Bullying - how far can you go to defend from it?

[omega 616]

Once he had shot them that was far enough! He hit the boy in the arm, shooting again to kill was beyond defence (two shot teenagers are going to run off, not stand and fight) They were young and they were wrong but a death sentence? No!

You have to remember the dad had psychological problems aswell, such as ADHD which, from what I understand, makes you go too far sometimes.

 

[Thyunda]

I've not read pages 2-4, so I don't know if someone shares my view, but the way I see it, he did the right thing.

Going to their houses is one thing, but they were at his house. These people terrorise him for a long time, then when someone tries to do something about it, they want to take their revenge.
I think the father shot when the mother pulled into the drive, because she'd be in the danger zone. That's one thing you have to remember. The rest of the family were indoors, behind the shotgun. His wife was outside, and the mob was between him and her. That'll be why he fired the first shot. As for chasing down and killing one of them, I wouldn't entirely blame him.
He lost control. You hit that first time, you'll not be able to stop yourself hitting a second. I think he's to be respected for not hunting the rest of the gang, and making himself defenceless in his 'fit of angst'.

Not only will those particular kids never bully again, the gang I mean, this will have sent a clear message to every teenager who thinks he's God.
People aren't going to tolerate your shit. Somebody's always got a bigger claim to the neighbourhood than you.

 

[orangebandguy]

The gang members deserved everything they got.

And considering the mental condition of the father it makes it much easier to push him that extra mile.

 

[Boneasse]

I'd kill anyone who threatens my family. No remorse, no regret. 'Nuff said.

 

[HotFezz8]

firstly, this isn't bullying, its harrasment, which is a whole different kettle of fish.

and secondly yeah. yeah its ok. a 40 year hunter with (presumably) a lot of skill and experience shoots a 16 year old, RELOADS, then shoots him again in the chest.

yeah that is totally justifiable.

what the fuck are the courts thinking??? murder is fucking MURDER and in my view the perpetrator should also loose his life for commiting it.

p.s. harrasment should be (and is in england) a crime, punishable by jail time. but bullying is laughing and mocknig someone in the playground for saying or doing something stupid or being a tit. thats (again in my view) if not a force for good for children and indeed adults then at least preparing them for adult life. people shouldn't live their life (or at least expect to live it) in bubble wrap.

 

[HotFezz8]

Don't think so, No biggie though. It's good discussion.

Er... yes it can.

Did he act right? Fuck yes.
Bunch of wannabe gang members on Mopeds..
Also, what exactly does this have to do with Games...?

Oh crap! Posted in the wrong forum! sorry...any way I can get it moved?

PM a moderator to shift it for you.

OT : His house was under attack from numerous armed and violent youths who presented an immediate threat to him, his family and his property, this following a long-term harassment and minor violence campaign against him and his family specifically.

Not only was he within his rights, I'm sad he didn't shoot some more of the little pricks.

NOTE : Not kill, that would be too far. I agree that the second shot was unnecessary and even these bastards don't deserve death, however I heartily support scaring them shitless with a little buckshot.

Plus - HE HAD TO FUCKING PAY THE FAMILIES??!! Are you fucking kidding me? His house was under attack from a group of armed and violent people who had spent a long time "bullying" him. That's a bullshit decision right there. None of the kids should have died, however there is no way in hell that their families deserve any compensation for this. He was defending his property and family, and if anybody should be fined it should be their families for doing sweet fuck all to stop these little shits.

hey you know what would be a better idea?? follow them all to their houses and not just kill them, but their family! oh and we can torture them first! yeah what a brilliant idea.

you want these "little shits" killed?? are you serious?? aren't we missing the "call the police" option?? there is nothing that EVER justifies murder unless the person themself has killed someone. i.e. reprocial punishment.

these kids were riding around on mopeds feeling big about themselves. they deserved jail time to wake them up, not a shotgun blast to the chest.

p.s. he had to PAY them?? he should be spending the next 20 years breaking rocks, or the last 20 seconds getting 100,000 volts!! he MURDERED someone. not killed in the heat of emotion, he went into his house, got his fire arm, loaded it, went outside, aimed, shot, reloaded and then MURDERED someone.

