Bullying - how far can you go to defend from it?

[HotFezz8]

I'd kill anyone who threatens my family. No remorse, no regret. 'Nuff said.

big man here. you gansta' enuf playa?

So, you're saying if you felt your family's lives were in danger and, let's say, you called the police, but you knew it would take them time to get there, you wouldn't do whatever was necessary to protect them?

Damn, I hope you never have a family of your own.

your saying the best way to respond to that was to walk outside and murder and maim two children?

there is literally no end of alternative possibilities. a good one might have been a warning shot into the air, if you honestly believe that firearms are the only way to respond to a crisis. has it not occured to you this problem was allowed to devolp to a rather extreme point?? couldn't there have been some form of intervention earlier???

Again, They are not fucking children.

they are fucking 15! a 15 year old is NOT a adult. and for christ sake you can't expect to treat them as adults. a adult has the ability to think rationally about their actions and see the consequences.

and ok, lets say your right and assume these people can be treated as adults for the level of sadism they displayed. SHOOTING THEM WITH A SHOTGUN TWICE is a APPROPIATE response????? what fucking planet do you live on??? do they cut the hands off thieves in your country??? what the fuck else would you shoot people for? cutting in front of your car???

you are advocating first degree, cold blooded, premeditated, absoloutely uncalled for FUCKING MURDER.

 

[B Goy]

Well I guess that incident was the straw that broke the camels back

 

[Jenova65]

Once he had shot them that was far enough! He hit the boy in the arm, shooting again to kill was beyond defence (two shot teenagers are going to run off, not stand and fight) They were young and they were wrong but a death sentence? No!

You have to remember the dad had psychological problems aswell, such as ADHD which, from what I understand, makes you go too far sometimes.

I know (and I have known quite a few people who suffer from it too) but as long as you take your meds that shouldn't make any difference. BUT again, when he followed the boy to shoot again he went from to defending his family to pure revenge. FACT!

 

[Jenova65]

That father did the right thing. Perhaps those idiots have learned a life lesson for once.

Lesson for life? How, when one of them is dead? That isn't teaching a life lesson, that is executing someone for bullying!

Though I don't believe he should have hunted down the teen he killed, they were way past the point of bullying when they were on his property with weapons. That is intent to do harm.

Dead! A 15/16 year old is dead! He was already avenged when he shot the child in the arm, surely? That is my point.

That father did the right thing. Perhaps those idiots have learned a life lesson for once.

Lesson for life? How, when one of them is dead? That isn't teaching a life lesson, that is executing someone for bullying!

It's a guy that has terrorized your family for the longest time, and then he shows up at your house to take revenge on you. You think you might want to defend yourself?

He didn't need to execute the kid, he should have restrained him after the first shot and called the cops. But as a hunter and gun owner, if people show up on my property that I know are hostile to me, I would do just what this guy did.

That again is my point, the first shot was at the very least, enough. A child is dead. The child might have been an asshole, but death? Community service or boot camp would have been suitable, not death.

15 Year olds are still kids?
Teenagers are very different from Children, He was a teenager, He was a **** nugget, He got what he deserved.

He was a child, and you do not know what his background was maybe he went home after school and got beaten by his dad, maybe he didn't, however by your standards - Bullying = death sentence, I respectfully disagree with you! Many teens are assholes, and go on to be better adults and make right the things they did when they were young!

No, but approaching someone's home with intention to enter and cause potentially lethal harm to the occupants is more than just cause to defend with lethal force, especially considering it was 6 armed young men versus ONE.

I realise that, do you think they had murder on their minds? I don't, I think they thought they would rough them up as payback for what happened when one them got punched (not right, but not murder)
But everything else is conjecture anyway, THE point is, the first shot that hit the arm and caused the boy to attempt to flee was enough. Not (for the last time) DEATH! That boy is dead, how many people are really 'getting', this. And suppose, just for a minute that he was just off the rails and his parents are decent law abiding individuals, do they deserve a life sentence living without their child?

My perception is your reality. It doesn't matter what you intend to do, it matters what I perceive your motives to be.

I will try again....
BUT again, when he followed the boy to shoot again he went from to defending his family to pure revenge. FACT!

 

[HotFezz8]

I'd kill anyone who threatens my family. No remorse, no regret. 'Nuff said.

big man here. you gansta' enuf playa?

So, you're saying if you felt your family's lives were in danger and, let's say, you called the police, but you knew it would take them time to get there, you wouldn't do whatever was necessary to protect them?

Damn, I hope you never have a family of your own.

your saying the best way to respond to that was to walk outside and murder and maim two children?

there is literally no end of alternative possibilities. a good one might have been a warning shot into the air, if you honestly believe that firearms are the only way to respond to a crisis. has it not occured to you this problem was allowed to devolp to a rather extreme point?? couldn't there have been some form of intervention earlier???

Again, They are not fucking children.

they are fucking 15! a 15 year old is NOT a adult. and for christ sake you can't expect to treat them as adults. a adult has the ability to think rationally about their actions and see the consequences.

and ok, lets say your right and assume these people can be treated as adults for the level of sadism they displayed. SHOOTING THEM WITH A SHOTGUN TWICE is a APPROPIATE response????? what fucking planet do you live on??? do they cut the hands off thieves in your country??? what the fuck else would you shoot people for? cutting in front of your car???

you are advocating first degree, cold blooded, premeditated, absoloutely uncalled for FUCKING MURDER.

