Call of duty 4: MF overrated?

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Count_de_Monet

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Linearity isn't something that can just be overlooked anymore because there are so many games, some not so young anymore, which have allowed the player greater freedom of choice. CoD doesn't even manage to be creative with the linear style like Half-Life 1 or 2, it just puts you in a corridor, throws a few things in your way, and unleashes an infinite horde onto you.

The campaign is interesting, the settings are well done, the missions are fun and the gameplay is good. I have no problem admitting these things, CoD is a great Call of Duty game, it is even a good FPS, however, true to CoD style it falls short of anything resembling independent innovation and only half-asses blatant theft from it's competitors.

What is the point of judging a game if you aren't going to hold it up to whatever you consider to be the pinnacle of it's genre? Call of Duty is the king of the Call of Duty games, it's better than the Medal of Honor games, it's (in my opinion) better than Halo and I might even be talked into saying it is better than CS: Source but you would have to be extremely persuasive because I'm still playing Source and I haven't picked up CoD4 in a month... But these are all mediocre games that I'm comparing CoD4 to, they are either series which have shown no drive to innovate or, in the case of CS:S, a blatant copy. I wouldn't put it above any of the Battlefield games, I wouldn't say it's near Half-Life, I probably wouldn't even put it near Crysis because even though I have plenty of problems with Crysis I respect the fact that it tried very hard to be something different.

Just because I'm in the mood to nitpick:

ghost568 said:
People have been critisizing the online mose aswell. I didn't find anything wrong with it, the match types are extensive, the maps are decent, the class system is a nice touch and it's all relatively lag free. If you are pissed off that hosts frequently disconnect and parties end unexpectedly then you are probably playing with americans and so it's your fault for doing so.
The online mode is less than inspired. Even the developers freely admit that every single map was designed around Team Deathmatch and it is quite easy to tell when playing any other game mode. The class system is a blatant tool for stringing players along whose only job is to give you some sense of satisfaction in doing the same crap over and over again so you don't stop playing. I guarantee that without prestige mode the game would die out in half as much time.

[quote"Whisperkill47"]Another thing is the fact that you die and kill others too fast. While this is fine in the Campaign, this can get a little frustrating in multiplayer, you get shot in the back and have no time to react. Also, personally i feel when you kill someone it isn't as satisfying as lets say, TF2.[/quote]

I feel that is one of the most compelling features of the online play. Playing CoD4 online really forces you to pay an extra bit of attention to your surroundings because you can be killed at any time from any direction without being given a chance to fight back. The biggest thing I had to adjust to was keeping myself under cover because in CS:S you can strafe all over the place with no cover and still not die. It's a pain, sure, but it also forces you to pay more attention and rewards people who use the map to their advantage instead of relying on reaction time (which is good for me because I have piss poor reaction time).

As a footnote I have to say the most disappointing part of CoD4 for me were the abilities (radar, airstrike and helicopter). They aren't as annoying on the console but I play on a PC and when you get more than a 16 or 18 person server going and the airstrike and helicopter are going constantly from the first minute or two it really screws with the whole experience.
 

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REDPill357 said:
All-in-all, I would say that this game is overrated. Even the hardcore complainers like Yahtzee skip over such glaring flaws as the checkpoint system or the dogs.
The dogs were great! The whole thing was just brilliantly brought together. That's what made it so great. It's very similar to all the other CoD's (aside from CoD3 but we don't talk about that) in the fighting sence, and the story is also similar to nearly every modern combat book/film/game but it was given a good buff and proded in the right direction. Come on, you can't complain about the presedents finally moments in the opening credits, or the nuclear fallout, or the amazing ending. It all works together so well.
 

EittilDratsab

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Blah, I hate CoD4 in the same way PC elitists hate Halo 3.

While CoD4 is a very good game with excellent scripted sequences and solid gameplay, it really isn't anything new. The campaign has no replay value either. What frustrates me is that other games such as Halo 3 aren't getting the praise they deserve. Halo 3 had excellent community tools that serve to strengthen the Halo fan base. Bioshock had a narrative that outshined many of the FPS of 2007. Hell, even Crysis should have received more praise than CoD4.

CoD4 was released on the 360, the PS3, and the PC, and so Halo 3 is getting bashed by people who have really NEVER played Halo 3 (PS3 fanboys, PC elitists.)

To me, CoD4 exemplifies instant-gratification. Every kill grants you exp, and that makes people feel good. Getting rank ups is ridiculously easy and in turn gives the player an incentive to play more. Also, the matchmaking of CoD4 isn't exactly balanced. Where as in Halo 3, you usually get paired with players of somewhat similar skill, CoD4 puts you against level 55s when you're level 1. The level 55s then proceed in kicking ass with all their perks and weapons. As we all know, when we dominate, we have fun. When we don't, we sulk. Add that factor to the people who have never played a Xbox360 game in their life, and you have a big reason for why people love CoD4 (and hate Halo 3).
 

