camping, why does everyone hate it

[General_Potatoes]

Im not all that great at camping so i just go assault and let the campers stay behind.

 

[soulasylum85]

i dont camp because it bores the shit out of me

 

[Theninja'skatana]

MMM campers a Ninja's favorite snack. Sorry was I staring?
I do a little camping but usually I end up hunting firesides (new term for camping possibly when there are multiple campers) Aside from what you say (Haven't played black ops) Campers seem fairly... predictable so only rushers or idiots who don't know the meaning of patience
die from campers. That said yeah it can get frustrating.

 

[Theninja'skatana]

Spawn camping is never ok though.

Truer words were never typed.

 

[ViperC]

For me, I don't care that much about people who sit in one place and watch chokepoints. That's the way I play. But when someone sits in a random corner, waiting for that one person to walk in front of them, that's what irks me.

 

[Drexlor]

As long as they are contributing, I don't mind.

 

[The Rockerfly]

I honestly came into this thread expecting us to talk about camping in the countryside

If someone wants to have an unexciting time waiting in a corner then more power to him. However I find it boring and I really do not want to do that

 

[ShakesZX]

ive decided to come out the closet about being a camper. infact let me rephrase that, ive decided to stay inside the closet about being a camper, everyone knows us campers like to hide.

basically im a camper/ambusher, in blackops i have ghost pro with a silenced weapon, i hide somewhere plant a motion sensor, lure people into my sights with a decoy and shoot them like fish in a barrel. i then hide facing my original location and when they come back to get me they get a tomahawk in the back of thier head

this is camping at its worst it manipulates enemies and draws them into a trap ALTHOUGH camping is such a natural technique look at a mantis, a mantis will wait until its prey comes to it, likewise a spider sets up his web and awaits his prey. it works because its worked for millions of years. evolution is giving us campers a helping hand

just remember dont hate the player, hate the game

I at times like to camp, but that is only for (and I cannot stress this point enough) VERY, VERY, VERY brief periods of time. It is a nice mix up of pacing in a game, and it also throws off my opponents if i've been playing a particualr style pretty hard in a match.

I think a lot of the hate that campers get is derived from, when playing against a throughly aggresive camper (yes, I know it's an oxymoron, but it's true), the need to alter your fundamental playing style. It's like having someone tell you what to do, and no gamer likes that.

As an example:
---Say you are a camper. Furthermore, say that is the only way you know how to play a game and receive any enjoyment from that particular experience.
---In this particular FPS, once a player reaches a certain level, he/she receives the ability to see opponents who don't leave a designated area for a certain period of time, regardless of if he/she has line of sight. (Essentially gaining the ability to see campers through walls.)
---Now say that this gamer were also given a gun that could shoot through walls. And, because of the previously declared ability, spent the entire match(es) hunting down you and other campers. Let's add that there are even a group of people, similar to campers, where this is their main strategy.
---Finally, add that these people excel at killing you, because they exploit the way you play. Because of the way you play there is no way to beat them. Without changing your tactics/play style their is no possible way to come out ahead.

Would that make you mad? Of course it would, because you would then be forced to play in a way that is not enjoyable to you in order to win. Either that or continuously be killed and lose every game you play.

That is what it is like to play against a camper. Unless the game is multi-player only, the game is designed to play, and the player is taught to play, in a particular way that does not include enemies constantly camping. The frustration comes in having to play a particular experience that the player did not want or agree to play. They dislike having to behave in a manner that is unnatural to them (and in some cases, learning a whole new method). It is not that player's definition of fun, and while it may be permitted and earn you wins and enjoyment, it comes at the cost of the people who dislike having their experience dictated to them.

Edit: Also, I do hate the player...

 

[WanderingFool]

Hear hear. Survival of the fittest

Agreed, as the fittest are not always the one running all the time. But I rarely camp myself, as im pretty bad at it.

 

[Guy32]

I love camping. Out in the fresh air with my tent and my stove, fishing for dinner and sleeping under the stars.

It's teh best.

It's clear that I haven't played an fps in a while when I hear "camping", and, God forbid, think of the outdoor activity.

