California Gay Marriage Ban Lifted

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maturin

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There's a difference between opinion and straight up delusion, although opinions can be deluded, and delusions opinionated.

'The sky is is made of cheese' is not an opinion.
 

RatRace123

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That's damn awesome. 'Bout time another state comes to allow gay marriage. To deny people the right to live with who they love is just wrong, regardless of their sexual preference.

Good on California. Suck it haters!
 

lordbuxton

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MrFluffy-X said:
lordbuxton said:
Furious Styles said:
The title says it all, but here's a link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2010/aug/04/proposition-8-gay-marriage-california?CMP=AFCYAH

Basically, a judge found the ban was unconstitutional.

Personally, I am pretty glad they've done this. It's a victory for civil rights and just generally great (speaking as a brit).

Thoughts? I know you're all reasonably enlightened so I can't imagine much hate for this news.
This is absolute bull.

To support gay marrige is to accept a mental disorder as "acceptable".

We should be trying to cure this disorder rather than accepting it as a part of life.
mate they are going to slaughter you, but i think its a fair opinion...
The lefties ?

*laughs

To answer another point, im not being ironic, it's proven mental disorder.

You can't argue fact.
 

Sovvolf

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MrFluffy-X said:
Sovvolf said:
MrFluffy-X said:
I think thats totally irrelevant...marriage is commonly known as religous, religion rejects homosexuality, so gay marriage sounds like an oxymoron
But it isn't an oxymoron because marriage has nothing to do with religion. Just because it's commonly known as religious doesn't make it so. Facts aren't decided by popular vote.

Also it's completely relevant because you stated that marriage is religious and has always been religious when I've just proven that it wasn't and isn't.
What are you talking about? words change/add meanings all the time take the word gay for example, i admit i shouldnt have said always, i was wrong there.
The word hasn't changed in meaning. Marriage is still an act of bondage between lovers and is still used as a means of sharing wealth and land and other proxies. You still don't have to go to a church to get married. And marriage still isn't an exclusively religious act. So by that... it's not an oxymoron.
 

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Furious Styles said:
lordbuxton said:
This is absolute bull.
To support gay marrige is to accept a mental disorder as "acceptable".
We should be trying to cure this disorder rather than accepting it as a part of life.
How, pray tell, is it a mental disorder. Go on, I'm curious to know what you think.

Unless you're being ironic, in which case you got me.
Homosexuality was considered a mental disease by the American Psychiatric Association (or a group like that) at some point, but they have since reversed their stance on it. I don't think he was being ironic, but I think he was referring to that.
 

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lordbuxton said:
This is absolute bull.

To support gay marrige is to accept a mental disorder as "acceptable".

We should be trying to cure this disorder rather than accepting it as a part of life.
I see that you're in need of an avatar. Might I suggest one?

 

Escapefromwhatever

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lordbuxton said:
MrFluffy-X said:
lordbuxton said:
Furious Styles said:
The title says it all, but here's a link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2010/aug/04/proposition-8-gay-marriage-california?CMP=AFCYAH

Basically, a judge found the ban was unconstitutional.

Personally, I am pretty glad they've done this. It's a victory for civil rights and just generally great (speaking as a brit).

Thoughts? I know you're all reasonably enlightened so I can't imagine much hate for this news.
This is absolute bull.

To support gay marrige is to accept a mental disorder as "acceptable".

We should be trying to cure this disorder rather than accepting it as a part of life.
mate they are going to slaughter you, but i think its a fair opinion...
The lefties ?

*laughs

To answer another point, im not being ironic, it's proven mental disorder.

You can't argue fact.
Mmmhmm. Tell me how trying to cure love, or trying to force people to find a certain gender attractive works, kay?

As for your "proven mental disorder" statement, I'd like to see this proof. Homosexuality was removed from the mental disability section of the Psychiatric Standards of Care a loooong time ago.
 

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lordbuxton said:
Furious Styles said:
The title says it all, but here's a link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2010/aug/04/proposition-8-gay-marriage-california?CMP=AFCYAH

Basically, a judge found the ban was unconstitutional.

Personally, I am pretty glad they've done this. It's a victory for civil rights and just generally great (speaking as a brit).

Thoughts? I know you're all reasonably enlightened so I can't imagine much hate for this news.
This is absolute bull.

To support gay marrige is to accept a mental disorder as "acceptable".

We should be trying to cure this disorder rather than accepting it as a part of life.
Actually, homosexuality was removed from the DSM by the American Psychiatric Association way back in 1973. So yeh, it hasn't been a "mental disorder" for over 35 years now, probably longer than you've been alive.
 

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I'm glad, but until all appeals, stays, and the now almost inevitable progression to the Supreme Court of the United States are resolved (please allow 4-6 years for delivery...), I don't know that the decision will make a huge difference in actual rights.

For those who are unclear, Proposition 8 appears to have been declared unconstitutional under Section One of the Fourteenth Amendment ("...No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States... nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.") ...Which seems fairly pat to me, unless you buy into the joys of "But gay people have every right to marry people of the opposite sex, too!", which seems to me rather like suggesting that people who are deathly allergic to nuts shouldn't feel excluded or singled out just because every item in the buffet is cooked in peanut oil.
 

