California Gay Marriage Ban Lifted

[MrFluffy-X]

I believe gay marriage is wrong, that is just my opinion, Its just sounds like an oxymoron to me

Fair enough, care to elaborate?

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hehe, sorry, couldn't help myself =P

HAHA i dont doubt that its a trap.

Well marriage has always been when two people 'come together' under the responsibilities of a religion, and we know that religions tend to reject homosexuality.

So why call it 'marriage' which has always been religious.

 

[The Lunatic]

Well, I suppose it never hurt anyone.

 

[Blind Sight]

Regardless of whether a majority supported it or not, I'm glad that this was lifted. To all those who argue that gay marriage is wrong I say this: how would you feel if you were told that straight marriage is wrong, and that you have no right to it? I'm guessing you'd be pretty pissed.

finally we can have professionals lead the masses of nazis instead of the bigoted american masses, at leeast i can proudly call myself a born russian and not a member of the idiots who drag this country down with them

"Gay rights activists have complained about repeated violations of their rights in Russia, where casual homophobia is rather widespread. Moscow authorities have prevented activists from holding gay pride events. Mayor Yury Luzhkov said he will never allow Moscow to host a gay parade, which he called "satanic.""

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20100121/157637084.html

Yes, Russia, the beautiful utopia of civil rights.

 

[Furious Styles]

Well marriage has always been when two people 'come together' under the responsibilities of a religion, and we know that religions tend to reject homosexuality.

So why call it 'marriage' which has always been religious.

Why call any secular marriage a marriage, then? What about all the marriages that take place in front of a judge and are almost purely legal? What should you call them?

If church and state are separate in the US (which they are) then such an argument cannot really stand up.

 

[warboss5]

I believe gay marriage is wrong, that is just my opinion, Its just sounds like an oxymoron to me

Fair enough, care to elaborate?

(insert Akbar "It's a trap!" pic here)

hehe, sorry, couldn't help myself =P

HAHA i dont doubt that its a trap.

Well marriage has always been when two people 'come together' under the responsibilities of a religion, and we know that religions tend to reject homosexuality.

So why call it 'marriage' which has always been religious.

Actually, historically, marriage is a political and financial matter. It was only relatively recently that marriage became primarily about sanctifying the union before some higher power.

 

[Rubashov]

I'm...ambivalent about this news. On the one hand, it's a victory for gay rights; on the other hand, it's a defeat for democracy. Then again, America didn't really have democracy to begin with... Is it okay to support the use of an established procedure you'd like to change to achieve a result you desire?

And for those spouting off about how "America is a republic, not a democracy"...the fact that America is a republic has nothing to do with constitutional protections and everything to do with representation. True democracies are just as capable of having constitutional protections as republics, and such protections would be just as meaningful (i.e., not very. A constitution is just a piece of paper; only widespread support for the constitution among the citizenry can grant the constitution the ability to restrain the actions of the citizenry). The only difference would be that a true democracy would have to find some other method of enforcing the constitution than imbuing appointed officials with the ability to declare something unconstitutional.

 

[monstersquad]

Yay!! Good for all of California, now maybe what might be considered the most liberal, open-minded state in the U.S. can enjoy what the peons of the dictatorship of Stephen Harper have enjoyed for years!

 

[Naheal]

No, a ruling that the FCC did not have sufficient regulatory authority to prevent news stations from telling outright lies makes it legal for news stations to tell straight out lies. (a claim which itself is only half true).

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point 1: The US is a republic, not a democracy. A republic being a representative deomcracy - the basis of which is that representatives act in the interest of their constituents, not necessarily according to their wishes.

point 2: go read up on tyranny of the majority. Just because an idea is popular doesn't make it just or right.

point 3: the constitution is held as the basic operating rules for all of american democratic process. Without it (and defense of it against misguided and prohibited populist action) your democracy is meaningless - it is but a dictatorship of the many.

