California Marijuana Regulation Act of 2010

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Kortney

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I agree with Glen Beck on the issue. (Strange I know).

Because really - marijuana isn't illegal. The amount of times I've seen coppers just give people warnings or in most cases, not do anything when someone is smoking a joint right near them is amazing. Beck is right, if you want to make it illegal - than make it illegal. Enforce it. The system most Western countries have now is just this half illegal half legal system and it's not doing any good.
 

Dexiro

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I think the problem with Marijuana is the social impacts rather than health. It might not be as damaging to your health but the effects on your behaviour are much more noticeable, there's probably a worry of an increase in people walking around stoned all the time.

There's a worry that it acts as a gateway drug too. While not being too harmful itself it could lead to some people moving onto more dangerous drugs.

I'm neutral towards it being legalized personally, it's not something that affects me massively either way.
 

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Ldude893 said:
It's as if my hometown of Hong Kong started to legalize Opium again. Bloody insane.
I'm not against opium. Sure, heroin, yes, but smoking as close to right out of the fields as possible I have no problems with. Coleridge's works are awesome. It'd be cool to have soemthign that actually works for toothaches too.

Hopefully I move to Cali or Ohio gets off its conservative, backwards ass and follows suit.
 

xXAsherahXx

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That guy realizes that you only have to invert one frame and you know what he looks like, right?

I do think that Marijuana should be legalized though. I don't smoke it, but alcohol is deadlier, and only harmful to the smoker. It should be illegal to operate machinery while under the influence of weed just like with alcohol.
 

silent-treatment

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I love my state sometimes. Id bet that this is gonna pass (hell i don't smoke and i'm going to vote yes) and other stupid "liberal" props will pass like the animal abuse prop back in 2008. But damn try to let the gays get married everyone gets all conservative. California has very bad priorities.
 

Maheemo

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Marijuana should be legal, it's less toxic than both alcohol and tobacco and they are both legal.
 

Guitarmasterx7

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I've written a whole entire essay on this matter, so since I don't think any of you would like to read it nor do i want to retype the whole basic idea I'll just put the main points.

-Keeping marijuana illegal requires a huge budgetary investment

-Legalizing marijuana would bring in a large amount of tax revenue

(remember that recession? Yeah, less money spent+more money made+more jobs created would probably be good towards fixing that. Especially since California has the highest State deficit in the country as well as one of the highest populations. Also, we have overcrowded prisons in California. Sounds like just what we need.)

-Keeping marijuana illegal means that any money spent on it goes directly to drug dealers and cartels. Marijuana is by far the most commonly used drug in America, and is probably responsible for a very high percentage of the cartel's income.

-The two counterarguments are "drugs are bad" and "People who are high will do something that puts themselves/others in danger." The former is projected morality, which yields no positive results to the people who don't want to smoke weed and restricts the freedom to the people that do want to smoke weed. ("I won't eat McDonalds so it should be illegal to eat McDonalds.") In the situation of the latter, if hypothetically someone where to drive high, the problem is not that they where high, it's that they chose to drive. I'm positive if weed was legalized that doing such things would still be illegal.

-Marijuana is extremely easy to obtain anyways, and anybody who wants to do it can find a way to get it. "According to the 2008 National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH), an estimated 102 million Americans aged 12 or older have tried marijuana at least once in their lifetimes, representing 41% of the U.S. population in that age group." Plain and simple, keeping marijuana illegal does NOT prevent the usage of the drug.

So basically in the end legalizing marijuana would let us stop spending money and start making money off of something that people already do.
 

dlawnro

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I think this prop getting passed is a little iffy, especially considering Prop 8 wasn't and I pretty sure I've met more anti-weed people than anti-gay-marriage. That being said, I don't think legalizing weed will really be quite the Pandora's Box so many believe it will. I have a friend who works with police/fire departments and she put it in an interesting light. She said something to the effect of: "Drinking and driving can make you drive down the street at 90 miles an hour in the wrong direction. Weed doesn't do that. You're more likely to see someone driving high going 20 miles an hour"
I support (or at least am indifferent to) legalization for many of the reasons stated above: very few damaging effects; being illegal, it draws people to crime; dealers usually cut it with a lot of scary shit; it could bring in a shit ton in taxes, as well as providing legal jobs selling it which could help our shit economy; it would massively undercut funding to criminal enterprises.
My genius idea is to get the tax money from pot to fund our schools, which are massively in the shitter right now. And hoo-bloody-ray, I get to go to a public university here in California. It would also cut a lot of spending for law enforcement and the prisons which someone (who I'm too lazy to look for and quote) said are trying to get as many people as possible arrested. To this I call bullshit. The last thing our prison systems need right now is more prisoners. They are already understaffed and overcrowded as it is. Plus, throwing small, nonviolent offenders in with hardened murderers and gangbangers is great...if you want to make more murderers and gangbangers.
However, I am against legalizing pretty much any "hard" drugs because they are incredibly physically harmful and can really fuck people up. Those kinds of drugs (heroin, coke, meth, etc.) are the kinds of things that can get you addicted or kill you THE FIRST TIME YOU USE THEM.* That means that a drug like that could potentially fuck up someone who is just trying them to see what it's like. There's really no reason shit like that should be legal.
*Yeah, I know it's unlikely, but it is still a possibility
EDIT: Oh yeah, and I believe that there should be a fairly high tax on it, but that it should still be reasonably priced. If not, people will just keep going back to their dealers who will continue to obtain pot illegally (I.e. through cartels and cut with dead babies and narwhal tears) if they can sell it at a rate far below that of the "legal" stuff
 

