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[HEADING=1]RED DEAD REDEMPTION[/HEADING]
[HEADING=3]What's the big deal about having a bounty on you?
I think they're delicious.
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The Wild West: A time when men were men, women were women, and foreigners were subjugated.

It's also a time which is heavily romanticised. Cards in the saloon over a shot of whiskey, riding into the sunset, possibly with a spouse before domestic violence was considered anything actually wrong, and having duels with a man who disagreed with you on a subject you knew little to nothing about yourself.

It took 2004's grittier-than-the-sandman's-left-shoe cowboy epic Deadwood to show us that a period in history wherein we massacred an indigenous race so that we could build McDonald's restaurants everywhere might have been grim.
And the grimness continues into our own times, and it was never outlined more than with Rockstar's digital monolith of a series Grand Theft Auto. Ever since its third instalment it seems that anyone who questions the series' domination of every other games title had to have some kind of tumour or clot which blinded them to its greatness. Whatever the developer touches seems to turn into some kind of specialist hurricane which centres exclusively around your wallet.

Now it may surprise you, gentle reader, to learn that I think that the GTA series is a big bucket of okay.
I love playing it for about a week or so, but after a while I get bored or distracted. The problem, and indeed the point, of the series was that there was nothing stopping you from doing what you wanted, save for the police who pack munitions with all the danger and consequence of an angrily-hurled blancmange.

So the impact of wreaking havoc wears off almost as quickly as the series garners controversy. That ugly word that no one seems to realise helps a game sell. In fairness, Rockstar themselves pander to it with glee, providing you with the tools to chainsaw hookers, run down innocent pedestrians and generally be a naughty boy. But we have to keep things in proportion, and realise that the acts we see on screen are just that, pretend, and you should never kill anyone unless they might have oil and you can think of some contrived excuse to get away with it.

Politics burn.
Anyway, when my Trailer Friend[footnote]Everyone has one of these; someone who sends you links to things you probably want to see, but are too lazy to watch when they want to talk about it. This time I was lucky (i.e. not masturbating).[/footnote] showed me a trailer for Rockstar's latest and I saw that your acts of genocide were not only frowned upon, but also had consequences, I must admit my curiosity was well and truly peaked.
So saddle up pardner, and let's mosey into the world of Red Dead Redemption - the only review of mine that has tumble weeds in the subject matter as well as the text.
[HEADING=2]"You're just being mysterious[/HEADING]​
[HEADING=1]because you don't have a personality!"[/HEADING]​
[HEADING=3]I find that being grumpy works well too.[/HEADING]
Now when it comes to characters, Rockstar like to make up for their complete lack of subtlety with their complete lack of subtlety.

Take, for example, Brucie from GTA4.
Testosterone driven, steroid enhanced, all the morals of an angry shark - while he was a fun character, he's not one you'd say would go down in the ages. But to their credit, they've always managed to pull out a convincing and iconic hero to be surrounded by the prerequisite nutters and sociopaths.

And in John Marston they have just that. A flawed hero, just in case you didn't have enough of those kicking around your media shelves, he's just a retired mass murderer trying to go straight and get his kids back from the government. His methods for getting you on his side vary from being extremely polite and courteous (in a manly way) to listing his crimes in a gruff, regretful voice. He's saved from being just another grizzled hero by looking like the sole of someone's shoe and having Rob Wiethoff give a beautifully smooth performance.

After moseying into town, Marston immediately occupies his free time with horse riding, scenery gazing and playing chicken with live bullets. Since he left his health regeneration at home that day, he had to be nursed back to health by Bonnie, who takes him under his wing in the ways of ranching. Now Bonnie, being one of the only females in the game, finds something incredibly attractive about his noughts-and-crosses face and has to live with the fact that she can't dance around that particular Maypole. She also fills out the prerequisite "modern woman in an old world" archetype and it has to be said, with all these stories featuring this character (Maid Marion, Fiona in Shrek, Keira Knightley in Pirates of the Caribbean, Catherine Zeta Jones in Zorro, Sharon Stone in The Quick and the Dead, and the list continues) it's amazing how equal rights didn't come sooner, following some kind of gender-fuelled bloodbath.

