To be honest if they show up at my house i want a warrant shown and a good damn excuse why i ( someone small fry compared to massive file sharers out there) should have my privacy raided for no apprent reason and in response to their arrival i would kindly ask them to leave the premesis on account of being fed up with how rotten the law has gotten.
by tomorrow, mostly all of you will be breaking the law.
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QuantumT said:
In what way is it affecting you negatively? In what way is it affecting anyone negatively? You argue for arguments sake, still have no grasp of the situation, so here we go again...
To answer this first bit, my argument says nothing of the sort it is exclusively referencing intellectual property which by no means is the same as harvesting a kidney. That you pick such ridiculous and non analogous arguments speaks to a low intellect and emotional appeal.
Besides you picking a completely unsuitable and nonsensical hypothetical, yet again, let me inverse that first statement of yours. What you are saying is "Your right to well being entitles you to negatively affect their right to life?" I mean really? This isnt even an argument it's you saying that first and foremost you come first, because you are somehow the center of the world. I feel as if you just messed up writing somehow and didn't think the sentence through, probably because I'm such a generous individual and like to pretend that stupid things are accidental.
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So before globalization and international intellectual property there was never anything done? The past 10000 years of humanity was sadly lacking the miracle of owning ideas, therefore nothing happened? This is like creationism all over again...
You seem to discount reality in favor of an idealized incorporationalist world view. Super bizarre. Innovation has been around far longer than intellectual property and will still be there long after its gone, to say that any one thing drives innovation is to misunderstand the process so completely that it begs the question as to whether you've ever experienced any.
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Now I am freaked out, especially since I just re-read 1984.
Anyone wanna make guesses how long until Oceania if this really passes?
Now I am freaked out, especially since I just re-read 1984.
Anyone wanna make guesses how long until Oceania if this really passes?
If this really gets as bad as they are saying, everyone in the house and senate will be replaced this november. I wouldn't be suprised if people started demanding an early presidental election.
Honestly I doubt that we need to worry that much. Newsflash: they already can do this under the patriot act however the infomation is so overwelming and is happening so fast, they can't make heads or tails of it anyway. I don't buy the whole, arrest everyone who has internet thing, since WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PRISON SPACE FOR 300 MILLION PEOPLE. Plus if a child gets sent to prison for 10 years or more because he had an Ipod, every city will be in chaos from the total upheval from the population.
Honestly I doubt that we need to worry that much. Newsflash: they already can do this under the patriot act however the infomation is so overwelming and is happening so fast, they can't make heads or tails of it anyway. I don't buy the whole, arrest everyone who has internet thing, since WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PRISON SPACE FOR 300 MILLION PEOPLE. Plus if a child gets sent to prison for 10 years or more because he had an Ipod, every city will be in chaos from the total upheval from the population.
Well, good. Hopefully this passes, And the filthy thieves who are going to be penalized buy it will learn their lesson.
You are basically being a dick to people because they aren't lawyers. This shit is scary to people who don't understand it. People who lack the natural/trained ability to read complex legal documents are not idiots, yet you've labelled them as conspiracy theorists and consequently talk to them like as such.Seldon2639 said:
I'm sorry if I'm reading you wrong but alot of your comments have seemed needlessly condescending. Talking down to people is a definite way to have people rebuke your points, even if they are correct.
OT:Seeing that European politicians have decided that it is a bit "seen kyle?" then there must have been atleast some cause for alarm, I'm sure alot of those people are lawyers too.
Then again I can barely understand legal speech, most of the time, so I can only assume they know what they are talking about.
Suspicion surrounding ACTA is only natural considering the image, the public have rightly formed, of modern politics. I also think it's healthy. Despite this sentiment I also recognise the danger of overreaction.
Misinterpretation, through lack of education/natural affinity for law, is unavoidable.
Maybe they should teach Law to schoolkids. Would be far more useful than French.
Until someone can come up with a sustainable alternative to the monetary system we will always suffer from the greed and corruption inherent to wealth itself. (yeah like thats going to happen anyway)
I'll make you feel a little better, and post mine from a few pages back..chemicalreaper said:
And thanks Chemical, it is actually repeal 5 amendments, not 2MisterShine said:
*facepalm* Have you not read a post in this thread? It's not just about piracy, it's about privacy and invasion of our personal rights and that the Government could be potentially invading those rights with the ACTA, and that the things that can be illegal to own are things that are impossible to avoid in the way the treaty describes it.VicunaBlue said:
However, I don't think it will pass in America in light of the EU vote. If it does, I am moving to Europe.
Maybe if there was some conceivable reason for them to do so.QuantumT said:
Some stranger could walk up to me in the street and punch me in the face, its yet to happen however.
And I'm sure you're thinking "but if they did that they'd be charged for assault" and you're right, just like these companies and the governments would find themselves in deep shit if they overstepped the line between piracy prevention and general dumbassery.
That's great, now if only publicity was directly proportionate to money they'd be set I'm sure. Here's how it really works.
P1: Hey I downloaded this awesome song, have a listen.
P2: Hey that's awesome, I'll go buy their album.
P3: Hey that's awesome, I have no money so I'll download it.
P4: Hey that's awesome, I'm a lazy douche can you copy it for me.
P5: Hey that's awesome, but I feel that I'm entitled to digital goods for free because its not "real".
P6: Hey that's awesome, give me a copy and I'll burn a bunch of CDs and sell them for $2 each.
P7: Hey that song is crap, but I'll download it anyway because its not worth spending money on.
IF the ISPs are willing to overlook this whole deal, it's all good. Capeesh? If not, ya gonna be swimmin' with da fishes.
ACTA has nothing to do with the UN.ecoho said:i can see the US leaveing the UN over this cause any person in the govrnment who signs this is commiting political suicide and would most likely be phisicaly removed from office. It will never pass without US aproval so no worries guys and girls
And I'll bet whatever you want that the president and a majority of Congress support it, along with most of the corporate news media.
Yeah, I know. I'm as butt-diddled as everyone if this passes. Kinda wanted to see what would happen if I posted that.AstylahAthrys said:
As currently put forth, there wouldn't be in "deep shit" because everything they did would have been legal. There also wouldn't be any good was to catch them abusing their power.fletch_talon said:
Actually, publicity basically is directly proportionate to money for them. Both of them saw huge surges in their ability to sell out show in bigger venues, as well as a large increase in merchandise.
In the case of Dispatch, after Napster became popular, they were all of a sudden able to tour to cities they had never played and sell out concerts.
In the case of Radiohead, their Kid A album started making the rounds on Napster 3 months before its official release. Radiohead had never had a top 20 hit in the US, yet it's album grabbed the top spot the week of it's release. This success (remember this means beating ALL of Eminem, Madonna, Creed, 'N Sync and Britney Spears and all their huge marketing budgets at their peak) has been largely attributed to Napster's ability to spread the music around. What interesting in this case is that it didn't even harm the music industry (they gathered in more sales than before).