 

[Keepitclean]

From the information in the OP I guess we could say that they deserved it.

 

[HotFezz8]

Let's make the victim pay! That's the way to do it! Who cares that those assholes organized a fucking campaign against his family which almost ended up in them being potentially badly hurt! All that matters is that he killed one of the little shits who was not even a productive member of society.

The thing is though, it may be seen as alright to shoot once, but this isn't an action hero, he's a father with a mental condition and a group of assholes.
His reaction wasn't right but it should've been expected. Like kicking a sleeping bear, understandably, it's probably going to attack, but it's not right for it do so. Those kids should've realised that when people are put under that pressure they will explode, and it's their own stupidity that put them in that situation.

I'd kill anyone who threatens my family. No remorse, no regret. 'Nuff said.

big man here. you gansta' enuf playa?

Not only will those particular kids never bully again, the gang I mean, this will have sent a clear message to every teenager who thinks he's God.
People aren't going to tolerate your shit. Somebody's always got a bigger claim to the neighbourhood than you.

The gang actually attacked/harassed the family another time after the incident.

this is ridiculous. lets everyone put ourselves in the shoes of these bullies. what are you going to do now? now this 40 year old prick has murdered your mate? think carefully, because my reaction would be to get my own gun (who brings a knife to a gunfight?) and fire bomb his house. then murder him whilst he runs out.

fair? probably not.
correct? don't be so fucking stupid.
liable to happen? very possible.
avoidable? abosoloutely.

why didn't the father call the POLICE?!?!?!?!?!?!

frankly if this bloke is shot in the street by some now psychotic teenager how many people will it surprise?

 

[Boneasse]

I'd kill anyone who threatens my family. No remorse, no regret. 'Nuff said.

big man here. you gansta' enuf playa?

So, you're saying if you felt your family's lives were in danger and, let's say, you called the police, but you knew it would take them time to get there, you wouldn't do whatever was necessary to protect them?

Damn, I hope you never have a family of your own.

 

[Octorok]

Snip

I suggest that you reread my post and try to not skip the part where I say things like "Not kill" and "he didn't deserve to die". I said shoot. The other gang members seem to have vanished and were just as big a threat as the first two and it would have been better if they had been apprehended as well, and I reckon a wound from a shotgun would probably do the trick.

Taking a second shot was unnecessary but understandable as the kid was escaping the scene.

 

[KoolKomedian]

Umm, is it just me or did anyone else picture the dad as Liam Neeson?

 

[Bat Vader]

I hate to say it but I think they pry deserved it (I hate bullying). I mean they did try to force the dad and son off the road numerous times which could have resulted in death. They just got a taste of their own medicine.

Hopefully, this will teach them not to do this stuff again.

this is ridiculous. lets everyone put ourselves in the shoes of these bullies. what are you going to do now? now this 40 year old prick has murdered your mate?

If I was them I would quit harassing people for fear of getting killed. Besides, if I really wanted to make someone suffer for them murdering someone I liked I would call the cops on them and hope they rot in prison the rest of their life.

But seeing as how the bullies pretty much deserved this I stand by what the father did. A bit harsh and unnecessary but it shows that he does not want his family hurt. Plus, I imagine these bullies will most likely end up getting killed or rotting in prison.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

this is ridiculous. lets everyone put ourselves in the shoes of these bullies. what are you going to do now? now this 40 year old prick has murdered your mate? think carefully, because my reaction would be to get my own gun (who brings a knife to a gunfight?) and fire bomb his house. then murder him whilst he runs out.

fair? probably not.
correct? don't be so fucking stupid.
liable to happen? very possible.
avoidable? abosoloutely.

why didn't the father call the POLICE?!?!?!?!?!?!

frankly if this bloke is shot in the street by some now psychotic teenager how many people will it surprise?

Why didn't he call the police? Because it would've probably taken ages for them to get there and in the time they arrived those assholes would have probably killed someone and done some damage to the mans house (You know, having weapons and going as far as to almost kill one of the members of the family).

Fair? Totally. They harassed a village and almost killed someone. They got what they deserved.
Correct? Extremely.
Avoidable? No.

What are those punks thinking of right now? "Holy shit, man, holy shit. We went to far, he's dead for fucks sake."

