Brink : No Girls Allowed

[Saelune]

Did Halo have female charecters in IT'S multiplayer? What about Section 8? I don't know why Brink is the upset. Of course, it is a little more jaring since there isn't power armor for everyone. Despite Spartans in Multiplayer looking male, it doesn't take much to imigine one as a girl.

Uh...yes they did. Well, Halo 3 was half assed with just female groans, but Reach had more official female spartans.
WHen you take steps forward, it is unwise to take steps back, in terms of innovation anyways.
A game about customization is being foolish to not include female models. It is just laziness.

more like a company that didn't have the time or money to do it.

It was either a fully robust male system or a downgraded system for both sexes, oh and probably worse animations, since they'd need to take time to animate both genders.

Id rather the not as good both sexes than the perfect one sex. When its a focus of your game, you better do it right. There is no real excuse for something that you are bragging about.

 

[Ladette]

Two words: Body Types.

There are three body types. Light, medium, and heavy. If you've seen the game, you know that light bodies are lean and muscular, medium types look like bodybuilders, and heavies are freakishly huge. If women were to be in the game, they would be relegated to light body types; not only would medium and heavy sized women be impossible, but they would also be grotesque. So any females playing the game would compelled to play as a woman, which would limit them to playing the role of a light character, no matter the actual combat role that they would have the most fun playing. Therefore, its just better to bite the bullet and play as a male character.

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You keep saying nobody wants to play that like you actually know what everyone wants. You're dead set on the fact that women can only be large and powerful or attractive, not both at the same time.

People are making a fuss about Brink because the developers are making a big fuss about how amazing the customization is. Hard to be impressed when they only allow you customize one sex.

Well outside of the girl in the unreleased gears of war 3 there aren't very many "Big" female characters in any medium. Probably for two reasons, hard to make look good. And people don't want them(if people wanted them they would be there simple rule of business is that things people want, sell well, at some point somewhere its been proven that they dont).

Im not set on that fact at all. I said PRESENTABLE, theres a fair difference, as my image i linked earlier THE GUY IS UGLY but they went with the badass appeal, and it sort of worked. But on the female form it just doesn't work as well.

I'm really not in the mood to argue with someone who will hurp durp a good game because a feature they want which was never advertised isnt in it. You gonna have a go at the next gears of war because it doesnt have a gun that fires rainbows.

It hasn't been done, therefore people don't want it? It hasn't been done yet because developers are afraid of trying anything new. A few of the unreal tournament games had big, bulky female characters and I don't recall anyone refusing to play for that reason.

It's more than possible to make a female character big and badass.
http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=§ion=&q=muscular+female#/d22ua7u

Gears of War isn't trying to sell itself on customization. And a gun that fires rainbows wouldn't fit in gears of war at all. I wasn't planning on buying Brink even if it had female characters. I was pointing out the awful reasoning for why they couldn't.

Why are you arguing about a game you don't even care about. Thats like an athiest going to church and telling them their praying wrong.

And its not awful reasoning, its called a business decision.

Oh and yeah your right unreal did have bulky females, which were rarely used, at least not in any of the online i played. Therefore kinda proving my point that its just an unnessacary amount of work for something that most people are never going to even see.

I'm arguing the reasoning behind why they don't have females. I'd like to have seen them try it just because it'd be nice to have someone in the video game industry that understands that women have more than two body types. It'd be nice to have the option to play as a female character.

I think it's crap that they're talking about their character customization but completely ignore a gender.

We obviously disagree on this so i'll respectfully leave you to your opiion.

 

[BoredDragon]

oh no, how will I fulfill my metro-sexual shooter fantasies now!?!

Really, why does it matter so much? Ok, you won't be able to play as a girl, but it's not like it's essential to gameplay. I honestly think this thread was created for bitching for the sake of bitching

 

[BigKush]

I'm honestly curious about your views on this, now, because you aren't making much sense at the moment. What do you think, about a female character with big muscles, is impossible to design?

That's what I'm saying. It's not the DESIGN. It's the character. What is the background story of a race of big muscley women with guns in Brink? How does that fit in, pray tell?

And exactly as others have been saying - it's NOT impossible. Sure! Lump a bunch of muscley females into a game. Just see how well it polishes.

 

[internetzealot1]

Mens' muscles can reach higher bulk than womens'. That's just a fact.

It is a fact that people cannot fly. It is a fact that magic does not exist in the real world, at least not in the flashy sense we tend to think about. It is a fact that faster than light travel cannot exist for anything that has mass.

None of these facts apply to fiction. Why should "females don't have as much muscle as men"?

