by tomorrow, mostly all of you will be breaking the law.
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Really. You think the number of people it affects has anything to do with whether it will pass or not? Are you doing anything right now to prevent that? No? Neither am I. I've signed a petition, sure, but what can I do against lobbiest groups with their millions of dollars? My signature doesn't have that much power. Neither does yours.chinangel said:
Yes, if the millions of people this treaty would affect rallied, it surely would fail. But so little is actually known about the treaty (almost said "bill"), that so few people will actually act. And the people that do act will only be a fraction of those that know.
People didn't act strongly when the Patriot Act (USA) passed. It screwed over several human rights in the name of protection, and it upset millions that read and understood what it was. But did anyone DO anything about it? No. America is a welcome mat of complacency in the 21st century; come, walk all over us. We'll complain, but that's the worst of it.
This also goes for anyone who has downloaded freeware onto their computer. This includes Linux and browsers. So under this treaty, all users of Firefox, Google Chrome, IE8, Opera, Safari, and any other web browser which people downloaded form the internet will be liable for punishment. This would also include anti-virus software programs, games, chat programs, and anything which you download that you don't have to pay for are now tickets for criminal prosecution.HG131 said:
You'd be looking at possibly >90% of all internet users, that's over a billion people. Passing this treaty and prosecuting everyone would be so insanely expensive the people in charge would become bankrupt just from the cost of searching and evidence gathering. There is NO way that anybody will be able to pay for this.
-It passes, Time warner/aol/disney becomes the only corporation capable of offering anything resembling internet access, only to their websites, as ACTA makes it illegal for anyone (including ISPs) to copy anything they do not own or have rights to. Since you cannot view anything without downloading (copying) it, the internet as it exists right now becomes illegal.Frequen-Z said:
They've tried this before. You might not remember the whole net neutrality business.
Like I said, the biggest problem is the treaty seems reasonable to one without computer knowledge.
I love you too man... I'm gonna miss your Dancing Hobo... *sobs at the thought of loosing TF2 online* Okay, crying's over. I'm going to hide all my pornIrridium said:
O.T. Yeah despite that. I really doubt this treaty will be as bad as some people are making it out to be.
I hope to god Anonymous takes down the asshattery that is the ACTA. They've apparently declared a state of war.
Actually current copyright law pretty is pretty much only "downs." I dunno how we managed to fuck that one up so badly. I think it happened right around the time when copyright holders decided they were above the law and the courts agreed with them.tomtom94 said:
ACTA is in international treaty and can thus bypass the laws of any Country which has signed it.henritje said:
New low? What about the industrial revolution?tomtom94 said:
I get why some people are scared but it's hardly a doomsday scenario. 2012 on the other hand...
2012 Wont Happen said:
For a second there I though that you guys were one and the same person(after glimpsing at your red avatars).Kair said:
And to think that Kollega is right between each other makes this even more hilarious XD(you do know he's from the Russian Federation).
Anyway, to "2012 Wont Happen":
To be bluntly sincere I(I'm not so certain if many other Europeans share the same thought), don't believe in Democracy any more. It's not because of the U.S, it's because of how fucked up it's in all other democratic countries. It's good on paper just like communism, but in practice, it's not quite what it should be...
Although hats down for making democracy seem so real and uncorrupted in your country(your politicians are quite the actors).
I beg to differ(although for all our sakes I hope I'm wrong and you're right)!Furburt said:
The U.S Government has been trying to get a slice of pie for almost a decade(pie=money from the totally free medium known as the internet).
I remember that back in 2006(or about then) that they were all hammering about "Net Neutrality".
Form my point of view ACTA and Net Neutrality have about the same devastating consequences.
One would think they'd give up after that incident, but guess they're persistent.
And don't worry that the law might be unenforceable. There have been a lot of cases(or at least here in my country) where the law was unenforceable/would have automatically made 70% of the population guilty for breaking it(in other world a contradicting law that put you in a lose-lose situation). And all just to get a bigger "piece of the pie"(pie=money in absolutely any form).
If you are wondering about those lose-lose laws: they're form the driving regulation, and because of how certain parking spaces are illegally placed right close to intersections or places where you are forbidden to park, this makes you obligated to break the law in one way or an other.
The policemen and those how enforce it are always right, and if they catch you and they consider that you should be punished, you get a ticket. It all depends on if they're close and what mood they're in.
Man, what a long rant!
... now there are three of you? >_>Jack and Calumon said:
OT: Meh. I don't care much for laws anyway. Just or unjust doesn't matter to me, only morally right or wrong...
Shale_Dirk said:
Limiting the liability of ISPs for the illegal action of their customers is something you find violates either the constitution or "human rights"?
Heh. The Pirate Bay. Irony.AndyFromMonday said:
OT: I'd hate to break it to you, but it's all bad and no good. It's hardly believable it will pass though. I also think people are dead wrong about protesting. I'll be the one of the first protesting if it does pass. I've already written the President, my Congressmen, my Senators, my mayor, and my governor. That's all I can do.
