California Gay Marriage Ban Lifted

[Wayneguard]

I know you're all reasonably enlightened so I can't imagine much hate for this news.

The elitism... I can almost taste it.

OT: I'm glad to hear that a government has been put back into its place. Victory for California.

 

[Matt_LRR]

Ahh its a dark day for democracy.
Even worse since this already happened and Prop 8 had to come along to fix it.

yeah, that whole defence of the constitution thing, real bad news for democracy.

-m

I am assuming you mean this as sarcasm but the simple fact is that the constitution is bad news for democracy. The people voted against gay marriage. Lets not forget that the constitution also makes it legal for news stations to tell straight out lies.

No, a ruling that the FCC did not have sufficient regulatory authority to prevent news stations from telling outright lies makes it legal for news stations to tell straight out lies. (a claim which itself is only half true).

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point 1: The US is a republic, not a democracy. A republic being a representative deomcracy - the basis of which is that representatives act in the interest of their constituents, not necessarily according to their wishes.

point 2: go read up on tyranny of the majority. Just because an idea is popular doesn't make it just or right.

point 3: the constitution is held as the basic operating rules for all of american democratic process. Without it (and defense of it against misguided and prohibited populist action) your democracy is meaningless - it is but a dictatorship of the many.

-m

 

[MrFluffy-X]

The title says it all, but here's a link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2010/aug/04/proposition-8-gay-marriage-california?CMP=AFCYAH

Basically, a judge found the ban was unconstitutional.

Personally, I am pretty glad they've done this. It's a victory for civil rights and just generally great (speaking as a brit).

Thoughts? I know you're all reasonably enlightened so I can't imagine much hate for this news.

I believe gay marriage is wrong, that is just my opinion, Its just sounds like an oxymoron to me

 

[Mcupobob]

About time my state got its head out of its ass. You can blame the whole prop 8 on my county btw. My whole area was for it and when it got passed the first time my class cheered. Oh well its over turned and this is a victory for civic rights!

 

[Nimbus]

Ahh its a dark day for democracy.
Even worse since this already happened and Prop 8 had to come along to fix it.

yeah, that whole defence of the constitution thing, real bad news for democracy.

-m

I am assuming you mean this as sarcasm but the simple fact is that the constitution is bad news for democracy. The people voted against gay marriage. Lets not forget that the constitution also makes it legal for news stations to tell straight out lies.

The majority is NOT always right. If the majority voted for slavery, racism, or sexism to come back, it wouldn't be right. This is the same thing.

 

[Furious Styles]

The elitism... I can almost taste it.

I just meant that this isn't youtube, no one's going to say "Fukin fagz, marrige is 4 straight peepz" or something else stupid like that.

So yeah, it is a little elitist but that's okay sometimes.

 

[Xpwn3ntial]

This is almost as good as when Texas banned marriage.

 

[warboss5]

About time my state got its head out of its ass. You can blame the whole prop 8 on my county btw. My whole area was for it and when it got passed the first time my class cheered. Oh well its over turned and this is a victory for civic rights!

Santa Clarita was the same way, and I felt ashamed to live there

 

[Booze Zombie]

Good, welcome to... today, California.

 

[RobotNinja]

Ahh its a dark day for democracy.
Even worse since this already happened and Prop 8 had to come along to fix it.

We live in a republic, my misinformed friend. The United states is not a democracy. Witch is better in my opinion. This way, civil rights are protected.

This is true. A system of government based on majority opinion leaves people of a minority opinion vulnerable. A republic can better protect peoples' rights than a pure democracy. Besides, America is too big to be a democracy.

 

[Furious Styles]

I believe gay marriage is wrong, that is just my opinion, Its just sounds like an oxymoron to me

Fair enough, care to elaborate?

 

[seryoga]

finally we can have professionals lead the masses of nazis instead of the bigoted american masses, at leeast i can proudly call myself a born russian and not a member of the idiots who drag this country down with them

 

[Sovvolf]

Well congratulations to California for entering the civilised world. Though I think we are being too hasty with our celebrating... I'm sure this isn't the end of it.

*Looks at the comments on page one*

I can see this turning really nasty, really fast.

 

[maturin]

finally we can have professionals lead the masses of nazis instead of the bigoted american masses, at leeast i can proudly call myself a born russian and not a member of the idiots who drag this country down with them

You removed homosexuality from the list of mental disease in nineteen-ninety-freaking-nine. And public support for gay marriage in Russia stands at 14%.

 

[Lust]

Yay! My state is getting better every year.

 

[saintchristopher]

The title says it all, but here's a link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2010/aug/04/proposition-8-gay-marriage-california?CMP=AFCYAH

Basically, a judge found the ban was unconstitutional.

Personally, I am pretty glad they've done this. It's a victory for civil rights and just generally great (speaking as a brit).

Thoughts? I know you're all reasonably enlightened so I can't imagine much hate for this news.

I believe gay marriage is wrong, that is just my opinion, Its just sounds like an oxymoron to me

Why? All it means is two people are now taxed as a unit and have new medical/legal proxies.

 

[Furious Styles]

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Don't worry it's not a trap, any opinion is valid so long as you argue rationally. Is it about the definition of marriage or a religious thing or what?

 

[warboss5]

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Don't worry it's not a trap, any opinion is valid so long as you argue rationally. Is it about the definition of marriage or a religious thing or what?

Its only a trap because you require rational arguments, rofl

 

[Zirat]

Yipee for them.

Gay relationships really skeeve me out but if it makes them happy I dont care

 

[Furious Styles]

Its only a trap because you require rational arguments, rofl

Fair point, that is where most of the opponents seem to fall down.