectful person with a good heart deep down I can get along with you. I could care less if you're conservative or liberal if you have that going for you.