 

[HotFezz8]

I'd kill anyone who threatens my family. No remorse, no regret. 'Nuff said.

big man here. you gansta' enuf playa?

So, you're saying if you felt your family's lives were in danger and, let's say, you called the police, but you knew it would take them time to get there, you wouldn't do whatever was necessary to protect them?

Damn, I hope you never have a family of your own.

your saying the best way to respond to that was to walk outside and murder and maim two children?

there is literally no end of alternative possibilities. a good one might have been a warning shot into the air, if you honestly believe that firearms are the only way to respond to a crisis. has it not occured to you this problem was allowed to devolp to a rather extreme point?? couldn't there have been some form of intervention earlier???

 

[HotFezz8]

Snip

I suggest that you reread my post and try to not skip the part where I say things like "Not kill" and "he didn't deserve to die". I said shoot. The other gang members seem to have vanished and were just as big a threat as the first two and it would have been better if they had been apprehended as well, and I reckon a wound from a shotgun would probably do the trick.

Taking a second shot was unnecessary but understandable as the kid was escaping the scene.

firstly) oops sorry, that's my bad.

secondly, its not possible to guarentee a wound with a shot gun because 1 - the human body is a massively frail easily broken thing and 2 - shotgun pellets scatter over a large area.

besides which pulling a gun without the intention of killing someone is stupid. you have to assume when he got the weapon he had the intention of killing all of them.

 

[Doug]

I would say... shooting them on this property to drive them off was self defense - when he hunted that injuried one down and killed him, that crossed into vengeance. But really, the gang was too blame for pushing them to the point of snapping like this.

 

[cameron112497]

Think about it that man had mental issues. almost had his son get killed by them. they harrassed his family multiple times. now there outside his house giving him death threats through the phone when his wife arrrives in the car not in the house and outside with the bullies. He probably thought they would murder his family loot his house and possibly go to rape. I know ill call the slow police and wait till they get here to leave the boys off with a warning.(end sarcasm) NO! Im going shoot and shoot to kill. hopefully they never come here again.

 

[GryffinDarkBreed]

That father did the right thing. Perhaps those idiots have learned a life lesson for once.

Lesson for life? How, when one of them is dead? That isn't teaching a life lesson, that is executing someone for bullying!

Though I don't believe he should have hunted down the teen he killed, they were way past the point of bullying when they were on his property with weapons. That is intent to do harm.

Dead! A 15/16 year old is dead! He was already avenged when he shot the child in the arm, surely? That is my point.

That father did the right thing. Perhaps those idiots have learned a life lesson for once.

Lesson for life? How, when one of them is dead? That isn't teaching a life lesson, that is executing someone for bullying!

It's a guy that has terrorized your family for the longest time, and then he shows up at your house to take revenge on you. You think you might want to defend yourself?

He didn't need to execute the kid, he should have restrained him after the first shot and called the cops. But as a hunter and gun owner, if people show up on my property that I know are hostile to me, I would do just what this guy did.

That again is my point, the first shot was at the very least, enough. A child is dead. The child might have been an asshole, but death? Community service or boot camp would have been suitable, not death.

15 Year olds are still kids?
Teenagers are very different from Children, He was a teenager, He was a **** nugget, He got what he deserved.

He was a child, and you do not know what his background was maybe he went home after school and got beaten by his dad, maybe he didn't, however by your standards - Bullying = death sentence, I respectfully disagree with you! Many teens are assholes, and go on to be better adults and make right the things they did when they were young!

No, but approaching someone's home with intention to enter and cause potentially lethal harm to the occupants is more than just cause to defend with lethal force, especially considering it was 6 armed young men versus ONE.

I realise that, do you think they had murder on their minds? I don't, I think they thought they would rough them up as payback for what happened when one them got punched (not right, but not murder)
But everything else is conjecture anyway, THE point is, the first shot that hit the arm and caused the boy to attempt to flee was enough. Not (for the last time) DEATH! That boy is dead, how many people are really 'getting', this. And suppose, just for a minute that he was just off the rails and his parents are decent law abiding individuals, do they deserve a life sentence living without their child?

My perception is your reality. It doesn't matter what you intend to do, it matters what I perceive your motives to be.