Bullying - how far can you go to defend from it?

[omega 616]

Once he had shot them that was far enough! He hit the boy in the arm, shooting again to kill was beyond defence (two shot teenagers are going to run off, not stand and fight) They were young and they were wrong but a death sentence? No!

You have to remember the dad had psychological problems aswell, such as ADHD which, from what I understand, makes you go too far sometimes.

I know (and I have known quite a few people who suffer from it too) but as long as you take your meds that shouldn't make any difference. BUT again, when he followed the boy to shoot again he went from to defending his family to pure revenge. FACT!

No body will really miss the person who died (maybe his family but if he is scum, I am certain his family is so who cares about scum, he would never contribute to the community or the government) and the dad made an example out of him so maybe he "saved" the town/village from these wannabe gangsters.

If they wanted to be gangsters they would have to face the fact that gangster die, so that short sharp slap might have been the thing that stopped them from being fully fledged gangsters.

 

[AWAR]

Did he act right? Fuck yes.
Bunch of wannabe gang members on Mopeds..
Also, what exactly does this have to do with Games...?

I see a mother crying over her sons grave....

If you expect me to feel sympathy for her, you're in the wrong place.
I didn't feel a thing when I saw the Haiti stories on the news, or the Black Saturday Bushfires, Or the Bali bombings, or 9/11...
See a pattern here?

Oh yeah you are an emotionless robot! You rock dude!You are so cool and stuff!

Wow, put a bandage on that bleeding heart of yours. The dumb gang member died because he happened to get his badass bluff called by someone who can fight back. You prey on the weak long enough, the weak get people with big sticks to defend themselves. Just like Columbine, don't EVEN ask me to feel bad to the sorry sacks of shit who brought it on themselves. I'm actually gonna drink to this idiot's death.

Shooting and KILLING an Unarmed 15 year old who just happens to be this way because society TREATED him exactly the same, doesnt make you right.

He came to the house with the clear and full intent on causing problems. He, if he had any intelligence to speak of, should have realized that if anyone was there, retaliation would occur. Plus, not every gang member is a story of personal tragedy, some of them just enjoy getting into trouble. Finally, must understand one of the basic concepts of the universe, there is NO absolute right and wrong, only subjective definitions. Morality is nothing but an illusion, an opinion, a "goodguy badge" as Lavey would put it, so it's in VERY bad taste to even bring it up, all there is in the world is cause and effect.

Dont bring morality and Laveyism here.Im pretty damn sure what morality is and isnt.
Im just being logical here.Most if not all, most bullies would have come this far because they were treated like shit from society or parents.I dont point out the trouble they caused, i only mention the shooting. And by all means it is WRONG not only because of morality reasons but because it is an anti-humane and antisocial act.In order to survive we humans relied on each other we never were lone wolves despite what modern pseudo-philosophers tell you our best way to stay alive in this planet is to rely and understand each other, not get into fights and eventually wiping each other out.That reminds me of old Cretan families blood feuds.Im getting a little off topic here but its ok.
On the long run i believe just shooting in the air would make every 15 year old piss they pants and run like crazy.Injuring and then KILLING a 15 year old is just a savage display of cruelty.I bet the father did that because of his own mental problems and i feel sorry for him.

 

[electric discordian]

I know from bitter experience that "children" can be bitter brutal feral pack animals who think nothing of consequence or the human rights of their victims. Like any rabid animal it must be the responsibility of society to put them down.

Parents have a responsibility to stop there monsters spilling out into the world if they don't they should expect to lose them. No if's no buts no maybes.

I am now 32, the memory of the whiplash, broken arm, broken leg and 3 cracked ribs haunt me to this day I sustained these injuries at school nearly 20 years ago. Violence does not scare me, I will charge head first into any situation to help anyone. I hasn't made me nervous for myself just angry whenever I hear about people doing this to the kids around me.

That's why I will never be a parent, it would lead to murder.

 

[Music Mole]

I don't know the self defense laws in Sweden but in the US you have to feel that there is a "clear and present danger to yourself or others." being phycological tortured has been used before in American courts to justify killing the people who were doing the torturing.

I'm not from the US (or Sweden) and this sounds really weird to me. I think bullying is not very severely punished by the (hopefully wise, impartial, independent, government-sanctioned) courts. However, if what you say is true then it is apparently fine for any victim to take the role of jury, judge and executioner and get away with it. That's just weird.

