"But it's not natural!"

[Burningsok]

Aren't there a LOT of species that practice homosexual behaviour? So that voids that right there.

Also, for fun: Some species cannibalize their own young! So it's natural and therefore good.

But yeah, you're right. All this 'man made, unnatural' stuff is all from 'natural' products at some point, just altered by process developed by manipulating...nature!

Correct

also, I do know there are a few elements that have only been made by humans, and so far have not found any of them naturally. It's on the periodic table of coarse lol.

With homosexuality, it really is an abnormality. Our basic instincts are to survive and reproduce. Now, homosexuality isn't anything for people to be afraid of. Yes it's abnormal, but it shouldn't be seen as the end of us all. It's like a disorder, but without the mental handicap. Personally, I see it as much a big of a deal as someone with ADD or nearsightedness.
It's nothing to worry about.

Bit random lol.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

**snip**

You summed that up very well. Um... yeah, awesome argument. I may have to use that myself sometime.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Aren't there a LOT of species that practice homosexual behaviour? So that voids that right there.

Also, for fun: Some species cannibalize their own young! So it's natural and therefore good.

But yeah, you're right. All this 'man made, unnatural' stuff is all from 'natural' products at some point, just altered by process developed by manipulating...nature!

Correct

also, I do know there are a few elements that have only been made by humans, and so far have not found any of them naturally. It's on the periodic table of coarse lol.

Those elements most likely existed somewhere, for some time, without our influence. They just can't be sustained (As far as we know).

 

[MoNKeyYy]

I think natural here reads as "normal." And, well, homosexuality isn't. That said it's still a stupid argument but there's the logic behind it, for me at least.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

With homosexuality, it really is an abnormality. Our basic instincts are to survive and reproduce. Now, homosexuality isn't anything for people to be afraid of. Yes it's abnormal, but it shouldn't be seen as the end of us all. It's like a disorder, but without the mental handicap. Personally, I see it as much a big of a deal as someone with ADD or nearsightedness.

**blinks** Um, no, it's not.

As mentioned, homosexuality occurs in nature, outside of any society. There is nothing abnormal about it, nor is it a disorder. That's the kind of crap they said 40 years ago, and it was offensive then.

Being gay is not abnormal, and it is not a disorder. Please don't say offensive things like that.

 

[Shock and Awe]

Its pretty damn impossible to really defy nature, because if your doing it then its natural, because your natural brain is letting your natural body do it. If any mechanical parts are involved our natural thoughts were the basis of making them.

 

[Ftaghn To You Too]

If it can be done, it's not against nature.

If we want to do something that we can't do by the laws of nature, well fuck nature. I'll have a robot body and a brain on the internet just to spite it.

 

[springheeljack]

yeah that argument always pisses me off
Homosexuality is a completely normal thing and there shouldn't be any stigma attached to it

 

[A Pious Cultist]

"Homosexuality isn't natural"
"You're speaking to me through fucking electricity man. THAT AINT NATURAL."

 

[godfist88]

Only that which you cannot do is unnatural. I heard a famous philosopher said something like that.

what was his name?

 

[James Joseph Emerald]

'Nature' is a brutal, horrifying, depressingly cruel system of life. Fuck it.

Besides, what's the difference between a bird building a nest, and a human building a machine gun nest? Nothing!

 

[dex-dex]

I like this video most of all when it comes to certain theroies about homosexuality

 

[godfist88]

i think it's been pretty well established by now that homosexuality is natural. it's been observed in animals so why not for humans? I think some people might respond to that by saying "but we're not animals were different". that's a dumb argument cause they're basically saying that we as a species are not natural. in that case what right do they have in telling us whats natural; and what isn't? short answer is they don't, plain and simple.

 

[witness51]

Hah! You think that's bad? I've heard people call homosexuals "sexually or reproductively defective".

 

[Arcane Azmadi]

"It's not natural."

Oh, so you eat your meat raw and sleep in a tree?

(Don't worry, I know you're only quoting them. I'm only using your post to contextualize my response.)

Also, there's the simple logical fallacy that homosexuality IS natural. They're born that way, it's not a fucking lifestyle choice. So anyone who uses the "not natural" argument is UTTERLY full of shit.

 

[y1fella]

"It's not natural."

This has been as the basis of many arguments (especially regarding homosexuality) and, for me at least, seems very hypocritical and sometimes even completely wrong (bear with me, I'll try and explain).

Humans 'defy nature' every single day, millions of people are alive who would have otherwise died if not for that pesky medical science. We fly hundreds of thousands of miles every year, what? You thought only animals with wings could fly? Poppycock! We've shown that blasted pidgeon who's boss! We grow food (plant and otherwise) in quantities far beyond what is capable in a natural environment. I'm sure many of you can offer other examples of 'defying nature'.