jpoon

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I will absolutely support taxation of marijuana should it ever come to my state. It's pure political bullshit that weed is illegal. Corporations and our corrupt government are fully to blame for this.

Legalize it already, fuck!

P.S. - Damn I love Ron Paul, he's such a freedom fighter. I really wish more people would follow and listen to his advice, this country would be in a MUCH better state than it's in now!
 

spartan231490

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It is not a sensible option at all. Firstly, the very fact that the cartels operate illegally means that they can cut costs to the floor, and they are already established. Legalizing these drugs won't even dent them, and the government doesn't get as much money when they can't charge fines. From the government's viewpoint, it makes more sense to make them illegal, despite the moral advantages of legalization. also, you're "It's my body" arguement, holds no merit in a land where the government can control when you can have an abortion, or if you ask your doctor to let you die. those things legal, the precident exists. also, most hard drugs will cause serious harm and eventually kill you. Even smokers don't all die because of thier habit.

Edit: There is no reason that marijuana should be illegal. However, it would be almost impossible to tax effectively because it is so easy to grow on your own. The government makes a lot more money in fines than they would from taxes.
 

vento 231

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I understand that it would be good to tax it, but I don't think many horoine addicts woke up and said "hey, I'm gonna try horoine", the problem is it's a gateway drug, so I'm kinda indifferent to the propisition.
 

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Plurralbles said:
Ldude893 said:
It's as if my hometown of Hong Kong started to legalize Opium again. Bloody insane.
I'm not against opium. Sure, heroin, yes, but smoking as close to right out of the fields as possible I have no problems with. Coleridge's works are awesome. It'd be cool to have soemthign that actually works for toothaches too.
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You have no idea how much misery that drug brought into Hong Kong and China in the past.
 

unoleian

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Well, for one, don't believe the people on here who try to tell you that it's in any way HEALTHY..... it's not. It's quite unhealthy. Taking in any kind of smoke into your lungs is unhealthy. However, doesn't mean I'm against it.

The non-smoking uses of Marijuana are excellent, And if we allow tobacco, I don't see why we can't allow Marijuana. I would just slap the same rules that both cigarettes and alcohol have... no driving while stoned, no selling to minors, etc.

I suppose part of the fear is that we'd completely become a drug culture, but that's just not true. Look at how many people can be responsible, social drinkers and manage themselves.
On that note, look at how many people (seriously, I'd be willing to go at least 1-in-6, by personal anecedote) responsibly consume marijuana on the sly regardless of its legal status, and how well they (we?) manage in society regardless. "Manage" is almost the wrong word, carries a slight negative connotation. Perhaps, the fact that some people use marijuana has very little impact on society at large.


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There's been a noticeable impact on the illicit drug trade here, just as a result of the burgeoning medical marijuana (MMJ) market. In the past two years now, MMJ use has exploded, and dispensaries cropped up like a new wave of Starbucks. Interestingly, this has had two effects on the "illegal" drug market. Obtaining MMJ through a registered proxy is very, very simple for someone unregistered. Essentially, a large number of people are able to go through "legal" channels regardless of their registration status. Second, with the generous distribution of people now growing for their own uses, obtaining marijuana that is not an "import" is surprisingly easy. Anecdotally, I would say that this alone may have had a major impact on the Mexican market in this state. It's seemingly harder to find dirt, brick, and schwag, than it is to find X, or high-grade strains of what is most likely MMJ, or a home-grow.

Has society crumbled? Hardly. As far as a person can tell, it's business as usual, except for the "alternative medicine" shops on every other corner. And judging from their parking lots on an average day, business is good.

Of course, this exploding market has thrown the legislature into a frenzy, enacting moratoriums, attempting to wrangle and wrest control wherever they think they can, and while these efforts garner some support, you can almost hear the collective "meh" from the population at large.

County by county is loosening restrictions on marijuana possession. In several areas, it's practically decriminalized. In a select few, it is. Public use is, of course, strictly frowned upon, and the feds can prosecute to their heart's content. But outside of a couple of high profile cases [http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/22558618/detail.html], it's a sure bet they really won't bother.