Did I say they should be treated as adults? No, they are not adults or children, they are Teenagers, some of the stupidest people on the planet. If you bothered reading all the pages you would have seen I have pointed this out many times.
They harassed the family for months, the stole striking tools from the family garage and were threating them. What would you do? Sit back and relax? Or wait for the cops who will only let them off with a warning?
The father killed the teen so that this sort of shit would never happen again. Knowing teens these days they would've regrouped and return more prepared for some Mentally Challenged Hunter with a shotgun.
He decided to finally end it, and good on him.
If some teenage fucknut is going to harass my family, steal my tools and then threaten me on my own property. I am going to kill them. End of story.

if you honestly believe murder is the best response then your the sort of red neck fuckwit who should at all costs be kept away from firearms.

 

[Soxafloppin]

What, they don't have Juvi there? I say the dad did what was right. Serves the pricks right.

Im fairly sure that only america has that, they deffo dont have it in the U.K, which is why its filled with so many scummy jobless tracksuit wearing wastes of skin.

OT: This guy shouldnt of been punished at all, IMO.

 

[HotFezz8]

I'd kill anyone who threatens my family. No remorse, no regret. 'Nuff said.

big man here. you gansta' enuf playa?

So, you're saying if you felt your family's lives were in danger and, let's say, you called the police, but you knew it would take them time to get there, you wouldn't do whatever was necessary to protect them?

Damn, I hope you never have a family of your own.

your saying the best way to respond to that was to walk outside and murder and maim two children?

there is literally no end of alternative possibilities. a good one might have been a warning shot into the air, if you honestly believe that firearms are the only way to respond to a crisis. has it not occured to you this problem was allowed to devolp to a rather extreme point?? couldn't there have been some form of intervention earlier???

Again, They are not fucking children.

they are fucking 15! a 15 year old is NOT a adult. and for christ sake you can't expect to treat them as adults. a adult has the ability to think rationally about their actions and see the consequences.

and ok, lets say your right and assume these people can be treated as adults for the level of sadism they displayed. SHOOTING THEM WITH A SHOTGUN TWICE is a APPROPIATE response????? what fucking planet do you live on??? do they cut the hands off thieves in your country??? what the fuck else would you shoot people for? cutting in front of your car???

you are advocating first degree, cold blooded, premeditated, absoloutely uncalled for FUCKING MURDER.

Did I say they should be treated as adults? No, they are not adults or children, they are Teenagers, some of the stupidest people on the planet. If you bothered reading all the pages you would have seen I have pointed this out many times.
They harassed the family for months, the stole striking tools from the family garage and were threating them. What would you do? Sit back and relax? Or wait for the cops who will only let them off with a warning?
The father killed the teen so that this sort of shit would never happen again. Knowing teens these days they would've regrouped and return more prepared for some Mentally Challenged Hunter with a shotgun.
He decided to finally end it, and good on him.
If some teenage fucknut is going to harass my family, steal my tools and then threaten me on my own property. I am going to kill them. End of story.

if you honestly believe murder is the best response then your the sort of red neck fuckwit who should at all costs be kept away from firearms.

Great response, instead of actually giving discussion you call me a Red Neck Fuckwit.
Nice job.
I repeat, for the 100th time.
The teen constantly harassed the family because they were mentally challenged. They steal the families tools and were threating them with them on their own property.
The teen was a prick, and deserved what he got.
If you're going to reply, atleast make it civil. Calling me a "Red neck fuckwit" doesn't help you at all.

for god's sake everytime i look at the inbox now i'm getting you spouting the same argument at me verbatim, so before i loose all semibilance of civilty (i do actually apolgise for the redneck fuckwit thing) lets just say this:

we won't agree.

we have different ideas about:

a) the value of human life.

b) the point at which a intervention should have been made.

c) (this is me guessing from what you have said) the right of people to own firearms.

lets stop talking about this shit now please.

 

[AWAR]

Did he act right? Fuck yes.
Bunch of wannabe gang members on Mopeds..
Also, what exactly does this have to do with Games...?

I see a mother crying over her sons grave....

 

[AWAR]

Did he act right? Fuck yes.
Bunch of wannabe gang members on Mopeds..
Also, what exactly does this have to do with Games...?

I see a mother crying over her sons grave....

If you expect me to feel sympathy for her, you're in the wrong place.
I didn't feel a thing when I saw the Haiti stories on the news, or the Black Saturday Bushfires, Or the Bali bombings, or 9/11...
See a pattern here?

Oh yeah you are an emotionless robot! You rock dude!You are so cool and stuff!

 

[AWAR]

Did he act right? Fuck yes.
Bunch of wannabe gang members on Mopeds..
Also, what exactly does this have to do with Games...?

I see a mother crying over her sons grave....

If you expect me to feel sympathy for her, you're in the wrong place.
I didn't feel a thing when I saw the Haiti stories on the news, or the Black Saturday Bushfires, Or the Bali bombings, or 9/11...
See a pattern here?

Oh yeah you are an emotionless robot! You rock dude!You are so cool and stuff!

Wow, put a bandage on that bleeding heart of yours. The dumb gang member died because he happened to get his badass bluff called by someone who can fight back. You prey on the weak long enough, the weak get people with big sticks to defend themselves. Just like Columbine, don't EVEN ask me to feel bad to the sorry sacks of shit who brought it on themselves. I'm actually gonna drink to this idiot's death.

Shooting and KILLING an Unarmed 15 year old who just happens to be this way because society TREATED him exactly the same, doesnt make you right.