-m

Of all the intelligent things I've heard on this subject, this is easily the most well thought out argument I've ever heard on the matter. Thank you for using your brain, Matt.

No sarcasm. I honestly am glad to see conscious thought on this subject.

 

[ReincarnatedFTP]

Good.
"The Land of the Free" is finally sorta...slowly...well it might get to the point of its title and the other first world nations at some point.

 

[Sovvolf]

Well marriage has always been when two people 'come together' under the responsibilities of a religion, and we know that religions tend to reject homosexuality.

So why call it 'marriage' which has always been religious.

No it hasn't. Marriage wasn't created for religious reasons or by religion. Marriage was just a contracted bond between lovers for the sake of laws regarding land and wealth (mostly based around inheritance and such). Religion has little to do with marriage... at least not in it's origins.

Here read the Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage

 

[Wayneguard]

The elitism... I can almost taste it.

I just meant that this isn't youtube, no one's going to say "Fukin fagz, marrige is 4 straight peepz" or something else stupid like that.

So yeah, it is a little elitist but that's okay sometimes.

Then I think the word "courteous" would have been more appropriate.

 

[Malgan]

I don't really see how democracy really should apply here. It only affects about 7% of the population, why the hell should the other 93% have any saying in this matter?

 

[ReincarnatedFTP]

I don't really see how democracy really should apply here. It only affects about 7% of the population, why the hell should the other 93% have any saying in this matter?

Because homosexuality is icky and makes baby Jesus cry.

 

[archvile93]

Ahh its a dark day for democracy.
Even worse since this already happened and Prop 8 had to come along to fix it.

yeah, that whole defence of the constitution thing, real bad news for democracy.

-m

I am assuming you mean this as sarcasm but the simple fact is that the constitution is bad news for democracy. The people voted against gay marriage. Lets not forget that the constitution also makes it legal for news stations to tell straight out lies.

Yeah you go on believeing that. In the mean time, I recommend you pray to god that your not in the minority when the majority decides it's okay to to kill minorities for sport.

 

[MrFluffy-X]

I think thats totally irrelevant...marriage is commonly known as religous, religion rejects homosexuality, so gay marriage sounds like an oxymoron

 

[Furious Styles]

Then I think the word "courteous" would have been more appropriate.

Did you ever see the episode of south park where they all by Prius's and the smugness of the owners causes a natural disaster?

It was all i could think about when i read my original post back, but I was in a rush because I figured someone else would beat me to posting on this subject so had little time to word it perfectly.

So yeah, courteous would probably have been a better choice.

 

[Talvrae]

The title says it all, but here's a link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2010/aug/04/proposition-8-gay-marriage-california?CMP=AFCYAH

Basically, a judge found the ban was unconstitutional.

Personally, I am pretty glad they've done this. It's a victory for civil rights and just generally great (speaking as a brit).

Thoughts? I know you're all reasonably enlightened so I can't imagine much hate for this news.

That's good news...

 

[ReincarnatedFTP]

I think thats totally irrelevant...marriage is commonly known as religous, religion rejects homosexuality, so gay marriage sounds like an oxymoron

Marriage is a civil contract between spousal partners for legal and tax reasons.
It's commonly known as religious because that's how it's been twisted.
Regardless, marriage can't be a purely religious institution in America and be in the hands of the government because that would be a violation of the establishment clause in the First Amendment.
Not that other violations such as "Under God" added to the pledge in 50s or "In God We Trust" aren't allowed to stand. But bigots denying people the right to marry and see each other in a hospital room/take care of legal affairs affects people far more than having to read the word "God" on something most people don't recite/read anyway.

 

[MoeTheMonk]

Once again, one judge overrules the will of the people. What a great world this is.

 

[Malgan]

Gays don't care about babies, we eat them for breakfast. If the baby I stole candy from yesterday was an religious icon, then so be it

EDIT: Was ment as a reply to ReincarnatedFTP, stupid interwebs tucking me up.