Call Of Duty and why we keep going back to it...

[thatguy779]

why would you keep playing a game if it was not good. That is like stabbing yourself with a fork and you keep doing it for no reason. Also it kind of makes sense when you think everyone is out to get you when you get comments from a bunch of different people who do not know you and you do not no them. You make miracle look like he needs help or something. He can obviously take care of himself. I think that you miss the point of this thread since miracle talked about nothing but positive things about mw2 even saying that it is better than halo and battlefield. Maybe halo 3 but no way is mw2 better than bad company and I think halo reach will beat mw2 too. I kept coming cause everyone else kept coming. Besides it was the first time I got in an argument with intelligent people instead of trolls and little kids. It is kind of hard to ignore peoples comments when it fills up your inbox. Besides miracle started becoming a troll when did he that wolfgang shit

Look, you're obviously upset over all this so let's just all be nice to eachother ok? I'm not going to make fun of you, as long as you're civil in return.

The reason people are picking on you is because in your posts you came across quite aggressively. Just chill a little and people will be nicer to you.

Also, once again... you missed the point of my thread. I was trying to work out the reasons people keep coming back to COD when there are better games out there. Really... read the first post again, I say very clearly that BC2 and Halo 3 are better games.

also I started chilling out a long time ago and I was civil. It is just most of these nerds do not know when to quit.

 

[Megacherv]

why would you keep playing a game if it was not good. That is like stabbing yourself with a fork and you keep doing it for no reason. Also it kind of makes sense when you think everyone is out to get you when you get comments from a bunch of different people who do not know you and you do not no them. You make miracle look like he needs help or something. He can obviously take care of himself. I think that you miss the point of this thread since miracle talked about nothing but positive things about mw2 even saying that it is better than halo and battlefield. Maybe halo 3 but no way is mw2 better than bad company and I think halo reach will beat mw2 too. I kept coming cause everyone else kept coming. Besides it was the first time I got in an argument with intelligent people instead of trolls and little kids. It is kind of hard to ignore peoples comments when it fills up your inbox. Besides miracle started becoming a troll when did he that wolfgang shit

Look, you're obviously upset over all this so let's just all be nice to eachother ok? I'm not going to make fun of you, as long as you're civil in return.

The reason people are picking on you is because in your posts you came across quite aggressively. Just chill a little and people will be nicer to you.

Also, once again... you missed the point of my thread. I was trying to work out the reasons people keep coming back to COD when there are better games out there. Really... read the first post again, I say very clearly that BC2 and Halo 3 are better games.

uh I checked the forum and I even checked it twice to be sure. You never said that bad company and halo were better than mw2. You said they were more balanced but balance does not always mean good you said halo and battlefield had better design but not that they were better than mw2. your description of halo and battlefield was and I quote. "I just don't feel as physically involved in the game, the experience is not as visceral or immediate." What I got from that was you saying that mw2 is more visceral and immediate than halo or battlefield which is where I disagree. Also I thought that carnival was a rip off of the carnival from left 4 dead 2 since the map pack came recently after left 4 dead 2. Also please stop calling me wolfgang it is annoying if you want a name my name is Adam.

Wolfga-erm, I mean Adam, he did say "when I play games that are in many ways more balanced and better designed all round, such as Bad Company 2 or Halo 3"

And you could say that MW2 and Left 4 Dead 2 both ripped-off House of the Dead: Overkill, but they didn't. It's like claiming that Coldplay ripped-off Joe Satriani with 'Viva la Vida' and 'If I Could Fly', respectively (oh yeah, slight pop-culture reference).

 

[MiracleOfSound]

uh I checked the forum and I even checked it twice to be sure. You never said that bad company and halo were better than mw2. You said they were more balanced but balance does not always mean good you said halo and battlefield had better design but not that they were better than mw2. your description of halo and battlefield was and I quote. "I just don't feel as physically involved in the game, the experience is not as visceral or immediate." What I got from that was you saying that mw2 is more visceral and immediate than halo or battlefield which is where I disagree.