 

[lizards]

first off, am i the only one fucking sick of the rationalization of "well people in real war do it" this isnt a real war this is a video game most people play to have fun

whats not fun is to kill someone, step into a building to reload and then as you step into it you get killed by somebody who was hanging out in the corner of the room you just entered

camping is different than defending a spot though, i want to clarify this, but their is an easy difference between the two: defending a spot is when you actively try and keep people away from the area you are in, camping is when you just sit in the corner trying to kill people

if you dont mind camping then you are either a camper or take the game WAY to seriously, because going around killing the enemy is fun, what is not fun is coming around a corner only to get shot by someone that is sitting in the corner

and i also say someone ask why people have a problem with campers but not snipers, obviously a very dumb question but whatever: what do you expect a sniper to do exactly? rush into a crowd of enemies? camping for them is fine because they are easily killed when you get close, except if its modernwarfare 2 in which case they will usally have some semi auto bullshit sniper or an auto shotgun usally both, overall though i think games would be benefit from just not having snipers

 

[lizards]

ive decided to come out the closet about being a camper. infact let me rephrase that, ive decided to stay inside the closet about being a camper, everyone knows us campers like to hide.

basically im a camper/ambusher, in blackops i have ghost pro with a silenced weapon, i hide somewhere plant a motion sensor, lure people into my sights with a decoy and shoot them like fish in a barrel. i then hide facing my original location and when they come back to get me they get a tomahawk in the back of thier head

this is camping at its worst it manipulates enemies and draws them into a trap ALTHOUGH camping is such a natural technique look at a mantis, a mantis will wait until its prey comes to it, likewise a spider sets up his web and awaits his prey. it works because its worked for millions of years. evolution is giving us campers a helping hand

just remember dont hate the player, hate the game

I at times like to camp, but that is only for (and I cannot stress this point enough) VERY, VERY, VERY brief periods of time. It is a nice mix up of pacing in a game, and it also throws off my opponents if i've been playing a particualr style pretty hard in a match.

I think a lot of the hate that campers get is derived from, when playing against a throughly aggresive camper (yes, I know it's an oxymoron, but it's true), the need to alter your fundamental playing style. It's like having someone tell you what to do, and no gamer likes that.

As an example:
---Say you are a camper. Furthermore, say that is the only way you know how to play a game and receive any enjoyment from that particular experience.
---In this particular FPS, once a player reaches a certain level, he/she receives the ability to see opponents who don't leave a designated area for a certain period of time, regardless of if he/she has line of sight. (Essentially gaining the ability to see campers through walls.)
---Now say that this gamer were also given a gun that could shoot through walls. And, because of the previously declared ability, spent the entire match(es) hunting down you and other campers. Let's add that there are even a group of people, similar to campers, where this is their main strategy.
---Finally, add that these people excel at killing you, because they exploit the way you play. Because of the way you play there is no way to beat them. Without changing your tactics/play style their is no possible way to come out ahead.

Would that make you mad? Of course it would, because you would then be forced to play in a way that is not enjoyable to you in order to win. Either that or continuously be killed and lose every game you play.

That is what it is like to play against a camper. Unless the game is multi-player only, the game is designed to play, and the player is taught to play, in a particular way that does not include enemies constantly camping. The frustration comes in having to play a particular experience that the player did not want or agree to play. They dislike having to behave in a manner that is unnatural to them (and in some cases, learning a whole new method). It is not that player's definition of fun, and while it may be permitted and earn you wins and enjoyment, it comes at the cost of the people who dislike having their experience dictated to them.

Edit: Also, I do hate the player...

a much less extreme opinion and less aggressive opinion than mine (the one above it) but a VERY VERY good example nonetheless

 

[Polaris19]

I don't hate camping as long as it's being used for a good reason. You wanna go camp out by that bomb plant site? Fine.

What pisses me off are the campers who hide away from everything just waiting for someone to pass by in a place where a max total of three people will appear in a round. Using it for tactics is one thing. Using it to be annoying = Bad move.

Also, in an objective based mode, I don't want to see everyone except me camping going for kills. If it's capture the flag, lets go capture the flag. If it's territories lets go hold the territories. If it's Sabotage, lets go blow that plant site up. You can camp to defend,, but if your on the attacking side, only one or two people max should be camping, if at all.

 

[ShakesZX]

I love camping. Out in the fresh air with my tent and my stove, fishing for dinner and sleeping under the stars.

It's teh best.

It's clear that I haven't played an fps in a while when I hear "camping", and, God forbid, think of the outdoor activity.

But don't you bring a gun with you when you perfrom the actual outdoor activity too? or is that just a "my family" thing?

