California Gay Marriage Ban Lifted
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I'm very happy about this particular turn of events. First, the idea of putting a civil rights issue up for a fucking public referndum is insane. If we did that with the rights of women, or blacks, or Asians, or mentally retarded people, or disabled people, at any point in our history there would have been an enormous shitstorm and it never would have happened. Personal feelings aside for a moment, the governmental system of the United States is more or less structured around preventing the tyranny of the majority- the majority of people deciding on something like, say, killing everyone who wears shorts next Tuesday- from having reign. Deciding to put a civil rights issue (marriage) of a minority group (gays) up for public vote completely circumvents this and is, to me, absolutely ludicrous (again, personal feelings on the issue aside).
I also feel it's a step towards making that last bit of the Pledge of Allegiance no longer a lie- "With liberty and justice for all." I believe "all" is pretty unambiguous.
However, I think there'll still be a ways to go before we truly are "the land of the free". We've lagged behind in civil rights basically since the beginning.
I also feel it's a step towards making that last bit of the Pledge of Allegiance no longer a lie- "With liberty and justice for all." I believe "all" is pretty unambiguous.
However, I think there'll still be a ways to go before we truly are "the land of the free". We've lagged behind in civil rights basically since the beginning.
I am straight and A guy but I am happy that this ban has been lifted, I respect if someone chooses to be gay and I believe that there should be no laaws to prevent it (its your choice) Anyone who says "Its going against God, your going to hell" really needs to start looking at the actual views of their people.
Correction, 51.5% voted against it, 48.5% voted for it. So this precedent would mean that any group could have rights taken away from them by a simple majority, which is absoloute bullshit.Konrad Curze said:
Not to mention that your entire country is built on the constitution; it can't be bad news for democracy considering you've been using it for 200 years.
ReincarnatedFTP said:
Indeed. Churches are private "businesses", so to speak. Same reason I also think that churches should not be exempt from taxing.Furious Styles said:
Democracy assumes everyone is an intelligent, good, logical, fair person.
The mere fact that prop 8 passed proves that not all people are as described above. Which is why we have governmental intervention, to slap around the idiots and to tell them just how large idiots they are.
The mere fact that prop 8 passed proves that not all people are as described above. Which is why we have governmental intervention, to slap around the idiots and to tell them just how large idiots they are.
Although they have the right to think so. But, that statement should only be able to hold up in church, otherwise they're violating people's rights.therookie95 said:
This is absolute bull.Furious Styles said:
To support gay marrige is to accept a mental disorder as "acceptable".
We should be trying to cure this disorder rather than accepting it as a part of life.
Well, as long as you and that judge think your way is better, go ahead and ignore the majority of the state, they're stupid anyways. It's just such a relief to know that one judge's opinion is instantly worth more than most of the state.ReincarnatedFTP said:
Because the rights of a minority must be protected against the tyranny of the majority. That's the stigma of democracy, and one of the reasons why courts have the ability to overturn legislation. As for why they voted, well, people are idiots. One more reason why social policy should never be left up to the public to decide. Equality for all!MrFluffy-X said:
They shouldn't have been voting on someone else's civil rights in the first place. California has a retarded referendum/proposition system that puts the stupidest things up to direct democracy.MrFluffy-X said:
To support Judaism and the Jew is to accept a mental disorder as "acceptable".lordbuxton said:
We should be trying to cure this disorder rather than accepting it as a part of life.
Sieg Heil amirite.
How, pray tell, is it a mental disorder. Go on, I'm curious to know what you think.lordbuxton said:
Unless you're being ironic, in which case you got me.
Yeah. I probably also have crazy ideas like blacks not being property or racial segregation is a bad idea even if the majority would vote for it.MoeTheMonk said:
I'm soooooooo sorry.
Meh, I dont have a personal stake by any means in it but I'm glad that gay couples can be as miserable as the rest of us now 
Lets get one thing clear.
This wasn't about civil rights.
Gays haven't been oppressed.
(not on the same level as blacks italians irish polish germans japanese chinese catholics jews handicapped or mentally disabled etc.)
As for the law being over-turned. eh
I see little use in a dispute in which both sides throw tons of money at an issue that has little to no cultural relevance and has been blown way out of proportion.
PS. California STOP STEALING MY GOLD. its bad enough your broke. don't drag everyone else down with you
This wasn't about civil rights.
Gays haven't been oppressed.
(not on the same level as blacks italians irish polish germans japanese chinese catholics jews handicapped or mentally disabled etc.)
As for the law being over-turned. eh
I see little use in a dispute in which both sides throw tons of money at an issue that has little to no cultural relevance and has been blown way out of proportion.
PS. California STOP STEALING MY GOLD. its bad enough your broke. don't drag everyone else down with you