Read the rest of my post. Its not just that the women can't be as muscular as the men...its that no one wants to see the women as muscular as the men.

 

[Bonecrusher]

Honestly, I don't care if I have to play a transgendered Labrador Retriever with a tophat and Doc Martens, I care if it's a good game, and it would be awesome if people focused on that more than the incidentals.

I agree, the details is not important, the gameplay is.

If Prince of Persia had female hero or Tomb Raider male hero, the game wouldn't change.

Sometimes people are really obsessive with the cosmetics...

By the way, Male-only character customization is a design aspect, not they just couldn't do.

 

[rsvp42]

And to point out the obvious flaw with several pieces of non-logic - it is extraordinarily robust character customisation. To add in a female model requires doubling everything.

Fuck that shit.

Being female adds nothing to brink as your gender plays no part in how the game rolls.
You can't be a girl in TF2, where's the rage for that huh?

Right on. Such a shame that game makers can give people great customization and a slick design sensibility rarely seen in shooters, then still get criticized for not doing it twice just for a gender swap. The absurd level of self-entitlement among gamers never fails to amaze me.

 

[Duskflamer]

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Mens' muscles can reach higher bulk than womens'. That's just a fact.

It is a fact that people cannot fly. It is a fact that magic does not exist in the real world, at least not in the flashy sense we tend to think about. It is a fact that faster than light travel cannot exist for anything that has mass.

None of these facts apply to fiction. Why should "females don't have as much muscle as men"?

Read the rest of my post. Its not just that the women can't be as muscular as the men...its that no one wants to see the women as muscular as the men.

Clearly I would want to see muscular women in games or else I wouldn't be arguing like this.

 

[Gottesstrafe]

Don't mean to be sexist, but it's hard to run around in a parkour-FPS hybrid when you've got this bouncing around (for both parties now that I think about it).

 

[BigKush]

I'm sorry but unless around. 16-17% of the playerbase would;ve used the female heavy archetype it would have been a technical waste of time.

Numbers are against this due to a safe bet that less that 40% of the playerbase would use female as their primary character. (primary being the word of choice here, because it would be the one being seen most of the time, ergo most worthwhile). Considering How the numbers are stacked they made a sound business call. And they chose something that would look better on the back of a box.

Indepth customisation

GIRLS (Which both looks silly, sounds stupid AND would probably offend somebody out there)

Compared to the price of programming the actual game, designing a slightly different model for the character is pretty minuscule.

Hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngh.

You're just ignoring any facts presented to you now and are bitching for the sake of it.

And that's why none of you are f***king video game characters.

 

[Rienimportant]

I mean, it's a disappointment in general, but I've never really understood why people wanted so much vanity customization in shooter games (note, I mean online multiplayer, single player rpgs- is mass effect a shooter or rps or both? should have some customization I think) I mean, I like a bit of personalization, my own guns, but if the avatar isn't really something I'm seeing much, I dunno. Wasn't ever my thing.

But yes they should have had female avatars. It's just a nice touch. Put it in a patch haha?

 

[123qqq]

Because men and women aren't the same, neither physically or psychologically and that is a fact. A woman cannot sustain the same level of combat a man can over a long period of time. That is why you never see a lot of women in one army unit fighting on the front lines and why there is no female only combat unit. Simply put, it's a man's job. Also, its a game. Who cares? Why are you worrying yourself and wasting mental energy on something so insignificant meaningless?

 

[Duskflamer]

Don't mean to be sexist, but it's hard to run around in a parkour-FPS hybrid when you've got this bouncing around (for both parties now that I think about it).

Never heard of Mirror's Edge have you?

 

[rsvp42]

Compared to the price of programming the actual game, designing a slightly different model for the character is pretty minuscule.

To do it right, they couldn't just blendshape the male bodies into females. It would require nearly twice as much design, modeling, texturing, rigging, and production time, not only for the characters themselves, but for the different gear and outfits, not to mention changing the animation to fit the female models. It really would constitute a significant development cost and for something that doesn't improve actual gameplay, it was probably deemed too unnecessarily expensive. who knows, maybe they'll add the ladies for Brink 2 if this does well.

 

[Atheist.]

Any game that offers even the most basic of character customization options, but does not include the option to select your gender, is immediately ignored by me. That's why I have not and will not play the Gothic series.

That's not a very good example. You can't customize your character at all in the Gothic series, aside from your stats. You're playing a specific character through most of the series. That's like complaining that you can't play as a male in Mirrors Edge. Or a female in God of War.

You're kind of robbing yourself of a good experience with this mindset, but do as you wish.

OT : It is kind of weird that they omitted the option, but it's not like this is the first game to do so.