There we go, now that you have posted in a more civil manner, I shall return the gesture.

You disagree that BC2 and H3 feel less visceral and involving... to that I say fair enough, we shall agree to differ on the matter. That's perfectly ok with me.

BC2 certainly makes you feel more like you're in a warzone than MW2 does, I just personally feel more physically 'in the game' with COD. It's hard to explain.

Also I thought that carnival was a rip off of the carnival from left 4 dead 2 since the map pack came recently after left 4 dead 2. Also please stop calling me wolfgang it is annoying if you want a name my name is Adam.

No problem, Adam. I too thought the map packs were a rip-off. And I still bought them, along with millions of others... because we're addicted to that stupid game.

So... to help me in my quest to try and work out why this happens... what is your take on why people keep playing MW2, despite all the bullshit that goes along with it? Apart from the reasons I listed, I can't really think of any other ones why people can't seem to resist it.

 

[thatguy779]

why would you keep playing a game if it was not good. That is like stabbing yourself with a fork and you keep doing it for no reason. Also it kind of makes sense when you think everyone is out to get you when you get comments from a bunch of different people who do not know you and you do not no them. You make miracle look like he needs help or something. He can obviously take care of himself. I think that you miss the point of this thread since miracle talked about nothing but positive things about mw2 even saying that it is better than halo and battlefield. Maybe halo 3 but no way is mw2 better than bad company and I think halo reach will beat mw2 too. I kept coming cause everyone else kept coming. Besides it was the first time I got in an argument with intelligent people instead of trolls and little kids. It is kind of hard to ignore peoples comments when it fills up your inbox. Besides miracle started becoming a troll when did he that wolfgang shit

Look, you're obviously upset over all this so let's just all be nice to eachother ok? I'm not going to make fun of you, as long as you're civil in return.

The reason people are picking on you is because in your posts you came across quite aggressively. Just chill a little and people will be nicer to you.

Also, once again... you missed the point of my thread. I was trying to work out the reasons people keep coming back to COD when there are better games out there. Really... read the first post again, I say very clearly that BC2 and Halo 3 are better games.

uh I checked the forum and I even checked it twice to be sure. You never said that bad company and halo were better than mw2. You said they were more balanced but balance does not always mean good you said halo and battlefield had better design but not that they were better than mw2. your description of halo and battlefield was and I quote. "I just don't feel as physically involved in the game, the experience is not as visceral or immediate." What I got from that was you saying that mw2 is more visceral and immediate than halo or battlefield which is where I disagree. Also I thought that carnival was a rip off of the carnival from left 4 dead 2 since the map pack came recently after left 4 dead 2. Also please stop calling me wolfgang it is annoying if you want a name my name is Adam.

Wolfga-erm, I mean Adam, he did say "when I play games that are in many ways more balanced and better designed all round, such as Bad Company 2 or Halo 3"

And you could say that MW2 and Left 4 Dead 2 both ripped-off House of the Dead: Overkill, but they didn't. It's like claiming that Coldplay ripped-off Joe Satriani with 'Viva la Vida' and 'If I Could Fly', respectively (oh yeah, slight pop-culture reference).

well I can not follow his writing he said they were more balanced and better designed but he never really said that they were better overall than mw2 plus he said that mw2 was more visceral and immediate which to me sound like big complements to mw2.

 

[LornMind]

I personally hate the controls, and it is escpecially bad when i play Cod then play bad company and start doing wierd thing because the controls are different.

Those pictures just reminded me why i hate Cod. Its so damn innacurate, its like the developers dont care about accuracy or realism. as a former Cadet sergeant for the royal marine cadets i cant tell you how many times ive been teaching a class and some kid uses video game logic, gained from cod.

'can anyone tell me the current sight used on the L85 a2 or the LSW by the royal marines???'

'well you can get reflex sights and red dots and acogs and...'

'NOOOO'

god damn it i hate kids

(and yes i know that the A3 is now fitted with an acog)

Doesn't it use a SUSAT low power scope?

