California Gay Marriage Ban Lifted

Recommended Videos

lordbuxton

New member
Aug 5, 2010
60
0
0
Homosexuality is caused by a recessive gene and we should be trying to remove it from the human gene pool, just like we would remove genes that caused austism. We should not be accepting it.
 

Bon_Clay

New member
Aug 5, 2010
744
0
0
lordbuxton said:
warboss5 said:
lordbuxton said:
To add on to my other point.

You are born gay, it's not a choice. The makeup of the brain determines sexuality and seen as the human body is designed to survie and reproduce as Darwin says, then it's a disorder that impairs the bodies goals and thus it's as much as a disability as been blind.
Actually, under that definition, its not a mental disorder, its a unfavorable mutation. Now, if humans were an animal species, then Darwinian logic would state that the "gay gene" would die out because it is, by its very nature, incapable of being passed on. However, humanity hasn't obeyed Darwinian evolution laws since we learned round things roll when pushed. Humanity is NOT an animal, so the rules of evolution no longer apply to us (for the most part). If every aspect of human culture that wasn't actively contributing towards beneficial evolutionary steps was considered a mental disease, then people who are sexually attracted to people with little body hair would have a mental disorder (since greater body hair would lead to greater heat retention and, therefore, greater survivability in cold climates).

So no, using Darwin as an excuse to classify something as a mental disorder is just plain wrong. Especially when damn near the entire psychiatric community disagrees with you.
you are wrong I am right.

The entire psychiatric community ? You mean 8 or so liberals who have spent half a hour on wiki ?

You said your self, "it's a unfavorable mutation" and we should be trying to cure these munations, just like we are trying to remove mutations that increase the chances of cancer.
Lol ok I literally had to make an account after 2 years of lurking cause this is just silly. Why exactly should homosexuality be weeded out of the gene pool? In a time where we have overpopulation and plenty of children needing to be adopted, couples that can't on their own have children are quite beneficial to the human race actually.
 

ChazzBurger

New member
Mar 2, 2010
13
0
0
To lordbuxton

The fact that this guy uses the comeback "you are wrong i am right" signifies that he is, indeed, a troll of gigartiantic proportions.

"The entire psychiatric community ? You mean 8 or so liberals who have spent half a hour on wiki ?" Well, if those 8 liberals are the whole community, then yes, the whole community does agree.

And have you ever heard of the argument "Nature vs Nurture?"

Edit "Nature vs Nurture" instead of or, sorry ^^
 

Wade Wilson

New member
Jun 21, 2009
18
0
0
warboss5 said:
lordbuxton said:
derp derp dee didili derp deee derp
Now, if humans were an animal species, then Darwinian logic would state that the "gay gene" would die out because it is, by its very nature, incapable of being passed on. However, humanity hasn't obeyed Darwinian evolution laws since we learned round things roll when pushed. Humanity is NOT an animal, so the rules of evolution no longer apply to us (for the most part).
Actually, homosexuality has not been eradicated from animals that are still subject to the full spectrum of environmental pressures (i.e. animals other than humans).

Homosexuality is well documented in hundreds of species of non-human animals, despite natural selection.

Edit: How rude of me! I forgot to even acknowledge the source of this thread's origin.
My bad.

Anyway, I'll sum up my reaction in one word: HURRAY!
 

Kurokami

New member
Feb 23, 2009
2,352
0
0
saintchristopher said:
MrFluffy-X said:
Furious Styles said:
The title says it all, but here's a link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2010/aug/04/proposition-8-gay-marriage-california?CMP=AFCYAH

Basically, a judge found the ban was unconstitutional.

Personally, I am pretty glad they've done this. It's a victory for civil rights and just generally great (speaking as a brit).

Thoughts? I know you're all reasonably enlightened so I can't imagine much hate for this news.
I believe gay marriage is wrong, that is just my opinion, Its just sounds like an oxymoron to me
Why? All it means is two people are now taxed as a unit and have new medical/legal proxies.
Wow, you know I didn't believe in marriage at all until I saw your comment :eek:.
 

MGlBlaze

New member
Oct 28, 2009
1,079
0
0
warboss5 said:
lordbuxton said:
To add on to my other point.