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ReincarnatedFTP said:
MoeTheMonk said:
ReincarnatedFTP said:
MoeTheMonk said:
Once again, one judge overrules the will of the people. What a great world this is.
I bet you were just as upset when those damn judges said slavery and segregation and anti-miscegenation laws were wrong.
Damn activist judges and their refusal to stomp on the rights of the minority because the majority feels like it.
Well, as long as you and that judge think your way is better, go ahead and ignore the majority of the state, they're stupid anyways. It's just such a relief to know that one judge's opinion is instantly worth more than most of the state.
Yeah. I probably also have crazy ideas like blacks not being property or racial segregation is a bad idea even if the majority would vote for it.
I'm soooooooo sorry.
The issue is not what's important, what matters is that a single judge can overrule the majority with one swing of the gavel.
If those stupid, misguided, close-minded, bigoted idiots want themselves a gay-marriage ban, then they should have it without worrying that ONE judge with contrary opinion is their equal in terms of the law.
 

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MrFluffy-X said:
mate they are going to slaughter you, but i think its a fair opinion...
It's not. It's grossly offensive and archaic. In fact, I'd classify it as so fantastically unintelligent and brutish, it's quite beyond contempt.
 

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To add on to my other point.

You are born gay, it's not a choice. The makeup of the brain determines sexuality and seen as the human body is designed to survie and reproduce as Darwin says, then it's a disorder that impairs the bodies goals and thus it's as much as a disability as been blind.
 

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SuperMse said:
Mmmhmm. Tell me how trying to cure love, or trying to force people to find a certain gender attractive works, kay?

As for your "proven mental disorder" statement, I'd like to see this proof. Homosexuality was removed from the mental disability section of the Psychiatric Standards of Care a loooong time ago.
Looking at the posters history... He joined today and most of his comments are all anti-gay comments linking it to a mental illness... I'm saying either ill informed or a troll. I'd just report and move on. I doubt this fellow is going to be up for reasoning... Though I've been wrong before.

lordbuxton said:
To add on to my other point.

You are born gay, it's not a choice. The makeup of the brain determines sexuality and seen as the human body is designed to survie and reproduce as Darwin says, then it's a disorder that impairs the bodies goals and thus it's as much as a disability as been blind.
That's actually a much better arguement... I disagree... But it's an improvement on your earlier comments.
 

lordbuxton

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MatsVS said:
MrFluffy-X said:
mate they are going to slaughter you, but i think its a fair opinion...
It's not. It's grossly offensive and archaic. In fact, I'd classify it as so fantastically unintelligent and brutish, it's quite beyond contempt.
ah, an elitist Guardian reader.
 

ReincarnatedFTP

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MoeTheMonk said:
ReincarnatedFTP said:
MoeTheMonk said:
ReincarnatedFTP said:
MoeTheMonk said:
Once again, one judge overrules the will of the people. What a great world this is.
I bet you were just as upset when those damn judges said slavery and segregation and anti-miscegenation laws were wrong.
Damn activist judges and their refusal to stomp on the rights of the minority because the majority feels like it.
Well, as long as you and that judge think your way is better, go ahead and ignore the majority of the state, they're stupid anyways. It's just such a relief to know that one judge's opinion is instantly worth more than most of the state.
Yeah. I probably also have crazy ideas like blacks not being property or racial segregation is a bad idea even if the majority would vote for it.
I'm soooooooo sorry.
The issue is not what's important, what matters is that a single judge can overrule the majority with one swing of the gavel.
If those stupid, misguided, close-minded, bigoted idiots want themselves a gay-marriage ban, then they should have it without worrying that ONE judge with contrary opinion is their equal in terms of the law.
Oh so you're a believer in direct democracy who would support executing people who happened to be born with green eyes if the people supported the measure.
We're just gonna have to disagree.
America is a democratic-republic, not a direct democracy.
 

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lordbuxton said:
To add on to my other point.

You are born gay, it's not a choice. The makeup of the brain determines sexuality and seen as the human body is designed to survie and reproduce as Darwin says, then it's a disorder that impairs the bodies goals and thus it's as much as a disability as been blind.
So you're saying that blind people shouldn't be allowed to marry?
 

Furious Styles

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lordbuxton said:
To add on to my other point.

You are born gay, it's not a choice. The makeup of the brain determines sexuality and seen as the human body is designed to survie and reproduce as Darwin says, then it's a disorder that impairs the bodies goals and thus it's as much as a disability as been blind.
But being a complete and utter asshole is also an impairs your chances of mating....

Are you disabled, therefore?

edit:- also, you're more or less admitting that its incurable. i mean, who can cure genetics?
 

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Sovvolf said:
SuperMse said:
Mmmhmm. Tell me how trying to cure love, or trying to force people to find a certain gender attractive works, kay?

As for your "proven mental disorder" statement, I'd like to see this proof. Homosexuality was removed from the mental disability section of the Psychiatric Standards of Care a loooong time ago.
Looking at the posters history... He joined today and most of his comments are all anti-gay comments linking it to a mental illness... I'm saying either ill informed or a troll. I'd just report and move on. I doubt this fellow is going to be up for reasoning... Though I've been wrong before.
Not all my comments, broken no rules any way.

From the looks of this thread it seems i am the only one using logic and reason.