I can understand the part about defending yourself from clear and present danger, but to get back to the topic of this thread: after the first shot (in the kid's arm) it seemed like all danger was averted and it became all about retribution.

Casting holy shield: Holy shield hits for 10,000 critical damage.
I don't apologize for the wow joke.
I agree with Jordi in every sense.

 

[Zersy]

He should have used a Machine gun instead.

Then Corpse Hump with Matrydom on just in case.

 

[Jenova65]

Once he had shot them that was far enough! He hit the boy in the arm, shooting again to kill was beyond defence (two shot teenagers are going to run off, not stand and fight) They were young and they were wrong but a death sentence? No!

You have to remember the dad had psychological problems aswell, such as ADHD which, from what I understand, makes you go too far sometimes.

I know (and I have known quite a few people who suffer from it too) but as long as you take your meds that shouldn't make any difference. BUT again, when he followed the boy to shoot again he went from to defending his family to pure revenge. FACT!

No body will really miss the person who died (maybe his family but if he is scum, I am certain his family is so who cares about scum, he would never contribute to the community or the government) and the dad made an example out of him so maybe he "saved" the town/village from these wannabe gangsters.

If they wanted to be gangsters they would have to face the fact that gangster die, so that short sharp slap might have been the thing that stopped them from being fully fledged gangsters.

I'm through with this thread, the way it is quantifying a life is leaving a nasty taste in the mouth!

 

[omega 616]

I'm through with this thread, the way it is quantifying a life is leaving a nasty taste in the mouth!

The kid was already terrorizing people, do you really think he was going to grow up to contribute to anything other than suffering?

Millions of people die every year, all of them much better people than this kid.

Humanity would be alot better if more people like this died and you can't say that isn't true.

 

[EittilDratsab]

I think that though murder was most definitely going too far, the father's actions were totally justifiable. After all, these are teens who have been harassing and driving this family to the edge. I'm not saying that we should shoot every bully who decides to be an asshole. I'm saying that if I were in the father's shoes, I probably would have shot some teenagers. Most people in his predicament probably would have done the same thing.

 

[Jenova65]

I'm through with this thread, the way it is quantifying a life is leaving a nasty taste in the mouth!

The kid was already terrorizing people, do you really think he was going to grow up to contribute to anything other than suffering?

Millions of people die every year, all of them much better people than this kid.

Humanity would be alot better if more people like this died and you can't say that isn't true.

'I', wouldn't say anything as I do not choose to set myself up as judge, jury and executioner!

 

[omega 616]

I'm through with this thread, the way it is quantifying a life is leaving a nasty taste in the mouth!

The kid was already terrorizing people, do you really think he was going to grow up to contribute to anything other than suffering?

Millions of people die every year, all of them much better people than this kid.

Humanity would be alot better if more people like this died and you can't say that isn't true.

'I', wouldn't say anything as I do not choose to set myself up as judge, jury and executioner!

Just judge and jury, I am not going to jail for them.

 

[kaziard]

the only problem i have is that he shot them in the back, if they had actually been coming towards him id understand but that one fact bothers me a lot

 

[Cyanin]

I'd kill anyone who threatens my family. No remorse, no regret. 'Nuff said.

big man here. you gansta' enuf playa?

So, you're saying if you felt your family's lives were in danger and, let's say, you called the police, but you knew it would take them time to get there, you wouldn't do whatever was necessary to protect them?

Damn, I hope you never have a family of your own.

your saying the best way to respond to that was to walk outside and murder and maim two children?

there is literally no end of alternative possibilities. a good one might have been a warning shot into the air, if you honestly believe that firearms are the only way to respond to a crisis. has it not occured to you this problem was allowed to devolp to a rather extreme point?? couldn't there have been some form of intervention earlier???

I think the point you need to take further into consideration is that the father was not fully in control of his actions. He was broken through stress and fear, and suffers from mental conditions, whatever 'should have' been done wasn't and should not have been expected from him whatsoever.
Those teenagers knew every day what they did and i wouldn't be surprised if they knew him and his son had mental conditions. This makes them nothing more than malicious little bastards, which knocks them down into sub-human to me, because clearly they didn't understand how we people would react to their actions.