You are born gay, it's not a choice. The makeup of the brain determines sexuality and seen as the human body is designed to survie and reproduce as Darwin says, then it's a disorder that impairs the bodies goals and thus it's as much as a disability as been blind.
Actually, under that definition, its not a mental disorder, its a unfavorable mutation. Now, if humans were an animal species, then Darwinian logic would state that the "gay gene" would die out because it is, by its very nature, incapable of being passed on. However, humanity hasn't obeyed Darwinian evolution laws since we learned round things roll when pushed. Humanity is NOT an animal, so the rules of evolution no longer apply to us (for the most part). If every aspect of human culture that wasn't actively contributing towards beneficial evolutionary steps was considered a mental disease, then people who are sexually attracted to people with little body hair would have a mental disorder (since greater body hair would lead to greater heat retention and, therefore, greater survivability in cold climates).

So no, using Darwin as an excuse to classify something as a mental disorder is just plain wrong. Especially when damn near the entire psychiatric community disagrees with you.
Besides, I'm fairly certain that usually homosexuality is caused by overexposure to certain hormones while the foetus is still developing in the womb, not genetics so I don't think Darwin's theories even apply here, do they? I could be wrong, though.
 

Pariahwulfen

New member
Mar 23, 2010
121
0
0
lordbuxton said:
Homosexuality is caused by a recessive gene and we should be trying to remove it from the human gene pool, just like we would remove genes that caused austism. We should not be accepting it.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,368541,00.html [http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,368541,00.html]

A mutation that increases fertility is just plain awesome.
 

Godhead

Dib dib dib, dob dob dob.
May 25, 2009
1,692
0
0
Sinisterspider said:
I'm so glad i don't live in the states. not with all the bile everyone seems to be swimming in over there.
I'm actually currently on the high ground. However the bile has been progressing very rapidly of late.
 

ShadowsofHope

Outsider
Nov 1, 2009
2,623
0
0
RebellionXXI said:
lordbuxton said:
Furious Styles said:
The title says it all, but here's a link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2010/aug/04/proposition-8-gay-marriage-california?CMP=AFCYAH

Basically, a judge found the ban was unconstitutional.

Personally, I am pretty glad they've done this. It's a victory for civil rights and just generally great (speaking as a brit).

Thoughts? I know you're all reasonably enlightened so I can't imagine much hate for this news.
This is absolute bull.

To support gay marrige is to accept a mental disorder as "acceptable".

We should be trying to cure this disorder rather than accepting it as a part of life.

Hmm, all-one-word-all-lowercase handle with only four posts?

http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv215/Luckybug76/Picture1-7.png

That said, I'm glad this went through. Just because homosexuality makes some (even most) people uncomfortable doesn't mean it's wrong, and doesn't mean it's okay to treat gays and lesbians like second-class citizens.

And talking about developing 'cures' for any kind of psychological 'abnormality' is a dangerous proposition for everyone.

For example, here's an article talking about the discovery of a so-called 'faith gene'.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/16378.php

So, technically, we could start research into gene therapy to 'cure' people like the congregation of the Westboro Baptist Church, who are arguably more dangerous and hated than homosexuals. But why stop there? Why not bomb the middle-east with a biological agent that does nothing but disable this 'faith gene' in its victims, and all your worries about radical Islam are officially over! Sure, you annihilate an entire faith and thousands of years of culture, but because the majority of the world wants it, it must be alright!

Frankly, I'd rather not live in a world where people are 'cured' of things like homosexuality. Escapists, remember, before you support something radical like this, always take a moment to imagine how your opposition would use it against YOU, because they probably will.
..Thank you for more or less posting what I was about to say.

The troll fails at intelligence. And apparently thinks everything against him is "liberal agenda". Ignore him, it hurts to pay attention.
 

Woodsey

New member
Aug 9, 2009
14,553
0
0
lordbuxton said:
Furious Styles said:
The title says it all, but here's a link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2010/aug/04/proposition-8-gay-marriage-california?CMP=AFCYAH

Basically, a judge found the ban was unconstitutional.

Personally, I am pretty glad they've done this. It's a victory for civil rights and just generally great (speaking as a brit).

Thoughts? I know you're all reasonably enlightened so I can't imagine much hate for this news.
This is absolute bull.

To support gay marrige is to accept a mental disorder as "acceptable".

We should be trying to cure this disorder rather than accepting it as a part of life.
To listen to your moronic views is to drive valued, logical brain cells to commit suicide.

If you liked living in the 50s why didn't you stay there, Gramps?

