Bullying - how far can you go to defend from it?

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Mr.Squishy

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Hey y'all, I just read an article in a magazine, and it made me think, especially since the subject was familiar, namely bullying. The article was written about a swedish small town called Rödeby, a place that's not realy rural nor urban. Long story short, the whole place had been constantly messed with by teens who went around on their mopeds and terrorized people for the lulz. Especially much had a family of four, a father, a mother, a daughter and a son, been subjected to harrassment by the same little "gang", mostly because the son, who was 18, was slightly mentally retarded. They had repeatedly driven up beside him while he was out driving his moped and tried to push him off the road, and did almost the same thing to his father, who suffers from ADHD, tourettes and a few other conditions, only they opened a door on his car while it was moving. On a crowded road.

When he heard of this, the daughter's boyfriend got mighty pissed about this and hit the leader of the gang in the head, then left before he did something drastic. The leader brought his little "gang" to the family's farm, because he didn't know who had hit him, and now they gathered outside the house, improvising striking tools they found in the family's garage, in the middle of the night. They harrassed the son on the phone and said "we're outside now", and the father woke up, and being a experienced and skilled hunter, took a shotgun with him to defend himself if necessary. A "gang"-member approached their main door. They were distracted a moment by the mother of the house pulling up into the driveway, and the father then stepped outside on the stairs. The 15-16 year old kids (all about 6 of them) turned back to face the house. The father instinctively shot the closest one in the arm, and followed up in less than a second by shooting the leader, who turned to run away in the back. He crawls to under a tree to try and hide and gather himself again. The boy who was shot in the arm attempted to run away, but the father loaded the shotgun again and chased him down and shot him dead, before breaking down in a fit of angst while the rest of the "gang" fled.

Huge discussions rose up after this, and the father admitted that he was genuinely sorry, but that he did it in self-defense. Due to his conditions, he was let go in court, although he had to pay both of the boys he shot's families.

This gang, and especially the leader, had been a special problem a very very long time and continually harrassed the family especially, but also the community as a whole. Due to being under 18 though, the police could do very little about them.

So discuss: did the father act right? How far can you go to defend yourself and your family?
 

delet

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What, they don't have Juvi there? I say the dad did what was right. Serves the pricks right.
 

Hybrid Sight

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I probably would've done the same thing. And I've gone far enough as to load a shotgun and watch the front door to defend my family.
 

Mr.Squishy

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TheNamlessGuy said:
Hooray for stupid people

And what do you mean with "due to being under 18"
If you're 18 you can be punished.
Duh.
Huh. Well, that was the police's reasoning from what I read in the article
 

ottenni

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Punching the little shit in the face was tops. But shooting them was a but far. But i can understand the mindset. i wont say an eye for an eye but go as far as they are willing to push you.
 

Tiny116

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Not trying to cause offence here but has anybody noticed the trend of under 18's being pricks and aggressive has risen since Children were given more rights?
I remember it when I was a kid, my friends would be a little shit then shout out at the person they were abusing.
"You can't do SHIT I got RIGHTS!"
they used it as an excuse to be little "Badassess"

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imahobbit4062 said:
Also, what exactly does this have to do with Games...?
GTA???
 

Mr.Squishy

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imahobbit4062 said:
Did he act right? Fuck yes.
Bunch of wannabe gang members on Mopeds..
Also, what exactly does this have to do with Games...?
Oh crap! Posted in the wrong forum! sorry...any way I can get it moved?
 

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I would have gone to their house with the shotgun, but thats just me.

Can't stand people who think they're the top of the world.
 

Ultracake

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That father did the right thing. Perhaps those idiots have learned a life lesson for once.
 

Axeli

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I'm all for self-defence, but shooting without warning when you already would have the upper hand, let alone shooting him while he's already running away and wounded...
They would have had firing weapons for that to constitute as self-defence.
 

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Once he had shot them that was far enough! He hit the boy in the arm, shooting again to kill was beyond defence (two shot teenagers are going to run off, not stand and fight) They were young and they were wrong but a death sentence? No!
 

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Douk said:
I would have gone to their house with the shotgun, but thats just me.

Can't stand people who think they're the top of the world.
Wait a sec, are you talking about the teens bringing a shotgun, or the father going to the teen's house with his shotgun?

OT - If a group of individuals has congregated on your property armed and you feel threatened for your and/or your family's life, you have the right to use deadly force to defend yourself. Does that mean you can shoot fleeing individuals in the back, well, I'd have to argue no, but still, it's easy to say and very hard to do given it would be hard for me to NOT shoot someone in the back in said circumstances.
 

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Ultracake said:
That father did the right thing. Perhaps those idiots have learned a life lesson for once.
Lesson for life? How, when one of them is dead? That isn't teaching a life lesson, that is executing someone for bullying!
 

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Jenova65 said:
Ultracake said:
That father did the right thing. Perhaps those idiots have learned a life lesson for once.
Lesson for life? How, when one of them is dead? That isn't teaching a life lesson, that is executing someone for bullying!
Though I don't believe he should have hunted down the teen he killed, they were way past the point of bullying when they were on his property with weapons. That is intent to do harm.
 

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Jenova65 said:
Ultracake said:
That father did the right thing. Perhaps those idiots have learned a life lesson for once.
Lesson for life? How, when one of them is dead? That isn't teaching a life lesson, that is executing someone for bullying!
It's a guy that has terrorized your family for the longest time, and then he shows up at your house to take revenge on you. You think you might want to defend yourself?

He didn't need to execute the kid, he should have restrained him after the first shot and called the cops. But as a hunter and gun owner, if people show up on my property that I know are hostile to me, I would do just what this guy did.
 

Jenova65

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Borrowed Time said:
Jenova65 said:
Ultracake said:
That father did the right thing. Perhaps those idiots have learned a life lesson for once.
Lesson for life? How, when one of them is dead? That isn't teaching a life lesson, that is executing someone for bullying!
Though I don't believe he should have hunted down the teen he killed, they were way past the point of bullying when they were on his property with weapons. That is intent to do harm.
Dead! A 15/16 year old is dead! He was already avenged when he shot the child in the arm, surely? That is my point.
ElTigreSantiago said:
Jenova65 said:
Ultracake said:
That father did the right thing. Perhaps those idiots have learned a life lesson for once.
Lesson for life? How, when one of them is dead? That isn't teaching a life lesson, that is executing someone for bullying!
It's a guy that has terrorized your family for the longest time, and then he shows up at your house to take revenge on you. You think you might want to defend yourself?

He didn't need to execute the kid, he should have restrained him after the first shot and called the cops. But as a hunter and gun owner, if people show up on my property that I know are hostile to me, I would do just what this guy did.
That again is my point, the first shot was at the very least, enough. A child is dead. The child might have been an asshole, but death? Community service or boot camp would have been suitable, not death.