The rest of the cast, and playing the game you'll realise there's quite few of them, are all as quirky as you'd come to expect of the developer. Special mention goes to tonics merchant/conman Nigel West Dickens, whose deliciously camp capers lighten up the game whenever he's around.

The only thing really missing from the affair, and from a lot of Rockstar's games come to think of it, is an iconic bad guy. None of them are particularly well characterised, and we usually have to take the leads' word for it that they love washing blood out of the bank notes they steal from hard working innocents. Of all of them, Dutch gets the most screen time, but unless you're paying resolute attention you aren't going to glean any kind of insight into his character.

Not having played the first game, I assume from the cutscenes that all of these characters are in the original (Red Dead Revolver, in case you shut your brain off a few paragraphs ago) but if they aren't alluded to here, that isn't exactly a point in its favour.
[HEADING=2]"You can help me right now...[/HEADING]
[HEADING=1]... or I can put a bullet in your head and get on with my day."[/HEADING]​
[HEADING=3]Redemption takes time.[/HEADING]
What every good protagonist needs is something to drive him, and here the steering wheel comes in the form of Marston trying to capture his erstwhile band of thugs and cut-throats and deliver final, shooty justice.

The only problem with this is actually finding them.
As you might have guessed, or been told by everyone within earshot, the world of Red Dead is absolutely sprawling. Now Rockstar have had some experience in this, aha, field, and have given the player a lush environment for them to get their genocide on in. Rolling hills, acrid desert, heat waves on the horizon - the entire map looks stunning.
But what's often overlooked is the feel of the map. Size is all well and good, but unless it feels real, it's only so much padding - not unlike underwear. Thankfully, here we're given a world that not only seems real, but feels lived in and dangerous. Every inch is necessary and vital, and used to its best extent. Rockstar have displayed that they understand the first rule of gaming: less is definitely more.

The only drawback to this is transport. There is a fast-travel function, and very welcome it is, but you're going to have to use your horse a lot. Now unless you have a worrying fetish for watching horse rectum bob up and down like a yo-yo, eventually you're going to get so bored your teeth will fall out. Especially during the longer missions, unless you're passing the time perforating the local wildlife, you may have to rig up some contrivance to steer the horse for you while you do something marginally more entertaining, like read a book or chisel off your own kneecaps. In fairness it not only gives the map scale, it also explains why cowboys walk like they do.

Anyway, I mentioned hunting the local critters because that's actually something you can do to make money, and it also involves the mainstay of almost any game: The Shooting.
Now Rockstar are famed for the shooting in their games, mainly because it took them six instalments of GTA to get something even remotely workable on the go, culminating in IV's over-the-shoulder system[footnote]In what I like to call the "fuck it we'll copy Resident Evil" approach.[/footnote]. Thankfully Red Dead lifts the system from that almost wholesale, giving you the option between locking on to the target and allowing you to fine-tune for a headshot (Normal Targetting) or having complete free aim and dying a lot (Expert Targetting).

The morality system also rears its ugly head in the form of Honour. If you have honour, nice people will like you and give you store discounts (because that's how things work in real life) and if you are dishonourable they run away. Unless they are bad too, because if you're bad then other bad people won't shoot you or anything.
The thing is that John Marston constantly saying how he's trying to reform and get his family back to resume his simple life on a ranch doesn't exactly ring true when he's wearing local post office workers' innards as a necklace. It should really bring the game down, but instead it gives you a genuine reason to want to be good, and any crimes you commit become necessary evils to get your family back. It actually adds to the character, and makes it quite possibly the most effective moral system since Mass Effect 2.

Now aside from the story quests, which are engrossing, you also have the option to help people you meet along the way. Just simple little asides that add meat to the game's broth. Add to that a healthy selection of weaponry and horses to acquire, and you have a fairly lengthy gaming experience to look forward to. But horses and six shooters a sandbox game makes not. Everyone and their dog knows that what a game of this scale needs is minigames, and here you will not be disapointed. Poker, Liar's Dice, Finger Fillet, Horseshoes, Blackjack, Arm Wrestling - in short, if it don't need batteries you can do it.
I must say, once I played poker in a dusty saloon, a storm thundering outside, and thought to myself: "This is atmosphere."