OT: America, land of the free!*

*[small]As long as you're white, straight, and live in the correct state! And aren't Muslim whatever you do.[/small]

Seriously though, this is good news. I'm still annoyed it's not just called marriage over here instead of being a 'civil partnership'. Still, I suppose that's not really the most important thing.
 

warboss5

New member
Mar 17, 2010
37
0
0
RE: Homosexuality in animals

Yes, I had heard numerous stories about homosexual animal couples, but I figured it would be easier just to address "human evolution" in my response :)
 

lordbuxton

New member
Aug 5, 2010
60
0
0
RebellionXXI said:
lordbuxton said:
Furious Styles said:
The title says it all, but here's a link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2010/aug/04/proposition-8-gay-marriage-california?CMP=AFCYAH

Basically, a judge found the ban was unconstitutional.

Personally, I am pretty glad they've done this. It's a victory for civil rights and just generally great (speaking as a brit).

Thoughts? I know you're all reasonably enlightened so I can't imagine much hate for this news.
This is absolute bull.

To support gay marrige is to accept a mental disorder as "acceptable".

We should be trying to cure this disorder rather than accepting it as a part of life.

Hmm, all-one-word-all-lowercase handle with only four posts?

http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv215/Luckybug76/Picture1-7.png

That said, I'm glad this went through. Just because homosexuality makes some (even most) people uncomfortable doesn't mean it's wrong, and doesn't mean it's okay to treat gays and lesbians like second-class citizens.

And talking about developing 'cures' for any kind of psychological 'abnormality' is a dangerous proposition for everyone.

For example, here's an article talking about the discovery of a so-called 'faith gene'.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/16378.php

So, technically, we could start research into gene therapy to 'cure' people like the congregation of the Westboro Baptist Church, who are arguably more dangerous and hated than homosexuals. But why stop there? Why not bomb the middle-east with a biological agent that does nothing but disable this 'faith gene' in its victims, and all your worries about radical Islam are officially over! Sure, you annihilate an entire faith and thousands of years of culture, but because the majority of the world wants it, it must be alright!

Frankly, I'd rather not live in a world where people are 'cured' of things like homosexuality. Escapists, remember, before you support something radical like this, always take a moment to imagine how your opposition would use it against YOU, because they probably will.
Wow, typical liberal blowing what i say out of absoulte reason. I mean a faith gene ?

Gene therapy does need more research, but it still does not justify accepting homosexuality as normal.
 

Maze1125

New member
Oct 14, 2008
1,679
0
0
lordbuxton said:
just like we would remove genes that caused austism. We should not be accepting it.
A large number of prominent historical minds all had traits of autism.
If you'd removed all the genes for it from the gene pool those minds would not have existed and we would be scientifically poorer for it.

Assuming for a moment that you're actually serious, you have a very short-sighted view of evolution and genetics.
 

ChazzBurger

New member
Mar 2, 2010
13
0
0
The Lost Big Boss said:
MrFluffy-X said:
51.5% voted against it, 48.5% voted for it? why did people vote if it didnt matter?
Because we live in a Republic and not a Democracy. If we were in a Democracy than it would be majority rule all, all the time, aka tyranny of the many, but thats not the case in America.
MrFluffy-X said:
lordbuxton said:
Furious Styles said:
The title says it all, but here's a link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2010/aug/04/proposition-8-gay-marriage-california?CMP=AFCYAH

Basically, a judge found the ban was unconstitutional.

Personally, I am pretty glad they've done this. It's a victory for civil rights and just generally great (speaking as a brit).

Thoughts? I know you're all reasonably enlightened so I can't imagine much hate for this news.
Give this man a cookie

This is absolute bull.

To support gay marrige is to accept a mental disorder as "acceptable".

We should be trying to cure this disorder rather than accepting it as a part of life.
mate they are going to slaughter you, but i think its a fair opinion...
Right, ill cast the first stone...

Who are you to decide who should and shouldn't love each other? who is anyone to decide for another person who they can and can't be with. It's fuck heads like you that bring the world down, it's fuck heads like you that feel you have the authority to tell my family members how to live their life. You sir can fuck right off.
Give this man a cookie
 

-Drifter-

New member
Jun 9, 2009
2,521
0
0
lordbuxton said:
Homosexuality is caused by a recessive gene and we should be trying to remove it from the human gene pool, just like we would remove genes that caused austism. We should not be accepting it.
Oh, now I see. You're a Nazi.

Yeah, yeah, I know. Godwin's law.
 

MGlBlaze

New member
Oct 28, 2009
1,079
0
0
lordbuxton said:
Homosexuality is caused by a recessive gene and we should be trying to remove it from the human gene pool, just like we would remove genes that caused austism. We should not be accepting it.
I resent the 'Autism' remark. I could start saying a lot of hateful things right now, but I won't. I'm simply going to say you are an incredibly ignorant individual.

