camping, why does everyone hate it
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People hate camping because nobody likes dying without even getting a chance to see the other guy, when they have no chance to fight back. Does this mean you should stop camping? No, no-one's forcing you to stop. Just don't be surprised that people don't like it.
This effect is compounded when the dead player feels that the person who killed them isn't skilled at the game, and that, in a "fair" fight, they could win. That's why people hate campers more than snipers.
The other thing to consider is a case of the free rider effect, whereby campers don't contribute to achieving team objectives or to the game being fun for others. If everyone camped, nothing would happen, and every FPS would be awful - because of this, campers are relying on non campers to have fun, but not contributing anything themselves (ie. they are having fun at the expense of non-campers.)
So yeah, you have the right to keep camping, because it's a legitimate strategy. Other people have the right to get pissed off at you, because it's an annoying strategy.
This effect is compounded when the dead player feels that the person who killed them isn't skilled at the game, and that, in a "fair" fight, they could win. That's why people hate campers more than snipers.
The other thing to consider is a case of the free rider effect, whereby campers don't contribute to achieving team objectives or to the game being fun for others. If everyone camped, nothing would happen, and every FPS would be awful - because of this, campers are relying on non campers to have fun, but not contributing anything themselves (ie. they are having fun at the expense of non-campers.)
So yeah, you have the right to keep camping, because it's a legitimate strategy. Other people have the right to get pissed off at you, because it's an annoying strategy.
What you do is fine, since you actually lure people to your position. Not like other people ho hide in a corner for the whole game, and getting 5 kills. Because only 5 people walked past their corner. Now lets say you camp in a Highly populated area, where everyone walks by, thats fine since your camping in a strategic area. And Spawn camping is well LAME!!!
Well I just don't understand it, it seems like it would be boring to just sit there, I always thought of it as "FPS Trolling" but I could be wrong.
Camping is not a problem. As people have said, it's a legit tactic, people just get angry cause they were killed. I get a spectacular across the map shot with a rocket launcher, I get yelled at for using a noob tube. I knife someone, I get yelled at for... well, knifing. I headshot someone, I get yelled at for camping/sniping. You can't win in online play. People will *****.
Spawn camping however, is a cheap, pathetic tactic. Setting up shop one hundred metres away, go for it. I have nothing about that to say that people haven't. Shooting people as soon as they spawn, not cool.
Spawn camping however, is a cheap, pathetic tactic. Setting up shop one hundred metres away, go for it. I have nothing about that to say that people haven't. Shooting people as soon as they spawn, not cool.
hmmm... I don't know, I've never camped because I'm more of a run around kind of guy when it comes to online games, I guess it just feels kind of unfair to most people who play online games to get shoot in the back or meleed by some guy just standing behind it, of course, I can't really gauge my hate of campers cause I get mad at my deaths on a game no matter what(which is also the reason I'm never playing a non co-op mode on a video game with a microphone on)
I generally play FPS games where camping is not rewarded. Standing still will only get you killed, and sniping is, while powerful, isn't usually the optimal course of action.
For example, there might be a few advantageous positions on the map that might work better for a long-range weapon to hit other key positions, but you need to leave your sniping position or else you lose the game. Like, in Quake Live, you can sit and camp all you want, but your armor and health slowly tick down from 200/200 to 100/100, about 1 each second. Armor respawns in 25 seconds (red, yellow, green, shard = +100/+50/+25/+5), and the Megahealth (+100) respawns in 35. If you want to win a duel, you will be attempting to control the armor and health on the map so your opponent cannot get it.
If you sit in a good sniping position, they can stay on the other end of the map, stock up on armor while your armor slowly decays, and eventually they will have a larger health/armor stack and be able to rush your position while you have less effective health than them.
Same thing in UT without the armor decay. But they'll eventually get the same 200/200 you have and ALSO grab the damage amp (90 second respawn I think? been a while since I did a UT2K4 duel). So if you're dicking around waiting for them to come, an intelligent player will get EVERYTHING they possibly can, and THEN come and mop the floor with you because you don't have the resources they have.
That said, if you aim incredibly well and dodge incredibly well, it doesn't matter if they have everything. You can negate their stack with a couple well-placed shots. However, if they are equally skilled as you, two of their shots will kill you instead of taking your armor down a bit.
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However, in a FFA or public game, people are terrible so you can just sit and camp and spam nades and probably win.
For example, there might be a few advantageous positions on the map that might work better for a long-range weapon to hit other key positions, but you need to leave your sniping position or else you lose the game. Like, in Quake Live, you can sit and camp all you want, but your armor and health slowly tick down from 200/200 to 100/100, about 1 each second. Armor respawns in 25 seconds (red, yellow, green, shard = +100/+50/+25/+5), and the Megahealth (+100) respawns in 35. If you want to win a duel, you will be attempting to control the armor and health on the map so your opponent cannot get it.
