HyenaThePirate said:
Dexiro said:
HyenaThePirate said:
Dexiro said:
I'm not arguing against your opinion, i just think you're being a little harsh xD
Be honest, have you ever met a gay person? The majority are no different than anyone else.
You know your best friend, anyone you work with, the average passerby in the street, they could be gay without giving the slightest hint. It just seems a bit harsh that you'd suddenly distance yourself once you found out about a tiny harmless fact.
Imagine if your best friend suddenly cut off all communications with you just because you liked apples, it wouldn't be nice D:
I wouldn't like it, but wouldn't I have to accept it? I certainly wouldn't want to be forced to suddenly eating apples just to appease him. So its his perogative. He can cut communications and I'll go on disliking apples, which is one solution that resolves the situation. It is probably the most peaceful of solutions as well, because the alternative would be to either force me to like apples, or force him to be my friend, and forcing anybody to do anything they don't like isn't right no matter what side you find yourself on.
I'm not sure you read my post properly, one of us is getting confused here xD
The point is you wouldn't be forced to do anything by associating with gay people.
Lets say you distanced yourself from anyone that liked apples. Now a great friend of yours reveals that he likes apples. His liking apples isn't actually affecting you at all though so is it really a good enough reason to distance yourself from him? He's essentially the same person he was before you found out about his apple love afterall!
If you're distancing yourself from flamboyant "unicorns and rainbows" type of gay person then i totally understand you finding it uncomfortable, I'm gay and even i avoid the annoying flamboyant type.
For most gay people though their sexuality is no different for someone's love of apples. I'd just hate to see you or anyone else lose a friend over something so small.
Oh I got your point. And it made very good sense. But, as I said, it comes down to a person's personal convictions. If I made it a private policy to distance myself from anyone who liked apples, and a friend of mine reveals that he likes apples, what impetus would I have to suddenly reverse that policy I have lived by for so long? At that point, the question would be if the particular FRIEND is worth enough to overlook his apple love affair. Some people don't have the capacity to do that. I certainly don't in some aspects.
For example, I believe in God. If I had a friend that did not believe in God, in fact revealed that he was a very staunch atheist, then would not my decision to remain friends with him be based upon my consideration of his worth to me as well as his consideration of my worth to him? His actions would carry a considerable amount of weight, for example, if he began to constantly thumb his nose at religion or make statements that would be considered insulting or had a very "anti-religion" behavior, even if he treated me like his only dear kid brother I'd have deep reservations about associating with such a person. But if I ever said "I'll have to pray about about that" and he was supportive in my beliefs or in the least refrained from making a statement about the futility of prayer or what have you, then perhaps the friendship could be salvaged in some capacity.
I think thats where this gay issue lies currently. If gays kept their personal business and thoughts to themselves and anti-gays did the same, there would be no issue. If they got married or civil unioned or whatever and it was just something between their partners and themselves then fine. But if they expect everyone to be joyed about it and celebrate their marriage as if they were a heterosexual couple, they may run into a problem... that is asking a lot of people, especially over a subject that is uncomfortable at best to some and absolutely reviled at worst by others.
But there is another side of this... the "friend's" side. What right does my "Friend" who loves apples have to demand that I know, accept, and understand his apple love affair? If they know my feelings on apples, why would he need to even bring up his love of apples to me? Why not keep it personal? I don't need to know the details of him eating apples, nor is there a need to share them so that creates a problem on the other end of the spectrum.
I think that might be another possible key to why this whole gay marriage thing is an issue to begin with... because while some may view it as a private, personal thing that they have the right to do, there is that flamboyant element that even YOU admit you dislike that feel the need to draw attention to themselves as if who they are sleeping with, how, and why is important to anyone other than themselves. If you like same sex sex, then go right ahead, go down a storm, and do whatever tickles your fancy. But don't expect in fact don't INSIST that others like it too or must be tolerant when you flaunt it to them.
People need to learn how to behave in a society again... I think we've all embraced this idea of "anarchy" where you and YOUR beliefs and feelings are supposed to matter to people and should be shouted out publically at every opportunity. This just isn't so.
