Buying my first gun.

[jdun]

my first pistol was a classic colt detective special .38 snubnose... got it on my 8th birthday and still have it

Are you kidding me...

why? teaching firearm safety from an early age is much better than trying to teach it to an adult... I learned firearm safety and handling starting when I was 5... under supervision of course... I mean it's not like I turned 8, had never held a gun before and they just handed me a loaded pistol and said "go outside and play"

Gun Clubs teach kids as young as three years old on gun safety and shooting. There was a time in America when you can bring guns into school and store them in your locker. There was a time in America where learning how to shoot was part of the school curriculum.

 

[jdun]

How much are you willing to spend?

up to 1k,

I want a decent enough handgun to at least compensate for my in experience

In that case, definitely go with a 1911 style handgun. Trigger is damned good, especially in the more expensive examples, parts are everywhere, you can buy kits to convert them to .22 for practice shooting, they feel good in the hand, and just look damned sexy.

*Is not COMPLETELY biased, owns a Springfield XD 9mm, just likes the 1911 better.

Here is the problem. He live in Australia and like most countries in the world the .45ACP isn't common. Only in American and former colonies like the Philippians use .45ACP. With that said he can get a 1911 in 9mm.

 

[jdun]

in my opinion one should stay away from real guns in their everyday life as much as possible. Anything can happen.

What?

Someone who has done military service actually believes firearms have a will of their own?

Whoa, you guys shouldn't issue firearms to the armed forces. "Anything can happen", after all.

Maybe I didn't express myself correctly; when I say anything can happen, I'm afraid of what a man can do with a weapon in his hand, not the gun itself.

What military were you in and what branch?

 

[jdun]

Fun facts Australia has 15 privately owned firearms per 100 citizens... that's not a lot but hell Pakistan only has 11.6 and Iran has 7.3 per 100 citizens and those are rather violent places... Hell they even beat Russia which has 8.9 per 100 citizens... USA still number one in the world tho in privately owned guns with 88.8 per every 100 citizens

keep in mind tho those are PRIVATELY owned firearms... they don't include military, police or any government agency ...

just saying less guns owned by citizens doesn't really correlate that much with how violent or non-violent a country is... that's more dependent on culture...

You pretty much correct on how many guns is in the USA. The NRA said over 300 millions or one gun per US citizen. While the UN number is over 280 millions.

My opinion is that the USA has well over 300 millions firearms of all types. Firearms are very durable hardware. They can last forever if taken care off. Of course you have to replace worn out parts as it comes. Overall if you don't shoot it much and keep rust away via oil it will last forever.

Since Obama election there has been a massive amount of firearms purchases for the last three years.

http://ammo.net/obama

 

[Stu35]

so even using a stricter definition of violent crime, they still have an increase in violent crime and Britain still has more violent crime than the US.....

Untrue.

The city of Detroit alone has more violent crime than the entire United Kingdom and all overseas territory.

Once again though: I don't actually give a fuck about whether or not guns are legal. Genuinely I think it's the culture of a nation (or area) over whether or not they have access to firearms.

That in itself is not support of gun ownership either though btw.

So yeah, I'm pretty much on the fence on this.

 

[Smagmuck_]

Hey guys,

I just got back from my holiday on Hamilton island, I got to have my first real go with a few different hand guns, a Glock 9mm, SW .38, SW.357 magnum and the fabled SW .44 Magnum.

I had an absolute ball and it has convinced me to purchase my first gun.

The laws are pretty stringent here (NSW Australia) so I am thinking either a CZ75 9mm, or a SW .38 special

what do you guys think?

do any of you own any firearms or even go shooting yourselves?

http://boards.4chan.org/k/

You'd be better asking here, sport. Sure it's 4Chan, but these guys know what they're talking about in terms of firearms.

 

[jdun]

in my opinion one should stay away from real guns in their everyday life as much as possible. Anything can happen.

What?

Someone who has done military service actually believes firearms have a will of their own?

Whoa, you guys shouldn't issue firearms to the armed forces. "Anything can happen", after all.

Maybe I didn't express myself correctly; when I say anything can happen, I'm afraid of what a man can do with a weapon in his hand, not the gun itself.

hate to break it to you but I can kill you just as easy without a gun as with one... not to mention you come into contact with dozens of items in your everyday life that are just as deadly as guns if not more so the only difference is that killing isn't their primary purpose... cars kill more people a year in most countries than guns so I guess we should all avoid them to... oh oh and electricity cause electric fires and electrocution kill more people a year than guns too... cause ya know anything can happen

I don't know if the liberals were successful or not but they tried to ban knives in the UK. Apparently the prefer weapon for UK criminals to commit crimes or murders is with the use of the kitchen knives.

https://www.google.com/search?q=uk+ban+knife&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a

There was this lady and let me stress WAS that lead the banning of firearms in the UK. Making her follow citizens defenseless against criminals. Unfortunately for her she wasn't smart enough as her American counterparts.