All in all, it's really hard to fault the game. It looks great, the animations are smooth and fluent, and there's enough to keep you interested throughout the whole of its hefty play time. The only issue you can level at it are bugs, because spank mah' bootie and call m' Cleetus if there ain't a lot of them. Horses getting eaten by the map, sections of code not working and grinding the game to a halt, glitching... After a while it becomes less a question of incompetence and you begin to wonder if Rockstar actually have a quality control department.

But hey, it adds to the drama. In any "normal" or "finished" game you only have to contend with enemy AI, here you have the added tension of wondering if the game will actually work until you can hit a save point.
[HEADING=2]"We hunt to eat...[/HEADING]
[HEADING=1]... The white man hunts for sport."[/HEADING]​
[HEADING=3]What's surprising is that a game from this developer actually can take the moral high ground.[/HEADING]
The Verdict? The Auto may be gone, but the Grand is not.

It may have catastrophic technical issues, but it speaks volumes about the game's quality that this won't stop you enjoying it. Also the least controversial work the infamous developer has done, and all the better for it. Your actions are dictated by the way you interpret the character, and more often than not you'll want to be the hero.

Here Rockstar invites you to hate the player.
Not the game.
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DividedUnity

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Great review. Too bad the relationship between John and Uncle didnt get a mention. I dont think it ever mentions why John is such a complete ass to him.
 

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DividedUnity said:
Great review. Too bad the relationship between John and Uncle didnt get a mention. I dont think it ever mentions why John is such a complete ass to him.
Lol i just got the impression he was useless, and he just kept him around for sentimental reasons, but you're quite right, it's never really outlined
 

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Awesome review, and I'm still shocked that you weren't masturbating long enough to follow a link and read stuff.

Seriously though, you nailed the conclusion perfectly, and the rest of the review as well. Kudos
 

domble

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Pimppeter2 said:
Awesome review, and I'm still shocked that you weren't masturbating long enough to follow a link and read stuff.

Seriously though, you nailed the conclusion perfectly, and the rest of the review as well. Kudos
Hey thanks man, the monkey received enough spanking that day. Sometimes you just need to admit that you aren't a teenager anymore and keep it at a steady 6 or 7 times an hour.

And thanks man, I just remembered that GTA seemed so forced, desperate to clamour for headlines. This was way more sincere, and just amazing because of it.
 

Lost In The Void

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Excellent review as always. Been a fan of the game since I picked it up on a trip to Edmonton. I must ask though, which system are you playing it on? I keep getting mentions of glitches and crashing code and I haven't had any issues with it yet, despite playing through the entirity of the story.
 

domble

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Lost In The Void said:
Excellent review as always. Been a fan of the game since I picked it up on a trip to Edmonton. I must ask though, which system are you playing it on? I keep getting mentions of glitches and crashing code and I haven't had any issues with it yet, despite playing through the entirity of the story.
I'm on the 360 myself, I've just had quite a few issues with horses getting stuck in the floor and whatnot. For example, during the first horse breaking mission I captured the stallion, but the breaking minigame never started, so the game never progressed... in the end I had to find a way of killing myself so I could start from the last checkpoint lol

Add to that my character phasing in and out of cover while I'm trying to shoot with a pinch of straight forward crashing and you have a recipe for pouting. Thankfully I managed to look past it lol

How about you, what system you on?
 

JourneyThroughHell

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Yeah, a really, really good review.
Although your assumption about the characters being in the original RDR is wrong, as far as I'm concerned.
 

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Wow, I don't think I've ever seen a review done like this. I'll have to read some of your others. You gave great attention to just about everything the game offers. I think the second half of the story could have been talked about a bit more. "Since he left his health regeneration at home that day, he had to be nursed back to health by Bonnie..." was one of the standout lines.
 

Stranger of Sorts

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Good review there mate.

I'm currently doing a guide to formatting reviews, different ways of doing it and so on. Is it okay if I link this review on it?
 

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I liked the review, and it's nice to see others enjoyed this game. It's certainly one of the best i've played so far this year.
 