 

[XUnsafeNormalX]

I stopped going back to it around the time they started ripping people off for maps.

 

[Diver Down]

I'm glad you put a lot of thought into your analysis of MW2. But all you mentioned was the pros. The cons, on the other hand are f*cking unbearable. Incredible amounts of lag, that whole "could not migrate host" every fourth match, the unbalanced gameplay and of course the abundance of hackers and the ever so persistent "marathon-lightweight-commando" perk set.

sorry, but I don't enjoy walking around another abandoned town in the Middle East and getting buttf*cked across the map by some idiot who uses akimbo rangers or models. and then switches to his sniper (with thermal of course) to shoot some a-holes while he phases into a wall.

 

[Eggsnham]

My experiences with CoD:

1. "Oh, this looks like a good game; and all of my friends play it. I'm gonna buy it."

2. "Best game ever. Best game ever. Best game ever. Best game ever." - Repeat for 3-5 months.

3. "This game is kinda... Not good."

4. "Meh."

5. Stereotypical "I hate MW2!" response to the game.

Although, I sold the game and don't really find the urge to play it anymore. Maybe if sniping and noob-tubing wasn't the only way people played the game I would consider buying it again; but for now I don't see myself getting wrapped up in CoD again anytime soon. Especially with that pay to play nonsense that's been going around.

 

[thatguy779]

uh I checked the forum and I even checked it twice to be sure. You never said that bad company and halo were better than mw2. You said they were more balanced but balance does not always mean good you said halo and battlefield had better design but not that they were better than mw2. your description of halo and battlefield was and I quote. "I just don't feel as physically involved in the game, the experience is not as visceral or immediate." What I got from that was you saying that mw2 is more visceral and immediate than halo or battlefield which is where I disagree.

There we go, now that you have posted in a more civil manner, I shall return the gesture.

You disagree that BC2 and H3 feel less visceral and involving... to that I say fair enough, we shall agree to differ on the matter. That's perfectly ok with me.

BC2 certainly makes you feel more like you're in a warzone than MW2 does, I just personally feel more physically 'in the game' with COD. It's hard to explain.

Also I thought that carnival was a rip off of the carnival from left 4 dead 2 since the map pack came recently after left 4 dead 2. Also please stop calling me wolfgang it is annoying if you want a name my name is Adam.

No problem, Adam. I too thought the map packs were a rip-off. And I still bought them, along with millions of others... because we're addicted to that stupid game.

So... to help me in my quest to try and work out why this happens... what is your take on why people keep playing MW2, despite all the bullshit that goes along with it? Apart from the reasons I listed, I can't really think of any other ones why people can't seem to resist it.

I got mw2 hoping to find a real true sequel to the greatness that was COD4 I did not get that. COD4 had theme showing that war is hell and that not everyone makes it out alive like the nuke scene where the guy dies of radiation or the gillie suit level in now abandoned Chernobyl which showed how an entire city could just vanish and it really made you feel bad about it. Sadly mw2 did not have the same war is hell theme. Mw2 was just a stupid action movie with more cliches than I can count. Price was awesome in cod4 just because he seemed to care more about the mission plus it was nice to see a familiar face from COD2. In MW2 they made him into to some overly dramatic old man who out of no where only talks in dramatic poems.Now the real reason why it is addicting is because people play mw2 because it is a shadow of its former self. Cod4 was legendary and I guess people thought that any sequel to it would be flawless and perfect, then they realize it is not and start to go into denial because they were pumped and hyped for the game so much that could not just let the excitement go to waste, so they would sometimes get it in there and believe that mw2 is actually good but then they would realize the truth and put the game down for a while but then the denial would start up again and they would go back to mw2. Another reason is because their friends played it or they want to become 10th prestige or they want to get their first nuke. The rest of the mw2 community is mainly glitches,campers,modders,and little kids. Plus to me it seems like mw2 rewards the noobs. The noobtuber using the one man army glitch so he can have unlimited noobtubes is the one who gets the ac130 and the honest guy who never did anything to the game doesn't. That is unfair to me.I am only basing this on past experiences however. That is my opinion.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

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I got mw2 hoping to find a real true sequel to the greatness that was COD4 I did not get that. COD4 had theme showing that war is hell and that not everyone makes it out alive like the nuke scene where the guy dies of radiation or the gillie suit level in now abandoned Chernobyl which showed how an entire city could just vanish and it really made you feel bad about it. Sadly mw2 did not have the same war is hell theme. Mw2 was just a stupid action movie with more cliches than I can count.