American gun grabbers carry conceal handguns and have more than enough weapons inside their home. American gun grabber beliefs are that only they should be able to own guns. The poor, the common people, and if you're not a white super elite liberal be damn. She on the other hand decide no one should have one. IIRC, so one day a criminal came inside her home and beat her to death. She had nothing to defend herself and the killing was pretty nasty from what I remembered.

 

[jdun]

so even using a stricter definition of violent crime, they still have an increase in violent crime and Britain still has more violent crime than the US.....

Untrue.

The city of Detroit alone has more violent crime than the entire United Kingdom and all overseas territory.

Once again though: I don't actually give a fuck about whether or not guns are legal. Genuinely I think it's the culture of a nation (or area) over whether or not they have access to firearms.

That in itself is not support of gun ownership either though btw.

So yeah, I'm pretty much on the fence on this.

Keep believing that so you can feel better.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html#ixzz1n9w6z3Zd


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html

The difference is that violent criminals are lock away forever in the USA. In Europe they get release in three months.

 

[Jegsimmons]

so even using a stricter definition of violent crime, they still have an increase in violent crime and Britain still has more violent crime than the US.....

Untrue.

The city of Detroit alone has more violent crime than the entire United Kingdom and all overseas territory.

Once again though: I don't actually give a fuck about whether or not guns are legal. Genuinely I think it's the culture of a nation (or area) over whether or not they have access to firearms.

That in itself is not support of gun ownership either though btw.

So yeah, I'm pretty much on the fence on this.

a few things, Detroit is a third world city at this point, and second that is not true, America as a whole is less violent than the UK.

 

[Grant Hobba]

in my opinion one should stay away from real guns in their everyday life as much as possible. Anything can happen.

What?

Someone who has done military service actually believes firearms have a will of their own?

Whoa, you guys shouldn't issue firearms to the armed forces. "Anything can happen", after all.


@ everyone who doesn't think shooting is a legitimate activity


Watch the whole 3 minutes and tell me you don't want a bolt action rifle and a big ass farm of your own.

Go to war. Shoot someone. GET SHOT.
Then come back and tell me about how we need more guns in our life. DO IT.

Most irrational and illogical post I have seen in the Escapist. And usually the Escapist has a lot of them.

I think his creepy uncle missed the point and molested him with the gun.

 

[Stu35]

so even using a stricter definition of violent crime, they still have an increase in violent crime and Britain still has more violent crime than the US.....

Untrue.

The city of Detroit alone has more violent crime than the entire United Kingdom and all overseas territory.

Once again though: I don't actually give a fuck about whether or not guns are legal. Genuinely I think it's the culture of a nation (or area) over whether or not they have access to firearms.

That in itself is not support of gun ownership either though btw.

So yeah, I'm pretty much on the fence on this.

Keep believing that so you can feel better.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html#ixzz1n9w6z3Zd


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html

The difference is that violent criminals are lock away forever in the USA. In Europe they get release in three months.

Daily mail as your soure= argument immediately discredited.

Keep believing that so you can feel better.

Cheers, and you continue to believe that America is a wonderland, with no crime, where nobody ever dies except criminals. Except there aren't criminals, because you lock them up for life. And that has stopped all crime ever.


Britain has violent crime, yes. We're probably the most violent country in Europe, yes, we're also the least progressive and most "Americanised" when it comes to the "lock 'em up and throw away the key" approach.

Coincidence? Possibly. Who cares?

For what it's worth I think our police should have guns, and be given a lot more leeway when making arrests - at present our criminals can get all sorts of payouts if they're injured whilst being arrested, which is utterly ridiculous (means they can resist arrest as violently as they want, knowing that if they're hurt in the process of being restrained they'll get a hefty payout).

a few things, Detroit is a third world city at this point, and second that is not true, America as a whole is less violent than the UK.

Simply not true.

You can't have one city of 5 million more violent than our entire country (and all it's overseas territories) and then try to claim that the country "as a whole" is less violent. "as a whole" includes the violent parts.

In any case, even if taken "As a whole" - http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2009/oct/13/homicide-rates-country-murder-data

Americas homicide per capita in 2004 - 5.9
Britains homicide per capita in 2004 - 1.6

Homicide is a good example I think, because unlike "violent crime" it's generally more universally defined.

If we get to discount violent areas, then we can discount Glasgow and London and all of a sudden our violent crime drops significantly.

 

[dslatch]

To use (canadian) government terms i've fired many long guns (rifles/shotguns) but never a restricted (weapons with barrel shorter then 6" i think)

Many of gods smallest and cutest creatures have died from my hand also 1 time a microwave and a mattress.

 

[TotalerKrieger]

It's probably due to availability. Also, that is a pretty broad statement to make without any qualifiers. The way it's stated you're saying that no other calibre in any and all situations globally (including wars etc.) in all of history has killed as many people.

Yea, if you are including wars...i'd say 7.62x54R or 8mm Mauser, maybe 7.62x39, takes the "cake" of causing the most deaths.

 

[senordesol]

Americas homicide per capita in 2004 - 5.9
Britains homicide per capita in 2004 - 1.6

Homicide is a good example I think, because unlike "violent crime" it's generally more universally defined.