Besides, maybe if gay people found me cuter than the girls that reject me, I might be more receptive to them. Just a little humor
to lighten a heavy block of rhetoric.
This is exactly the view I have on the subject. Personal opinions aside, I believe gay people go out of their way to draw attention on themselves sometimes.
Personal opinions now... I'm also sickened by the many other people who title themselves as superior because their views agree with the current progressive thinking. Not only so, many other people even undermine and denigrate the idea of rejecting gay marriage. Surely, rulings such as these determine progress towards certain viewpoints, however, these viewpoints are not necessarily the most beneficial. Progress towards a direction does not always mean progress towards the correct direction. I believe many people here that post would receive a great deal of moderation if they even dared to call a "bigot" someone who openly supported gay marriage. Nevertheless, gay marriage supporters put down negative comments like these against the "public" that does not support their ideas. I don't believe in conservative and liberal ideologies, certainly, all differing ideas are just that, different.
I am a person who has studied and even given hour-long talks and informational sessions about the concept of homosexuality. I'll have to admit it is quite easy for the public to speculate and generate opinion about the matter by listening to what the media says and what "leading" opinion-makers discourse, gay people included. I would even say the general public does not a concrete, solid idea on what the matter really deals with. I have read probably too many scientific articles and research papers on the matter. I have spoken and conversed with gay people, I have dealt with them and even recently had a gay roommate. I read and studied the works of psychologists, sociologists, and doctors who specialized in defining what homosexuality really is, and I'll have to admit it is easy to spot others who do not have a broad depth of knowledge on the subject.
What I intended with the previous paragraph was to show that I am not just blabbering off with my opinion. I try to keep my thoughts as unbiased as possible on this matter, mostly because some people can be sensitive towards it, and because in order to fully understand a debatable subject, you have to know both sides of the story.
Homosexuality, in my opinion, is not normal. It is natural, if by natural you mean that nature "allows it" and that it occurs in nature. In addition, it is not close to being the majority. From what I have studied, it is a deeply intricate problem of the human psyche; which has been recently worsened by society. Do note that even though a problem does not interfere with a person's ability to perform well in society, this does not mean the problem itself is not there. Of course the APA declared it was not a mental disorder, but the circumstances and history surrounding that council are sketchy at best. In recent times, numerous sociological processes began to exacerbate the condition. It became a statement to be gay. Gay people were persecuted, incriminated, and martyred. However, during the modern era of telecommunications and globalization, these processes were not controlled in the least, but rather exaggerated. It is through society that being gay has become a problem, and because of the kind of society that we live in, it has become a problem to even try to revert it. Now gay people who try to become straight are persecuted! Gay people now hear that they must embrace their condition and accept it; they must flaunt it, even if it is discreetly. If they have homosexual urges, they must be true to themselves and choose to follow them. Of course there is a lot more to this, but that is the main idea.
Basically, to me, someone who considers himself a homosexual is no different as a person as someone who has ADD.
I also find it pointless to declare that gay people are more successful, productive, competitive, safe, open, intelligent, and more beneficial to society. Why? Because nothing less is expected. Just because they are gay they should not receive any spotlight or special attention. They should be as good members of society as everyone else is. They are not crippled in any way, they are not physically ill in any way, they are not handicapped in any way (from being homosexuals), and thus, they should perform as well or better than any other member of society. Many people approach the issue and set up "Gay vs. Straight" comparisons, but I'm sure if they had looked far enough, they would have found even more straight people that perform just as well or better than gay people.
In conclusion, I would have to remind (and thank) any kind reader who actually finished reading my post, that this is my opinion. I think it is an educated opinion due to the amount of background that I have personally studied and dealt with. I would also like to say that this is an issue that deals with more areas than the ones presently discussed. I would also encourage people to educate themselves and study this subject further and deeper before formulating opinions of their own, and to search the truth within this topic rather than listen to the media and society and generate opinions from it.