Truth of the matter, there's a loosening opinion on the status of marijuana, certainly around here, and noticeably in the country at large, as well.

The government could do themselves a favor by re-examining their policies towards the drug. Funneling so much money into combating a "problem" that largely only exists in fantastical, dire ruminations of federal prosecutors, pharmaceutical companies, and the very enforcement agencies themselves isn't working. Too much money is dumped into prosecuting, and then imprisoning non-violent offenders for no worse crime than simply "holding." (Sometimes for excessively long "mandatory minimums" of several YEARS.) Too much violence is committed by underground units against each other and the population at large to control their slice of this particular black market. Too much power is given to violent cartels that are effectively taking over Mexico with our drug dollars. Too much is wasted in futile pursuit of a hopeless fight.

No one uses marijuana because it's illegal. No one uses it to "fight the man," in essence. It is used because some see it as an enjoyable recreation. Others use it because, damn, that highly potent, barely researched, "FDA-approved" drug just simply didn't work (and may have caused a heart attack), but a vapo-hit of MMJ cut through that pain like no other.

The economic and environmental benefits of marijuana and hemp cultivation are too numerous to mention here. Entire volumes could be written on the numerous uses of the plant itself and the alkaloids it contains.

It's a ridiculous battle. One I hope to see end in my lifetime. It's gone on long enough.
 

Twilight_guy

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ghostalker.cepo said:
Twilight_guy said:
I'm against it. I'm also against Alcohol. I know that as soon as it becomes at least partially legal it will become more common and the more common it becomes the more people become okay with it and hold to it. Making it legal will eventually make it something that can't be made illegal again (kind of like when they tried prohibition). Therefore, I'm against this bill.
Prohibition was unsuccessful because Americans came from the British, and alcohol has been an established part of our society for CENTURIES. Since way before Columbus sailed to your country. It may have been settled by puritans, but the majority of the immigrants to the USA in the 19th and early 20th weren't, and liked a drink. And without those immigrants, you wouldn't *have* a country.
And if we legalize Marijuana then wait a few years it will become part of the cultural background and people will be more resilient to the idea of having it made illegal again (an idea which I support). As with prohibition, taking away something established from a group warrants opposition. There is obviously a factor of how long something has been legal which affects this opposition but none-the-less any length of time will increase the opposition to re-illegalizing (is there a word for that) marijuana. Now I know its not going to suddenly change the whole landscape but it does lead to an end that is contrary to my goal so I oppose it.
 

Valkyrie101

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AndyFromMonday said:
Valkyrie101 said:
No, no, no, because the dosage and ingestion do not matter. Hard drugs are always bad.
It doesn't matter what you or anybody else considers bad. It's a persons right to do what they want with their body and not yours.

Valkyrie101 said:
Are you saying that there's actually a record of someone getting high and murdering someone DUE to being high? If so, show it.
Try searching Abigail Witchells. She didn't actually die, but she was stabbed in the neck and paralysed.

Valkyrie101 said:
So you're saying legalize it, then identify the addicts and try to get them off it? That's stupid way of going about it. If it were illegal, there'd be less chance of them getting addicted because it's less available. It's also a matter of principal. Why should we make drugs legal? What are the possible benefits? And don't give me the civil liberties bullshit, because it's not a choice that only affects the user.
No. What I'm saying is that it would be easier to identify and help the addicts since the only source of drugs would be government sanctioned stores. Also, less of a chance of getting the drug? Do you even know how huge the drug industry is? Drugs are avalible at every corner of your street. How do you think addicts maintain their addiction? How the fuck do you think people become addicted in the first place?

Why should you make drugs legal? The same reason alcohol and smokes are legal. What are the possible benefits? Money, and considering the state of the USA you need that badly. And yes, I will give you that fucking bullshit about civil liberties. Who the fuck are you to have the right to tell other people what to do and how to live their own lives?
Good point. Let's do away with the legal system entirely, because that's what you are saying.

Let's not forget that alcohol can be enjoyed responsibly, and smoking doesn't really affect the mind. Smokers are still capable of being fully functional members of society. Addicts aren't.
 

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Branches said:
Being from California, and being from the Bay, I can say freely that whether or not this passes means hardly anything. The sheer amount being passed from person to person on a social basis makes the law obsolete in most circumstances.

Legalize it, don't. Don't really matter. There'll be more districts who vote it down then vote it up. Most CA'ians don't realize that there is a huge Republican Base outside of LA, SD, and SF.
1: dude im fom the bay area too!
2: there ae epublicans in CA? whaaaaa?
3:i would love to see it passed if only for ethics (not that i dont smoke, its that im 16), but either way, forr me at least, it wont really matter. i am more concerned with the fact that pot might get really fucking expensive.

oh, and 4. has anyone here actually driven stoned? its not very hard. my dad wont even drive if hes not stoned. just wanted to point that out, and in no way am i condoning it. im just saying that it is not bad, nor is it hard.