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Count_de_Monet said:
Portal and TF2 are great games but they aren't well rounded (Portal is low on content and all offline while TF2 is all online without a campaign)
I know this is off topic, but I gotta say i disagree here, Portal has to be one of the best games i have played in years. ok, so it's short, but the gameplay more than makes up for it. I wont talk about gameplay, cos it's been done to death, but i honestly think if portal was any longer, it would quickly lose it's charm. as for the issue of online play, if someone could come up with a decent concept involving a complete lack of weapons and the portal gun that would actually be fun, then i'd be well up for it.
As for TF2, of course there's no campaign, it's a purely online game. that's the point of it, that's waht it was designed for. it was never marketed as anything else, so why ***** about it?
 

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Why the fuck does it always come down to COD4 vs Halo 3? I own both games, I've played Halo 3 obsessively since launch and only just got around to buying COD4 this week. I thought both have well-planned campaigns, and I'm sure I'll enjoy the multiplayer for COD4 too when I get around to it.

But what I realise now is that you shouldn't compare these games. If you like one more than the other, that's great. But Halo 3 is about being the hero, and giving you all the tools to make that possible. COD4 is not about that at all. You get given the tools to survive against people who are evenly matched, and every encounter is a struggle to make it out alive.
Just because you appreciate one more than the other doesn't make the other one bad. I like to think I like both equally.

Back to the issue at hand: yes, COD4 is overrated and overhyped. It's rampant fanboyism. Pretty much anything with a fanbase is overrated because as soon as something is criticsed, people defend it. Things escalate out of control and we wind up with that mindless wankery that ultimately ruins everything.
This doesn't actually make the game bad, though. It's really quite good, as long as you see it for what it actually is.
 

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I say, cod4 is just cod1 and 2 with a few new spices. Cod2 was great because there were a great atmosphere. Cod4 didnt.
 

Damn Dirty Ape

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Cod2 pretty much sucked, any ww2 game depicting panzerII's as the main axis tankforce should be dragged out of their office and shot. It looked nice, but the gameplay was a step down compared to cod1 actually.

Cod4 is popular because: it's better then most goodlooking fps atm storywise, it's polished properly, there aren't that many polished modernday shooters atm to compete it with. Yes the mp features are nothing new, the sp is still bugged by insane ai decisions and crappy liniear leveldesign. It's still fun though, something alot of games lack these days. I'm still going with cod1:united offensive as having the best mp in the series. Anybody who played it knows what I'm talking about. It's like bf42, the cod way. So is it overrated? Yes, my guess is people just never played anything yet that came close to the experience yet. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say there are ALOT of people these days that only play games that are new in the store and barely know any slightly older but better game experiences, favoring graphics over gameplay. Perhaps the online servers of older games are emptying more or people are just spoiled with wowing at graphics?
 

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EittilDratsab said:
Also, the matchmaking of CoD4 isn't exactly balanced. Where as in Halo 3, you usually get paired with players of somewhat similar skill, CoD4 puts you against level 55s when you're level 1. The level 55s then proceed in kicking ass with all their perks and weapons.
I'm gonna have to disagree with you there, mostly because having a high rank does not mean you are good, it only means that you've put a whole lot of time into the game. You could just sit in ever game, not fire your gun once and still get to rank 55. I know I've been paired with level 50+ when I was level 10 and I pretty well wasted them.

The matchmaking skill probably has more to do with their kills to deaths ratio than their rank.
 

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Yes it is very overrated indeed. halo 3 is WAYYYYYY BETTER. It has the better storyline and the better action.

COD4 is a great game....but i would rate it the SECOND BEST game of 2007....not the first. That honor definately goes to Halo 3.
 

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I'd have to agree with CoD4 being overrated. I didn't play much of the multiplayer, i'll admit to that, but the singleplayer gave me little to no desire to push any further. The checkpoints were poorly spaced, enough bullets flew through walls to reduce most buildings to rubble, the helping ai were as useless as trying to stop bullets with paper. Despite not being the unit leader, the ai units were constantly waiting for the player to lead the way. And when the morons got in the way getting shot in the back i had tom redo from the last checkppoint as punishment for friendly fire. For a game based on realism there were endless respawns till the player progressed, and then when the player did progress it was entirely possible to get swamped, lets add to the fact that the enemy almoast always constantly know where you are hiding around a corner or whatever without ever possibly having seen you, and they also seem to have endless supplies of grenades. Both unrealistic and highly irritating. One final gripe I have was with a few of the scenes, personally i found the survival of a nuke only to die of radiation poisoning or wounds shortly after, while having to spend the time clawing the character along, hugely irritating, same with kidnapping scenes. They could have been done better graphically without player involvement.