 

[MisterGobbles]

Back in the days before i owned an Xbox 360, I was an avid World at War player on the Wii. One of the things about this version of the game was that about half of the people who played online were absolutely terrible at it. On other versions of the CoD games my k/d is normally about even; here it was ridiculously high. People would return to camp at the same spots no matter how many times you killed them, so if you used some bouncing betties at a spot you had just killed a camper at, you were guaranteed another kill. It was almost eerie...

So camping is a technique used either by people who know nothing about what they are doing, or by people who know way too much about what they are doing. If done wrong, it's an easy kill for you; if done right, it can be quite devastating.

But campers don't piss me off. People who completely ignore the objective in objective game types piss me off.

 

[kickyourass]

I'm fine with camping, as far as I am concerned hiding in places where people are likely to pass without seeing you is a perfectly valid strategy (As long as you aren't using hacks or exploiting glitches of course) and if you're good at it I see no reason you shouldn't do it. It's the Spawn Campers that I think need to be castrated. Spawn Camping about as low of a strategy as you can get without resorting to hacks.

 

[uchi mata]

Well I don't get mad at campers I just don't understand them how is siting in one place a killing people when they run into your spot fun. I was under the belief that gamer were supposed to be fun who cares if you die you'll come back 30 seconds later. Well whatever works for you guys.

 

[ShakesZX]

Well I don't get mad at campers I just don't understand them how is siting in one place a killing people when they run into your spot fun. I was under the belief that gamer were supposed to be fun who cares if you die you'll come back 30 seconds later. Well whatever works for you guys.

They do find that kind of play fun. That's why they keep doing it.

 

[Pyroguekenesis]

I am a camper and I love doing it, but within good reason. People hate it because they believe it incorporates no skill whatsoever, well....if people complain about that then snipers shouldnt have even been in the game - what do people expect from a class of specialist soldier that ACTUALLY DOES camp, keeping in mind that their weapon HAS to be reloaded after each shot unless its semi-automatic.

On Battlefield: Bad Company - Sniping is LITERAL sniping, the map sizes allow actual sniping stay true to what sniper/recon actually do. I can snipe from almost one end to the other, and STILL camp and defend/take out the objectives or at least prevent fellow snipers from having dogtags stolen from them.Camping can be abused a slight bit though, due to the absence of kill-cam. Recently I was in one map where the teammates of the opposition kept spawning behind or base with a tank and annoyingly kept spawn camping us when we well.....spawned.

On Call of Duty: I believe isn't actual sniping so to speak but rather urban sniping. I've seen a quick-scoping camper before and he wasn't actually too bad....he camped the area than just one place.

There is a difference between good and bad camping. Good camping I have seen many times and I respect them, these are people who can actually camp AND defend or take objectives. Good campers can snipe from a location that provides a both an attacking and defending position. Like planting charges in Gold Rush, a good camper I saw had thrown a motion sensor into the area and ran off somewhere, then all these enemies came in to disarm it - me and him just ended up sniping them cause the whole building was blown up and we were actually surrounded by a forest. Bad camping is when they do literally nothing and contribute nothing to help the team. Bad-camping is when they would rather sit in one location where a random person would run by, when they could actually do more of the same thing and get more kills for it. Even if it just comprises of killing people - killing people prevents that one person from doing what they wanted. Like in WANTED - Kill one, save a thousand.

Spawn camping is basically the most grievously bitching thing that I would describe to be, what sad, sad players who can't afford to learn how to . But I cannot judge the player by that, I don't know if there is any problem in their lives and they need to vent it out... or if they are simply doing it for to piss of people.

Can't wait to get B:BC2, I've always loved Sniper Elite so I'm going to love adjusting my gameplay from there. But what I hate now is the kill-cam, yes, there is some extent where it would be nice but seriously, on B:BC where there wasn't any kill-cam and everyone could snipe like a real sniper (Unlike Call of Duty) and NOT have their position revealed like some duped up AI who can see a mile away with a target on their head. Even if I have been sniped before, if any of my teammates die in front of me....

WOAH HINT! - Use the physics engine and predict the bullet direction from how my teammate died.

Anyway, have fun!

 

[uchi mata]

Well I don't get mad at campers I just don't understand them how is siting in one place a killing people when they run into your spot fun. I was under the belief that gamer were supposed to be fun who cares if you die you'll come back 30 seconds later. Well whatever works for you guys.

They do find that kind of play fun. That's why they keep doing it.

O I'm sure they do that's a giving and that's cool I just don't understand it