I just admit, I really enjoyed the campaign. I liked the OTT silliness, though I'll agree none of the missions had the same tense, subtle thrills as All Ghillied Up. Matter of taste I guess.

Now the real reason why it is addicting is because people play mw2 because it is a shadow of its former self. Cod4 was legendary and I guess people thought that any sequel to it would be flawless and perfect, then they realize it is not and start to go into denial because they were pumped and hyped for the game so much that could not just let the excitement go to waste, so they would sometimes get it in there and believe that mw2 is actually good but then they would realize the truth and put the game down for a while but then the denial would start up again and they would go back to mw2.

Now that is a good theory. I think it is definately hard for a lot of us to accept just how broken and disappointing MW2 was, and still is, and how IW and Activision don't seem to give a shit or do anything about it.

There have been a few times when I've been having a good night, getting good games thinking 'man, maybe this game ain't so bad after all... until five seconds later I get commando lunged twice in a row, hit with a random noob tube grenade and respawn underneath an AC 130.

Another reason is because their friends played it or they want to become 10th prestige or they want to get their first nuke. The rest of the mw2 community is mainly glitches,campers,modders,and little kids. Plus to me it seems like mw2 rewards the noobs. The noobtuber using the one man army glitch so he can have unlimited noobtubes is the one who gets the ac130 and the honest guy who never did anything to the game doesn't. That is unfair to me.I am only basing this on past experiences however. That is my opinion.

I agree 100%. The game rewards bad players and exploiters while punishing rushers, objective players or good players who happen to have crap team-mates.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

I'm glad you put a lot of thought into your analysis of MW2. But all you mentioned was the pros. The cons, on the other hand are f*cking unbearable.

Dude, I did a thread about the cons too... here ya go: (It got over 100 000 views too... some people obviously related to it!)

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.187182-Modern-Warfare-2-why-it-makes-people-angry-Read-if-youve-ever-played-the-game?page=1

 

[Polaris19]

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This is supposed to be a Infantry simulator, or at least thats what activision kept on saying. You shouldn't be able to to do a 360 spin then shoot a guy right through the forehead without aiming down your sights. Thats just bull shit.

Well I for one am glad it is not a realistic military simulator.

That would be one boring game.

I disagree, Operation: Flashpoint was realistic and I thought that game was pretty fun.

As for me and the OT...
Its done sucking me in. I might rent it but I won't be buying it. I've just been too let down by MW2.

 

[Canid117]

Why not just go back and play the original modern warfare? All the awesome fluidity and the good engine without the balance issues of the sequel. The controls were not as tightly tuned (On PC anyway) but that is easily remedied.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Why not just go back and play the original modern warfare? All the awesome fluidity and the good engine without the balance issues of the sequel. The controls were not as tightly tuned (On PC anyway) but that is easily remedied.

Exactly... that's what I'm trying to work out.

 

[Chainsauce]

I don't go back anymore. Why? TF "motherfucking" 2.

 

[Free Thinker]

This thread...tempts me.
I haven't played MW2 in nearly 2 weeks since I got my K/D ratio to 2.2. I'm not 10th prestige 70, but I'm content with what I've done thus far. Please don't make me go back to my crack dealer.

 

[Tdc2182]

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Its refreshing to see someone not bashing the game.

It gets such a bad rep because of the complete shit community, it is rather harsh. It gets waaay more shit then it deserves.

Quite frankly, I will never find a multiplayer gametype more intense and addicting then Search and Destroy.

