Can (Internet) Piracy ever be Justified?

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Allan1221

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Opposite to a lot of what as been said all piracy is, is breaking the contract of which you signed with the distributer.

If you download a game from a file shareing site(wether that is a torrent or not) you are not makeing an illegal act, for downloading that file doesnt break the contraqct you inhearently signed with the provider, which is generally do not reditribute or sell.

In this situation it is the uploader who is in the wrong, they have broken both the games distributers contract in that they can not redistribute or sell the product in question, and they have brocken the upload sites contract, that they should not be uploading copywrited files.

And the filehoast is actually not doing anything illegal, provided that when the games distributer hands them a cease and dissist that they obey. They get around any wrong by the fact that with the uploader they will have added a claus stateing that(previously mentioned) no copywrited matirial can be uploaded.

This is very similar with music in videos, The viewer has had no illegal acts by simply viewing it, nor does the file hoast, as both of these partys have protection by the contract they signed, however the uploader in this case is the only one at faul as they broke the contract to both the copywrite holder and the sites contract with them.

In the case of "It will never come to my area so I can download it" this applys to all cases similar, the person who downloaded the file is in no legal trouble, as long as when they get a court order destruction order they follow it, this means that when the uploader gets a fine and is sent to jail(im an Aussie and I cringe at that spelling, :) ) all you have to do is erase all copys of the file.

The only time where the downloader of the site hoasting the upload would get in trouble would be if they didn't conform to the order they recive from the court, or if the court can prove malicious intent, which means that you were going to sell it, knowing that that is illegal, or that you were profiting off it knowingly.

So Basicly as a general rule of thumb, don't download any suspicious files, if you cant see the contract from the hoast and the game and conferm that no wrong doing is on your behalf, don't download it.

And to the people who say "it isnt hurting there bottom line" well actually it is. If Everyone, instead of paying for the product, downloaded it for free, the company wouldnt be getting any profit, downloading does hurt there bottom line, so that is no exuse.

Now all ive said is the US(and Australia, we have almost identical law in this regaurd) laws take on this, this does not incude the law from specific places, some states or countries have different and additional laws, so make sure you check your local law as well.

One more thing, abandon ware. This Is Legal. Abandon ware is when a game is no longer supported by its creators and lisence holders and they have either given the expressed permission to have it freely distributed, the licence has cut out (some will have a cut out date on them, but it is not the norm anymore) or a loophole has been found.
 

BlueMage

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In a word: Yes.

In a few words: Yes, but with Steam being so cheap the incentive is mostly gone.
 

Dys

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Nifty said:
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Piracy is piracy, doesn't matter if it's theft or not, it'll always be illegal. So no, it can't be justified.
Notable revolutionaries in France, America and Rome decided to break the law and had no trouble justifying it. More than that, seemingly everyone thinks they were right to do so. Legality has no bearing on justifaction, justice or right vs wrong. It is the law of the land and it can often be unjust or outdated.
It's not exactly in the same ball park as revolution though. We're not talking about people rising up against an oppressive regime, we're talking about folks not wanting to pay for things that other folks try to make a living out of by selling.
My point was that legality and morality are not the same thing, something being illegal isn't a very good justification as to why it shouldn't be done (though the consequences of breaking the law are incentive for abiding it).
But morality and legality are intertwined on a profound level. Laws are, largely, cooked up to back up what most would consider good morals.

Though I do somewhat agree with your next point. You could justify something morally that's against the law if it was say, stealing a loaf of bread to feed your family and you were living in poverty, but that's something you need to live. And entertainment like videogames, music and film just don't fit into the same category, they're a luxury.
In many countries things like freedom of speech or freedom of information are considered a luxury, however I know many people who regard them as being a necessity for a 'good' (as oppose to evil) society. Look, ultimately I think I've made my point and you're welcome to distinguish between these cases and the case of media piracy, I just inherently dislike the logic of "it's the law and therefore it's righteous".
 

night_chrono

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Hive Mind said:
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Please answer this question then:

If it was the social norm for all forms of music and art to be freely exchanged, would you still be against it, and why?
I'm autistic; my morals are word for word whatever the law happens to be. Black and white, yes. Immoral? It can be. Stupid? At times. But I don't have morals like most people, so the law is what I use as a reference.

If it was socially normal to freely exchange media but still illegal, I would be against it. If it was legal, I'd be for it. Well, I'm neither for or against anything in this topic, really. The law is just the law. I'm not pro or anti piracy in a moral sense -- not having morals and all, lol. But the law says it's wrong so...
I'm sorry for your troubles. I have family members who are the exact same way, and now I understand that your not trolling, it's just who you are.
 

Hive Mind

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night_chrono said:
Hive Mind said:
night_chrono said:
Hive Mind said:
Please answer this question then:

If it was the social norm for all forms of music and art to be freely exchanged, would you still be against it, and why?
I'm autistic; my morals are word for word whatever the law happens to be. Black and white, yes. Immoral? It can be. Stupid? At times. But I don't have morals like most people, so the law is what I use as a reference.

If it was socially normal to freely exchange media but still illegal, I would be against it. If it was legal, I'd be for it. Well, I'm neither for or against anything in this topic, really. The law is just the law. I'm not pro or anti piracy in a moral sense -- not having morals and all, lol. But the law says it's wrong so...
I'm sorry for your troubles. I have family members who are the exact same way, and now I understand that your not trolling, it's just who you are.
I really must learn to not be so much like me when I'm talking to strangers -- people who don't understand the way I speak, lol. Would save me sooo much strife.
 

Jon Shannow

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Maybe if the game is no longer in production or if you literally can't buy it. i.e if you are a nomad in the Mongolian Steppes so have no fixed abode and no shops around. then it could be justified