Brink : No Girls Allowed

[Ladette]

Two words: Body Types.

There are three body types. Light, medium, and heavy. If you've seen the game, you know that light bodies are lean and muscular, medium types look like bodybuilders, and heavies are freakishly huge. If women were to be in the game, they would be relegated to light body types; not only would medium and heavy sized women be impossible, but they would also be grotesque. So any females playing the game would compelled to play as a woman, which would limit them to playing the role of a light character, no matter the actual combat role that they would have the most fun playing. Therefore, its just better to bite the bullet and play as a male character.

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You keep saying nobody wants to play that like you actually know what everyone wants. You're dead set on the fact that women can only be large and powerful or attractive, not both at the same time.

People are making a fuss about Brink because the developers are making a big fuss about how amazing the customization is. Hard to be impressed when they only allow you customize one sex.

 

[Ozzythecat]

Considering their reasons I'm not all the disappointed, though I am a guy so I probably have some bias. Also I like the fact that instead of watering down the customization to include both genders they decided to please the majority of potential customers and not try to please everyone.

Though it is a shame that female gamers do get the short end of the stick on this one.

 

[Duskflamer]

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All we're saying is that it's a little hard to take "In depth customization" seriously when you're only able to play as one of the two biggest parts of customizing a character, gender.

But maybe I/others are just biased from experiences with games like Oblivion, Fallout 3, Bioware RPGs, etc. where they don't seem to have any problem allowing the players to play as females. And in the last case they have to redo scenarios worth of dialog recording and cutting to allow it to happen, not just adding a few texture models.

 

[TheDrunkNinja]

Agreeing that females shouldn't be playable in a game would be like agreeing with that dick who didn't want homosexuals in Dragon Age 2. Sorry, but pandering to one demographic, no matter how much larger it is than any other, isn't right.

 

[Snotnarok]

What you have to realize is that it takes time to make the models and what not but when it comes to things you can swap around, male gear would have to be nearly completely remade to fit on the female figure.

Also, all these fancy moves were made with a male skeleton in the animation so to put a womans body to it would make it look awkward. This means with all these parkor moves they'd have to spend more time re-motion capturing these things which takes a long, long time. The effort into the game would have been doubled. Adding new skins and whatever is easy in comparison to what they'd have to do with another gender.

While I think having the other gender in it would have been great, it also would have been the harder/more expensive choice.

Let's just see if they put out females as (hopefully free) DLC or something, wishful thinking? Sure but I kind of understand why they didn't put them in to begin with.

 

[Ladette]

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You keep saying nobody wants to play that like you actually know what everyone wants. You're dead set on the fact that women can only be large and powerful or attractive, not both at the same time.

People are making a fuss about Brink because the developers are making a big fuss about how amazing the customization is. Hard to be impressed when they only allow you customize one sex.

The customization would be less amazing if they added females.

Also, people who are getting offended at this need to chill the fuck out. It's a game

I fail to see how much more difficult it would be to add customization options for females. "It's just a game" oh thank you for telling me. I thought it was a light novel.

 

[darksakul]

"No Girls Allowed"
So it is one huge sausage feast? Or is it the Writers of Dragon Age II is involved?

 

[mexicola]

Any game that offers even the most basic of character customization options, but does not include the option to select your gender, is immediately ignored by me. That's why I have not and will not play the Gothic series.

Considering Gothic series has absolutely no character customization outside equipment and skill-point allocation, that's a pretty lame reason not to try a game.

OT: I was not aware Brink didn't contain any female characters, but I don't intend on playing the game one way or the other so I can't find it in myself to get upset over this.

 

[internetzealot1]

Why though? Female bodybuilders exist in the real world, why can't they exist in Video Games, where we're supposed to drop certain limitations of the real world.

So, we can jump 5 times our hight while shooting a gun that creates portals and flinging fireballs around, but having a non-lightweight girl is just impossible? I don't buy it.

Bolded the part that's bullshit. Why can't there be massive, muscular women? Why can't women wear large armor? Why is it that heavy women can't be freakishly huge? We have female body builders in real life. Every female character doesn't need to conform to the default "slim, sexy" apperance.

If you want one of the selling points to be customization then why leave one gender out? It's lazy developing and a cop out excuse.

I don't think you two quite understand how massively exaggerated the proportions in Brink are. Mens' muscles can reach higher bulk than womens'. That's just a fact. And even for the male characters, the amount of muscle on the characters at heavier end of body the spectrum is insane (read: several times worse than Gears of War).

So, if you really were dedicated to putting women in Brink and giving them equal opportunity you have two options. Neither of them work.

