camping, why does everyone hate it

[shootthebandit]

i take spawn camping as an almost personall affront, but just camping in the hiding/sniper sense i believe should fall under a policy of: fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me, to clarify, if you can get away with it more than once, while staying in the same position, it's not you fault, its just that they cant adapt to your tactics,

well said, its those idiots that follow red dots. one guy i got 5 times in a row. i kept going prone on jungle and he kept coming after me not realising that i was know prone 50 feet from my last location. he couldve used nova 6 to make me get up and reveal my location

 

[archvile93]

I never found camping to be an issue. If someone camps I just do the common sense thing and toss a semtex in the room. Simple. I can't see how people get fooled by decoys either. Eight red and green dots appear on the radar all at once? seemes suspicious to me.

 

[JamesBr]

I have to agree with most of the comments here. There is a distinct difference between sniping and spawn camping. One is a tactical method based on avoidance and long range precision, the other is taking advantage (read: exploiting) of the fact that your playing a computer program with set algorithms that decide where a player reappears in the game world once they die.

Sniping is ok, I myself prefer sniping in games when the situation/map allows for it. Not all maps are designed to be sniper friendly and deciding when to limit your ability to react by remaining stationary and limiting your peripheral vision by looking down a scope is part of the skill needed to be good at it.

Simply pulling the trigger when a player pops into existence, while giving them no chance to react or defend against it is a dick move that should send offenders to the deepest pit of video game hell. One where they spend eternity getting shot/hit with a grenade/maimed horrifically before reappearing, fully healed, only to have happen over and over and over...

 

[TerranReaper]

Well, I get called out for camping in games that require you to defend an objective, I thought that was my role?

 

[Therumancer]

ive decided to come out the closet about being a camper. infact let me rephrase that, ive decided to stay inside the closet about being a camper, everyone knows us campers like to hide.

basically im a camper/ambusher, in blackops i have ghost pro with a silenced weapon, i hide somewhere plant a motion sensor, lure people into my sights with a decoy and shoot them like fish in a barrel. i then hide facing my original location and when they come back to get me they get a tomahawk in the back of thier head

this is camping at its worst it manipulates enemies and draws them into a trap ALTHOUGH camping is such a natural technique look at a mantis, a mantis will wait until its prey comes to it, likewise a spider sets up his web and awaits his prey. it works because its worked for millions of years. evolution is giving us campers a helping hand

just remember dont hate the player, hate the game

It depends on the situation. Truthfully I've found that along with bugs, companies have a tendency not to playtest maps very much, or at least they don't get it done properly... no matter what they claim. Holding certain positions with certain weapons/classes can be tantamount to an exploit because it can render someone nearly invincible, and depending on the type of game, that's a problem. Maps are tweaked frequently for this reason.

At any rate, while what you describe is a problem, it's not what I consider "camping". To me camping is less of an issue. It's when you set up on, or near a respawn point and kill people as they re-appear constantly and pretty much give them no chance to do anything. Either that or in an MMORPG do something like sit around near a guy's corpse (in a game with corpse retrieval) and kill them again and again as they come to try and get their stuff back, or rez and move on to do something else (or whatever). These kinds of situations are no longer all that common due to game design preventing it.

I've been on both sides of it, in less mature days I enjoyed it, so I can understand the allure. I do however feel it's a problem and game busting, and it's a good thing they addressed it.

When it comes to what your describing, the issue is more difficult to deal with. Arguements can be made that not exploiting it when your in the area and know what to do is "gimping yourself" but by the same token an unfair advantage, is an unfair advantage. I for one am not going to play with people who do things like that (on the rare occasions I play multiplayer shooters).

To be brutally honest, one of the reasons why I don't do FPS games isn't just that I'm not all that good at them, but because a lot of it seems to invaribly comes down to a lot of complaining, trash talking, and competitions about who can exploit the game the worst, complete with whining when a company finally fixes something so a specific bit of ridiculousness can no longer be performed. Competition oftentimes coming down to who can find ways to break/exploit the game the most.

 

[theironbat46]

It's not the campers I hate. It's being killed by the same guy 15 times in a row by the same guy who is staying in one spot every time I spawn.

 

[thedeathscythe]

It's a legitimate strategy. I can respect a camper, especially if it's a demolition game mode in Socom and they have the bomb. We have to guard our plant, how are we to do that by running and gunning? At that point you need some people to camp. Now on the flip side, I hate camping if we had the bomb and they still[/] camp our spawn; we don't need you there anymore, we have to go plant the bomb now.