On the whole I believe I'd have had more fun being skewered by 200 spoons than playing this game, but thats just my opinion.
 

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What is funny to me isn't that people think COD4 is overrated, it's that people continue to make a comparison to Halo 3.

The gameplay is totally different. One game steals from the whole Quake / Tribes style gameplay, and the other steals from the CS:S style. They both still steal though, and neither does anything super new. So why is it so popular? It's a GOOD FPS for the most popular console that looks beautiful, runs well, and has a polished online mode.

Overrated? Nope. People just love it, there isn't anything overrated about that.
 

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CoD4 is brilliant, not at all overrated, but would someone please tell me...


WHAT THE HELL is so good about Halo 3? It was so bad I barely had the willpower to see it to the end, yet everyone seems to be giving it 13 of 10 points, 7 of 5 stars or 279 of 100 points...
 

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EittilDratsab said:
Also, the matchmaking of CoD4 isn't exactly balanced. Where as in Halo 3, you usually get paired with players of somewhat similar skill, CoD4 puts you against level 55s when you're level 1. The level 55s then proceed in kicking ass with all their perks and weapons. As we all know, when we dominate, we have fun. When we don't, we sulk. Add that factor to the people who have never played a Xbox360 game in their life, and you have a big reason for why people love CoD4 (and hate Halo 3).
To quote the Heavy from TF2:
"WAAAAAAAAAAH! WAAAAAAAAAAAH! CRY SOME MORE!"

I, as a PC gamer, have never found a matchmaking system on a PC game. You know what? I could care less. I don't want want to be put in a server with everyone being equal skill. I want to learn from 55s how they got so good. I want to kill noobs, so they can learn.

The matchmaking argument is stupid. You don't need it.
 

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Baliame said:
CoD4 is brilliant, not at all overrated, but would someone please tell me...


WHAT THE HELL is so good about Halo 3? It was so bad I barely had the willpower to see it to the end, yet everyone seems to be giving it 13 of 10 points, 7 of 5 stars or 279 of 100 points...
Halo 3 is brilliant, not at all overrated, but would someone please tell me...


WHAT THE HELL is so good about Call of Duty 4? It was so bad I barely had the willpower to see it to the end, yet everyone seems to be giving it 13 of 10 points, 7 of 5 stars or 279 of 100 points...
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Can you people finally shut the fuck up about CoD4 vs Halo 3 fight? They're both just as good.Almost all shit that you're throwing at Halo 3 can be easily flinged back at CoD4.

 

Anton P. Nym

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Here's my generalised summary of answers to all "is [game] overrated" forum threads.

Everything's overrated. All games suck. All players of all games are n00bs and must die painfully in full view of the public.
Expecting any other answer in an online forum is like expecting Fox News to get a story straight. Can we quit posting this sort of fanboi-bait, please?

-- Steve
 

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You know, I don't understand why people think this game is over hyped and/or overrated. I've seen it reviewed with high scores, people say they love it, and that's about it. I don't understand where all the hype is at. Halo 3 received its own drink, advertising from TV spots during football games, being shown on the side of Burger King bags, everybody telling me that the story is the best thing since sliced bread, and then people tell me that Call of Duty 4 is overrated?

Huh?

If you ask somebody who plays games if they loved Psychonauts, 9 out of 10 times they'll say that they would have its babies. Yet, it's considered an under appreciated game.

People loving a game =/= Overrated



I think someone earlier in the thread complained about the scene where you play a dying man, and have to crawl around; I would have to backhand them if I met them in person. It was a brilliant thing to put in the game, and it really sucked me in.
 

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REDPill357 said:
EittilDratsab said:
Also, the matchmaking of CoD4 isn't exactly balanced. Where as in Halo 3, you usually get paired with players of somewhat similar skill, CoD4 puts you against level 55s when you're level 1. The level 55s then proceed in kicking ass with all their perks and weapons. As we all know, when we dominate, we have fun. When we don't, we sulk. Add that factor to the people who have never played a Xbox360 game in their life, and you have a big reason for why people love CoD4 (and hate Halo 3).
To quote the Heavy from TF2:
"WAAAAAAAAAAH! WAAAAAAAAAAAH! CRY SOME MORE!"

I, as a PC gamer, have never found a matchmaking system on a PC game. You know what? I could care less. I don't want want to be put in a server with everyone being equal skill. I want to learn from 55s how they got so good. I want to kill noobs, so they can learn.

The matchmaking argument is stupid. You don't need it.
You don't nessecarily learn to swim by jumping into the deep end of the pool, the same principle applies here. Besidess because of the perks system you are not just going up against people who are better than you might be, you are going up against people who may have perks that make it almost impossible to score a decent amount of kills at first. Frankly there is not much to learn about cod4 that you do not learn in the campaign.