1) To fit all three sizes within the realm of bearability, you could tone down the female muscularity to make more sense. So each female body type would be less muscular than its male counterpart. The problem arises when an someone comes across a female enemy; because of the less extreme sizes, it is harder to identify what type she is. And since the sizes vary in health, mobility, and which weapons they can use, its important to understand instantly what you're up against. Its like how Valve made each class distinct in Team Fortress 2. So female characters would start out unfair and quickly become exploits used to confuse enemy players.

2) Say screw it and just make female characters have the same proportions as males. Now, as I said above, the two heavier types get absolutely massive. And a female character that matched their size would be so ugly, so horribly grotesque, that no one would want to play as them, except to troll the players that had to see them. They would be a horrible visual mar on the game, and Splash Damage doesn't have to do that to themselves just to cater to everyone.

Now, I can understand why you guys want women in the game. And I'm all for everyone being able to customize their character the way they want. But, at the end of the day, its just an aesthetic choice. And aesthetics take a backseat to gameplay. There's no one that will be concerned with how their character looks when they're in a firefight; if they are, then they aren't enjoying the game enough to warrant them playing, and they should stop. Or chill out, I don't know.

Catchpa: cablikes war.

 

[BigKush]

Now spend a few seconds thinking of a girl that big. Sure they exist. Does anybody want to play as that?

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Fem!Heavy is credit to thread. Srsly, people, it's like 2011. Women are allowed to have muscles.

None of them even look like female characters. You dont understand character design. Theyre effectively drag queens. Men with shabby faux female features.

 

[Ladette]

Two words: Body Types.

There are three body types. Light, medium, and heavy. If you've seen the game, you know that light bodies are lean and muscular, medium types look like bodybuilders, and heavies are freakishly huge. If women were to be in the game, they would be relegated to light body types; not only would medium and heavy sized women be impossible, but they would also be grotesque. So any females playing the game would compelled to play as a woman, which would limit them to playing the role of a light character, no matter the actual combat role that they would have the most fun playing. Therefore, its just better to bite the bullet and play as a male character.

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You keep saying nobody wants to play that like you actually know what everyone wants. You're dead set on the fact that women can only be large and powerful or attractive, not both at the same time.

People are making a fuss about Brink because the developers are making a big fuss about how amazing the customization is. Hard to be impressed when they only allow you customize one sex.

Well outside of the girl in the unreleased gears of war 3 there aren't very many "Big" female characters in any medium. Probably for two reasons, hard to make look good. And people don't want them(if people wanted them they would be there simple rule of business is that things people want, sell well, at some point somewhere its been proven that they dont).

Im not set on that fact at all. I said PRESENTABLE, theres a fair difference, as my image i linked earlier THE GUY IS UGLY but they went with the badass appeal, and it sort of worked. But on the female form it just doesn't work as well.

I'm really not in the mood to argue with someone who will hurp durp a good game because a feature they want which was never advertised isnt in it. You gonna have a go at the next gears of war because it doesnt have a gun that fires rainbows.

It hasn't been done, therefore people don't want it? It hasn't been done yet because developers are afraid of trying anything new. A few of the unreal tournament games had big, bulky female characters and I don't recall anyone refusing to play for that reason.

It's more than possible to make a female character big and badass.
http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&section=&q=muscular+female#/d22ua7u

Gears of War isn't trying to sell itself on customization. And a gun that fires rainbows wouldn't fit in gears of war at all. I wasn't planning on buying Brink even if it had female characters. I was pointing out the awful reasoning for why they couldn't.

 

[ChieftainStag]

personally i think its simply easier to only include male characters, for example:

larger builds are slower and resist more damage (like the heavy), whereas smaller builds are faster but yet resist less damage (like the scout).

adding in females on top of this formula makes this more complicated.

imagine a female heavy :S that doesnt really fit.

Ugh... female heavy... bad mental image. sorry but thinking of large body type female reminds me of I think it was the first pokemon game for the GameCube (it was awhile ago...) does anyone rember the Female Body Builder trainer? it basically was the male body builder with diffrent hair and a pink shirt. plus it looked weird. I guess if the Brink dev team wanted to do something diffrent my suggestion would be to have the Light body type be female. Females are supposed to be more dexstrous than men.

also the thing with female spartans in Halo: Reach was that they only look diffrent. they have the same hitboxes but they just look like females.

I do hope that later on or in Brink 2 they will have female character models but I guess that's the price for having it released a week early and having a very large customization menu.

(I aplologize if anyone takes this comment as sexist. I did not intend for it to be) EDIT: nvm about female heavyjus saw picture above my post