So all in all, I don't do it often, but I do it for a reason. And when others do it purposefully, I don't mind it either. I don't even mind it in team deathmatch and deathmatch games. Chances are I'm going to out kill you and avoid you because I don't want to feed you a kill, but also because I get more kill opportunities by moving.

 

[-Samurai-]

Well, I get called out for camping in games that require you to defend an objective, I thought that was my role?

Objective based attack and defend games are the only times I find it reasonable to camp, and that depends on the side you're on. The Russians in Search and Destroy on the map Harbor in the first Call of Duty camped all the time. It made no sense since they were the attackers. Attackers should not be camping unless they've planted the bomb and are now the defenders.

Some child(13-15) was bitching at me earlier because I planted the bomb, and with my whole team dead, defended it from their entire team by moving from cover to cover in 1 room. I wasn't camping, I was defending. You're not supposed to just walk away and let them defuse.

People just don't understand.

 

[FalloutJack]

People may not like it, but I will say this:

Your true-to-life-and-gritty FPS is designed to mimic real war, right? Well, guess what? In war, PEOPLE DIE AND DIE LOTS! And many of them will die from some guy they didn't see that was lying in wait with a really good ambush point that he will NEVER leave, because it was a good solid tactic on how to kill others without dying himself. If you can't live with this fact, then you probably shouldn't be playing your gritty real-life FPS. IT IS A LEGITIMATE TACTIC. I'm sorry, but if I'm gonna get my ass shot up by robots in the wasteland, you're gonna get hit by people who know how to hide, aim, and shoot. Live with it.

 

[Snotnarok]

Clever camping like what you've said OP can be fine, but when you have a guy just sitting in the corner of a room for the entire match waiting for someone to come by, but even after killing someone, never moves. It's annoying because that guy isn't in the fray he's just in a corner on the map.

My camping is short, I'll run to a spot, look around, wait for a minute and run off. If I kill someone I'll stand up and move on. Most of the time I have a shotgun and am running around point blanking people in the face.

It's the same problem when you play Rush in Bad Company 2, your entire team is snipers and you gotta set the bombs, but they're just on a hill sniping. How does that help your team? It doesn't.

And that's where camping becomes a problem, when you're not helping your team. You're just worried about your K/D and cowering in a hole hoping to pick off a few unsuspecting people so you can brag to your friends about your 3.1 KD.

 

[badgersprite]

when most people say they hate "campers" they're referring to "spawn campers". which is pretty low, since there's really no way to defend against it and has nothing to do with skill. but being a sniper and finding a nice hidey-hole, while frustrating to go up against, is not really that bad.

Yeah. This. People hate spawn campers, not people who take advantage of terrain or positions in the middle of an encounter.

Otherwise, it's just saying, "I HATE TACTICS!! GWAAAAAARR!!"

 

[TheYellowCellPhone]

The reason I don't camp is that everyone knows where you are after you've killed them.

"Hehe, one kill from a harrier..."

*grenade flies in*

"SON OF A *****"

That basically ended my camping days in MW2.

 

[clockout]

They arn't so much of a pain once you've figured out all the prime camping spots in the game, and with games like BF:Bad Company with destructible buildings you can take out any spots that piss you off, and herd all those pesky snipers to one spot.

 

[Fumbleumble]

I love camping. Out in the fresh air with my tent and my stove, fishing for dinner and sleeping under the stars.

It's teh best.

 

[someotherguy]

It distracts for the over all fun of the game, in my opinion. If it's to defend one place, thats fine. But it's generally boring, which is why I don't do it.

 

[ComicsAreWeird]

Its a valid tactic. I use it once in a while when i play CounterStrike.Not all the time, because it would be boring.

 

[starhaven]

the only camping i hate is spawn camping i my self like to camp i love using bolts in cod waw i am also a fair run and gunner if i get shot in the head by a camper i am hunting and he out smarts me great for him because i am coming back how ever if i get shot 10+ times after i take 4 steps out of spawn thats just bull shit

 

[shootthebandit]

Clever camping like what you've said OP can be fine

im glad you can respect my tactic but id say my tactic (from my opponents viewpoint) would be worse. Atleast the guy in the corner gets flushed out with a nade of a stun

i have to agree with what you said about BC2, camping when defending is a good plan but when attacking its not good