If you sit in a good sniping position, they can stay on the other end of the map, stock up on armor while your armor slowly decays, and eventually they will have a larger health/armor stack and be able to rush your position while you have less effective health than them.
Same thing in UT without the armor decay. But they'll eventually get the same 200/200 you have and ALSO grab the damage amp (90 second respawn I think? been a while since I did a UT2K4 duel). So if you're dicking around waiting for them to come, an intelligent player will get EVERYTHING they possibly can, and THEN come and mop the floor with you because you don't have the resources they have.
That said, if you aim incredibly well and dodge incredibly well, it doesn't matter if they have everything. You can negate their stack with a couple well-placed shots. However, if they are equally skilled as you, two of their shots will kill you instead of taking your armor down a bit.
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However, in a FFA or public game, people are terrible so you can just sit and camp and spam nades and probably win.
ohhhhhhh. ima dumb-ass. i thought you guys were talking about real camping. like out in the woods. now i know we all love that.
I personally don't mind spawn camping in some games I hate it sometimes but most of the time I figure its not a big deal, I mean can't 5 guys take out one camper if they work together?
and because I have to
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and because I have to
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I agree with this. Camping is extremely annoying and almost ruins a game (TDM mostly). How is it possibly fun to sit in a corner the entire game? What gets me angry is the people who keep running back to the camper/s to try to kill them and continuously die... I much prefer running and gunning, I have a K/D of 1.87 doing that and it works for me. The only time I camp is when the game mode requires it or the bloody phone rings...kouriichi said:
I don't hate camping as much as I hate people with no skill. If you can camp in an area with multiple doors and kill me ok thats fine. If you camp at a corner with no other entry points with a shotgun pointed at whoever is unlucky enough to walk past? Thats not using any skill thats just flat out cheating, and annoying. If it is possible to kill you without a lucky shot or just you decided to not pay attenion then yes you are fine at camping. Otherwise you suck.
Also this is my first post here ever so Hi everyone
Also this is my first post here ever so Hi everyone
i hate camping for one sole reason...if everyone did it no one would get killed ever and thus multiplayer would be dead...also it just seems a bit lazy if you ask me "ok im just going to sit in this house and wack off until a guy comes walking in then ill kill him over and over and over until he feeds me a granade" im fine with sniping simply because thats how you use a sniper rifle when you have a SMG or shotgun ect you at least walk around...
Not really defending anything, infiltrating OUR base and just staying there, waiting till we spawn or run back. It'd be different if they stayed in THEIR base and defended.PeePantz said:
How do they manage that???elcamino41383 said:
I guess so but the 'traditional' sniper has to stay in one spot for a long time and wait for someone to go into his/her sight. It's like Sniper 101. And that's when Quick-Scoping and No-Scoping came along...Macgyvercas said:
^Bet most of the haters don't think that.
Anyway, people hate it because they feel it's a dirty and cheap tactic to get kills easily. After all, sitting in one spot and waiting for someone to come along can easily be seen as this whereas I think it's a legitimate tactic.
That's why you should chuck a grenade or be careful around every corner like real soldiers. Not that I think this should be compared.
My Shooter game has Campers but it's not so serious you have to crawl everywhere. But some maps...
Most of the time when I sprint moving from spot to spot with places that could be filled with campers I get killed.
I combine movement, camping and "anticamping". Usually only moving along the borders of the map in a fast pace.
A few tips if any care.
A proven tac is to keep you´re game irregular but with a overall plan, like described above.
Use the stats to find out where you die most and stay away from those areas. Always use you´re knife when possible, even a silenced gun makes noise. Tjek the coners for Claymores and gun pipes before entering a room. Especially the gunpipe part is very usefull when you learn to spot them.
A few tips if any care.
A proven tac is to keep you´re game irregular but with a overall plan, like described above.
Use the stats to find out where you die most and stay away from those areas. Always use you´re knife when possible, even a silenced gun makes noise. Tjek the coners for Claymores and gun pipes before entering a room. Especially the gunpipe part is very usefull when you learn to spot them.
people hate camping because shooters appeal to the adrenaline junkies who love being in fire fights and sitting on the edge of their seat with half their life gone and only 3 bullets left in the chamber. campers take away from the second-to-second fighting by going at it at a slow, tactical pace and tend to care more about their kill to death ratio rather than stacking up a max amount of kills and so they tend top win most encounters, taking away from the adrenaline junkies reason for playing. snipers are the worst for them because there is nothing worse then running into a fight where everybody is about to die from a wave of your machine gun than a single bullet from a sniper half way across the map
thats my thought on the matter anyways
thats my thought on the matter anyways