Also that I would like you to leave. Immediately. I already know you're not going to listen to that, though.
 

Arcane Azmadi

New member
Jan 23, 2009
1,232
0
0
MoeTheMonk said:
ReincarnatedFTP said:
MoeTheMonk said:
ReincarnatedFTP said:
MoeTheMonk said:
Once again, one judge overrules the will of the people. What a great world this is.
I bet you were just as upset when those damn judges said slavery and segregation and anti-miscegenation laws were wrong.
Damn activist judges and their refusal to stomp on the rights of the minority because the majority feels like it.
Well, as long as you and that judge think your way is better, go ahead and ignore the majority of the state, they're stupid anyways. It's just such a relief to know that one judge's opinion is instantly worth more than most of the state.
Yeah. I probably also have crazy ideas like blacks not being property or racial segregation is a bad idea even if the majority would vote for it.
I'm soooooooo sorry.
The issue is not what's important, what matters is that a single judge can overrule the majority with one swing of the gavel.
If those stupid, misguided, close-minded, bigoted idiots want themselves a gay-marriage ban, then they should have it without worrying that ONE judge with contrary opinion is their equal in terms of the law.
Let me ask you a one word question: WHY?!?!?!

WHY should "stupid, misguided, close-minded, bigoted idiots" be the ones to make the decisions? And what the hell do you mean "The issue is not what's important"? That is just PHENOMENALLY stupid and you really should have thought about what you were saying for 3 seconds before you shot your mouth off.

You may have been attempting to use sarcasm (badly) but you made the perfectly good strawman point that a lot of the people in favour of oppressing homosexuals ARE stupid and SHOULD be ignored by a judge with the power to see clearly. Of course he's fucking smart- he's a judge. You need more to get that position than 3 years experience behind a McDonalds counter.

Its comments like this that make me wonder what kind of lemming puts more faith is the judgement of a dozen hooting retards than a single intelligent man. You're saying that it's better that wrong prevails over right as long as wrong has the majority? That almost makes me feel like invoking Godwin's Law. You're basically invoking mob rule- "The majority wants it, so that is how it should be!" Grow up.
 

ReverendJ

New member
Mar 18, 2009
140
0
0
Wow.... where to begin...?

1. 'Activist judge' people: Have we heard of 'checks and balances'? The whole damn point of the judiciary is to smack down unconstitutional laws. That's why they're a whole branch of government unto themselves, as opposed to being under the Justice Department (and thus subject to the executive). It's also why they're appointed as opposed to elected: To protect them from the whims of populism.

2. If it's not affecting you directly, then it shouldn't be your concern. The 'land of the free' rhetoric means just that. I don't get to push you around, you don't get to push me around. We pass laws, true, but in theory those laws should be protecting people (i.e. theft is illegal), as opposed to telling people they can't do something because we don't like it (i.e. no blue hats for anyone). Nobody has a valid objection to gays unless they're the sort of person who're overly concerned with the moral fiber of their neighbors. I suppose there's an argument for the decreased revenues that joint filing would result it, but that's a prejudicial viewpoint. By that logic, it would be ok to tax whites more than blacks.

3. Lordbuxton: Hahahahahahahahahaha. Wow. I'm going to let the rest of the community handle you and your views. One note I would like to make, however, is that psychological disorders are defined solely by what we consider 'normal' behavior, which varies radically from culture to culture. I'm sure a lot of people would consider the amount of time we all spend here abnormal, and if pushed far enough 'gaming' could be considered a disorder in and of itself. In this country in particular, however, the psychiatric community has decided that homosexuality falls within the range of normal behavior and as such is no longer defined as a disorder.
 

Maze1125

New member
Oct 14, 2008
1,679
0
0
warboss5 said:
Now, if humans were an animal species, then Darwinian logic would state that the "gay gene" would die out because it is, by its very nature, incapable of being passed on.
Actually, a recessive homosexuality gene could be of benefit to a species by ensuring a passive statistical population control where a certain percentage of the species does not reproduce.

MGlBlaze said:
Besides, I'm fairly certain that usually homosexuality is caused by overexposure to certain hormones while the foetus is still developing in the womb, not genetics so I don't think Darwin's theories even apply here, do they? I could be wrong, though.
Those hormones are, ultimately, controlled by the woman's genetics, and as such evolution would still have an effect even if it was more subtle.