Now, to the other part of my argument. Everything we are and everything we will ever be is because of nature. We are never 'defying nature' because nature allowed humans to develop to a point where we can do all the things stated above, 'defying nature' would mean that we could simply ignore elements of it, which we all know is impossible. We can't ignore gravity, no matter how hard we want to. We adapt to nature, we develop the tools necessary to get around these things, which is wholly permitted by nature.

I know this argument doesn't seem particularly refined, and you're welcome to criticise my thought process where you see fit. What is your opinion on the topic of 'defying nature'?

Mind you by the argument of "it's not natural" you could justify: sodomy, rape, murder, pedophilia, genocide and much much more.
All mentioned things can be found in Nature. But that doesn't mean that it's right. Homosexuality being in nature means nothing in my mind.
neither does anything else being in nature but homosexuality was the example you used.

 

[acosn]

So long as we're staying rooted in what's "Natural"...

1: Better stop eating just about every processed, prepackaged food under the sun. They all have preservatives, and I don't mean salt.

2: Corn Syrup, it's high fructose cousin, mono-sodium Glutamate (MSG), and other food additives that are not natural. Not only are they not natural, they're chemically altered to even be "sweeter" and so on. Not that this one is a bad thing...

3: Plastics. Derived from long chain hydro-carbons removed from oil in it's refining process. It's not natural, so you should probably stop using it too.

4: Computers, electronics, and just about everything that uses electricity. They're not natural.

5: Beef, pork, horses, and other domesticated animals and their respective by-products. Cows, pigs, and horses are all the result of genetic engineering. That sounds scary and heretical, so lets call it selective breeding. Still, these are animals that have been fundamentally changed by human intervention. That's not natural, so we better stop using them.

6: Most vegetables. Corn, potatoes, carrots, and onions to name a few. All things that have been selectively bred to be more useful for humans, and also not natural.

7: Almost everything modern medicine has to offer, including but not limited to...
Vaccines
cancer treatment
anything demonstrating an understanding of viruses and bacteria. Nature intended for us to compete with everything else on a fair playing field after all.

 

[Rayne870]

"It's not natural."

This has been as the basis of many arguments (especially regarding homosexuality) and, for me at least, seems very hypocritical and sometimes even completely wrong (bear with me, I'll try and explain).

Humans 'defy nature' every single day, millions of people are alive who would have otherwise died if not for that pesky medical science. We fly hundreds of thousands of miles every year, what? You thought only animals with wings could fly? Poppycock! We've shown that blasted pidgeon who's boss! We grow food (plant and otherwise) in quantities far beyond what is capable in a natural environment. I'm sure many of you can offer other examples of 'defying nature'.

Now, to the other part of my argument. Everything we are and everything we will ever be is because of nature. We are never 'defying nature' because nature allowed humans to develop to a point where we can do all the things stated above, 'defying nature' would mean that we could simply ignore elements of it, which we all know is impossible. We can't ignore gravity, no matter how hard we want to. We adapt to nature, we develop the tools necessary to get around these things, which is wholly permitted by nature.

I know this argument doesn't seem particularly refined, and you're welcome to criticise my thought process where you see fit. What is your opinion on the topic of 'defying nature'?

As far as homosexuality goes, it's not my thing. But as far as I can figure logically it feels good to rub the bits no matter who is doing it. Seems natural.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

"It's not natural."

This has been as the basis of many arguments (especially regarding homosexuality) and, for me at least, seems very hypocritical and sometimes even completely wrong (bear with me, I'll try and explain).

Humans 'defy nature' every single day, millions of people are alive who would have otherwise died if not for that pesky medical science. We fly hundreds of thousands of miles every year, what? You thought only animals with wings could fly? Poppycock! We've shown that blasted pidgeon who's boss! We grow food (plant and otherwise) in quantities far beyond what is capable in a natural environment. I'm sure many of you can offer other examples of 'defying nature'.

Now, to the other part of my argument. Everything we are and everything we will ever be is because of nature. We are never 'defying nature' because nature allowed humans to develop to a point where we can do all the things stated above, 'defying nature' would mean that we could simply ignore elements of it, which we all know is impossible. We can't ignore gravity, no matter how hard we want to. We adapt to nature, we develop the tools necessary to get around these things, which is wholly permitted by nature.

I know this argument doesn't seem particularly refined, and you're welcome to criticise my thought process where you see fit. What is your opinion on the topic of 'defying nature'?

Mind you by the argument of "it's not natural" you could justify: sodomy, rape, murder, pedophilia, genocide and much much more.
All mentioned things can be found in Nature. But that doesn't mean that it's right. Homosexuality being in nature means nothing in my mind.
neither does anything else being in nature but homosexuality was the example you used.

Our social rules are just as much a product of nature as everything else we do. Society cannot function well if everyone is fearful for their lives, thus we create rules and laws that the vast majority of us follow. Killing people within a community harms it. Being gay doesn't.