Lost In The Void

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domble said:
Lost In The Void said:
Excellent review as always. Been a fan of the game since I picked it up on a trip to Edmonton. I must ask though, which system are you playing it on? I keep getting mentions of glitches and crashing code and I haven't had any issues with it yet, despite playing through the entirity of the story.
I'm on the 360 myself, I've just had quite a few issues with horses getting stuck in the floor and whatnot. For example, during the first horse breaking mission I captured the stallion, but the breaking minigame never started, so the game never progressed... in the end I had to find a way of killing myself so I could start from the last checkpoint lol

Add to that my character phasing in and out of cover while I'm trying to shoot with a pinch of straight forward crashing and you have a recipe for pouting. Thankfully I managed to look past it lol

How about you, what system you on?
360 as well that's why I'm really confused about people complaining about all the issues
 

AwesomeExpress

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You know, I wasn't going to play this game, but I think based on this, I think I will have to try it out. Thanks!
 

CycloKyle

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Excellent review. I actually really, really want this game now.

I guess I'm a Trailer Friend... I'm always sending my friends videos which they never watch... I never knew why until now!
 

domble

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JourneyThroughHell said:
Yeah, a really, really good review.
Although your assumption about the characters being in the original RDR is wrong, as far as I'm concerned.
thanks man, 'preciate it :)

with regards to the characters, I never actually played the first game so I truly have no idea. I mean it'd make sense, at least to me. Were they?

sln333 said:
much too kind sir! I don't know about the story thing though, y'see I'm incredibly allergic to spoilers, so I do tend to play it extremely safe. It might have helped though, you're quite right.

Stranger of Sorts said:
I'm currently doing a guide to formatting reviews, different ways of doing it and so on. Is it okay if I link this review on it?
linking lil' ol' me? Sure, no problems. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go fan my ego lol

Demon ID said:
I liked the review, and it's nice to see others enjoyed this game. It's certainly one of the best i've played so far this year.
honestly I'd go as far as saying that I'm enjoying it more than GTA4. Multiplayer ain't to be sniffed at either.

Lost In The Void said:
red ring of snip
I was free of them for a while, but all of a sudden they just rounded on me. Honestly I can only compare it to PE in high school when the rugby balls came out to play.



AwesomeExpress said:
You know, I wasn't going to play this game, but I think based on this, I think I will have to try it out. Thanks!
The best compliment I can ever hope for :D

CycloKyle said:
Excellent review. I actually really, really want this game now.

I guess I'm a Trailer Friend... I'm always sending my friends videos which they never watch... I never knew why until now!
As above sir!

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This, kids, is why you don't let comments get ahead of you. Uberpost!
 

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domble said:
JourneyThroughHell said:
Yeah, a really, really good review.
Although your assumption about the characters being in the original RDR is wrong, as far as I'm concerned.
thanks man, 'preciate it :)

with regards to the characters, I never actually played the first game so I truly have no idea. I mean it'd make sense, at least to me. Were they?
I double checked that and they weren't.
So, yeah, I guess they wanted this one to have to do as little as possible with the last one.
 

Darth_Dude

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Good review, the layout is pretty unique, I dont think I've seen spoiler boxes used like that.
 

domble

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JourneyThroughHell said:
It's just weird though because after playing the game I only felt like I knew John, and even then just barely. I really thought that they were in the original and had everything said that needed to be then, and I was just a johnny-come-lately.

I mean hunting down his old crew would have been a great idea if that crew was your gang in the original. That would be a real story arc.

Darth_Dude said:
Good review, the layout is pretty unique, I dont think I've seen spoiler boxes used like that.
Just normal quote boxes. Stranger reckons I'm the first to use them that way, I reckon I just stumbled on them by accident when I was drunk lol

Like I always say, if you write and want to use them (or something similar) just drop me a line and I'll send you my templates folder :)
 

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Great review, very well done i think. Also, by the way the main characters name is John Marston.
 

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Flamezdudes said:
Great review, very well done i think. Also, by the way the main characters name is John Marston.
Well yeah, if you wanna be technical about it. Or correct. -hastily edits-

lol thanks dude, I could've sworn IMDB said marsden... Oh well, worse mistakes to make :D