Recently I stopped playing it because I undownloaded it from my Console. My disk is scratched and I want space for demos. I had had one UMP encounter to many that night.

I miss the fuck out of the game though

 

[Canid117]

Why not just go back and play the original modern warfare? All the awesome fluidity and the good engine without the balance issues of the sequel. The controls were not as tightly tuned (On PC anyway) but that is easily remedied.

Exactly... that's what I'm trying to work out.

Sadly when you do go back to the original Modern warfare you will miss the little improvements the sequel had such as killstreaks not disappearing and other nice little touches. Just goes to show how a few small balance issues and a bad community can break an experience.

 

[thatguy779]

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I got mw2 hoping to find a real true sequel to the greatness that was COD4 I did not get that. COD4 had theme showing that war is hell and that not everyone makes it out alive like the nuke scene where the guy dies of radiation or the gillie suit level in now abandoned Chernobyl which showed how an entire city could just vanish and it really made you feel bad about it. Sadly mw2 did not have the same war is hell theme. Mw2 was just a stupid action movie with more cliches than I can count.

I just admit, I really enjoyed the campaign. I liked the OTT silliness, though I'll agree none of the missions had the same tense, subtle thrills as All Ghillied Up. Matter of taste I guess.

Now the real reason why it is addicting is because people play mw2 because it is a shadow of its former self. Cod4 was legendary and I guess people thought that any sequel to it would be flawless and perfect, then they realize it is not and start to go into denial because they were pumped and hyped for the game so much that could not just let the excitement go to waste, so they would sometimes get it in there and believe that mw2 is actually good but then they would realize the truth and put the game down for a while but then the denial would start up again and they would go back to mw2.

Now that is a good theory. I think it is definately hard for a lot of us to accept just how broken and disappointing MW2 was, and still is, and how IW and Activision don't seem to give a shit or do anything about it.

There have been a few times when I've been having a good night, getting good games thinking 'man, maybe this game ain't so bad after all... until five seconds later I get commando lunged twice in a row, hit with a random noob tube grenade and respawn underneath an AC 130.

Another reason is because their friends played it or they want to become 10th prestige or they want to get their first nuke. The rest of the mw2 community is mainly glitches,campers,modders,and little kids. Plus to me it seems like mw2 rewards the noobs. The noobtuber using the one man army glitch so he can have unlimited noobtubes is the one who gets the ac130 and the honest guy who never did anything to the game doesn't. That is unfair to me.I am only basing this on past experiences however. That is my opinion.

I agree 100%. The game rewards bad players and exploiters while punishing rushers, objective players or good players who happen to have crap team-mates.

However i believe that there is a cure to this addiction.Play not only games that are not mw2 but play the exact opposites and even the rivals to mw2 which are halo,battlefield, killzone2, and gears of war. In fact do not even play a game that has multiplayer of any kind. For example my most favorite singleplayer of any kind has to be bioshock. If you do not rush through bioshock then you will not believe the things you find as you explore through the game and how it connects to the games main storyline. It is a classic unlike mw2.If someone said that video games are not art then you could show them bioshock and they would easily change their mind. If you showed them mw2 they would see a simple boring shooter fest that is nothing new. It is just another war shooter. just make sure it is the first bioshock cause bioshock 2 had online but i heard bioshock infinite will not have online which makes me happy.

 

[Airsoftslayer93]

I personally hate the controls, and it is escpecially bad when i play Cod then play bad company and start doing wierd thing because the controls are different.

Those pictures just reminded me why i hate Cod. Its so damn innacurate, its like the developers dont care about accuracy or realism. as a former Cadet sergeant for the royal marine cadets i cant tell you how many times ive been teaching a class and some kid uses video game logic, gained from cod.

'can anyone tell me the current sight used on the L85 a2 or the LSW by the royal marines???'

'well you can get reflex sights and red dots and acogs and...'

'NOOOO'

god damn it i hate kids

(and yes i know that the A3 is now fitted with an acog)

Doesn't it use a SUSAT low power scope?

The A1 and the A2 did, but now they use a susat