Context is important

US HPC in 1979: 9.8, in 2009 (When Obama took office and gun sales soared): 5.0, in 2010: 4.8

In UK in 2010 is 1.17, which is impressive but not much movement from 1.71 in 2000

The fact is: Homicides have been steadily declining in the US and have been for decades.

Alternately, Mexico's HPC (where civilian-owned firearms are heavily regulated) was 14 in 2000 (before FAF) and 15 in 2010, and Russia matches them (in 2010).

Also Switzerland (They hate this example) saw its PEAK in the first decade 2K at 1.19, and at 2010 is at 0.66

Finally Israel (Who seems to be getting into a fight with Palestine every other week and requires all able bodies to serve in the IDF) saw it's 1D peak in 2002 at 3.6

In short: That guns exist in a country matters a hell of a lot less than who has them.

 

[Grant Hobba]

Get a water gun, the only type of gun worth getting. Seriously, why on Earth do you want a gun?

Really? Am I sensing the, "Guns are evil," mentality here? It certainly seems that way.

Obviously the OP would disagree with you here, and it appears many others on this thread would too. Why would anyone want a gun? The answer is quite simple. Shooting is, in fact, quite a lot of fun! Not only is shooting a competative sport, it is also sometimes necessary to own a firearm to control populations of dangerous/damaging pests, protect one's home, or even own them for the sake of collecting historical artifacts.

and it's fun ^^ I mean... yes you are just throwing bits of lead really fast at paper... but it also makes a loud noise and makes holes.... guys love that shit!

ahah


but in seriousness... to me its just like shooting a basketball, aim shoot and score

 

[Grant Hobba]

How much are you willing to spend?

up to 1k,

I want a decent enough handgun to at least compensate for my in experience

In that case, definitely go with a 1911 style handgun. Trigger is damned good, especially in the more expensive examples, parts are everywhere, you can buy kits to convert them to .22 for practice shooting, they feel good in the hand, and just look damned sexy.

*Is not COMPLETELY biased, owns a Springfield XD 9mm, just likes the 1911 better.

ahhh the 1911.... so beautiful ^^


if only the .45 was legal here *strangles self*

 

[jdun]

so even using a stricter definition of violent crime, they still have an increase in violent crime and Britain still has more violent crime than the US.....

Untrue.

The city of Detroit alone has more violent crime than the entire United Kingdom and all overseas territory.

Once again though: I don't actually give a fuck about whether or not guns are legal. Genuinely I think it's the culture of a nation (or area) over whether or not they have access to firearms.

That in itself is not support of gun ownership either though btw.

So yeah, I'm pretty much on the fence on this.

Keep believing that so you can feel better.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html#ixzz1n9w6z3Zd


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html

The difference is that violent criminals are lock away forever in the USA. In Europe they get release in three months.

Daily mail as your soure= argument immediately discredited.

Keep believing that so you can feel better.

Cheers, and you continue to believe that America is a wonderland, with no crime, where nobody ever dies except criminals. Except there aren't criminals, because you lock them up for life. And that has stopped all crime ever.


Britain has violent crime, yes. We're probably the most violent country in Europe, yes, we're also the least progressive and most "Americanised" when it comes to the "lock 'em up and throw away the key" approach.

Coincidence? Possibly. Who cares?

For what it's worth I think our police should have guns, and be given a lot more leeway when making arrests - at present our criminals can get all sorts of payouts if they're injured whilst being arrested, which is utterly ridiculous (means they can resist arrest as violently as they want, knowing that if they're hurt in the process of being restrained they'll get a hefty payout).

a few things, Detroit is a third world city at this point, and second that is not true, America as a whole is less violent than the UK.

Simply not true.

You can't have one city of 5 million more violent than our entire country (and all it's overseas territories) and then try to claim that the country "as a whole" is less violent. "as a whole" includes the violent parts.

In any case, even if taken "As a whole" - http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2009/oct/13/homicide-rates-country-murder-data

Americas homicide per capita in 2004 - 5.9
Britains homicide per capita in 2004 - 1.6

Homicide is a good example I think, because unlike "violent crime" it's generally more universally defined.

If we get to discount violent areas, then we can discount Glasgow and London and all of a sudden our violent crime drops significantly.

They are using the "European Commission and United Nations" numbers. They weren't fucking pulling it out of their assholes.

Streets of New York safer than London, says Mayor
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-1710216.html

England has worse crime rate than the US, says Civitas study
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/7922755/England-has-worse-crime-rate-than-the-US-says-Civitas-study.html

Keep believing that UK is safer if that makes you feel better.

 

[keve4433]

If your daring the S&W M500 is pretty fun. Supposedly the Colt single-action army is the best handgun ever made, but I haven't fired one myself. The .44 Blawkhawk is pretty fun as well...I guess I just got a thing for revolvers. The only "normal" handgun I have used is a Colt .45 which is okay.

 

[Rheinmetall]

What military were you in and what branch?

Greek Air Force and I was trained in Airport defense .