I'd say no. The whole "fight fire with fire" thing doesn't work for me. The only place I can see it as justified is in times of war or if the guilty cannot be stopped even in jail.
Can killing be justified?
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hey man, i love your avatar. but i disagree with what you are saying. mostly because i am atheist, and to a point because in all reality, is the soccer mom who was protecting her kids from a serial rapist as bad a person as the serial rapist and killer who rapes their victims, skins them alive and leaves their dead corpses at the bottom of a river? or in "God's" eyes are they both equal? if the latter is what you believe, than you just confirmed to me why i am an atheist. im not trying to be a dick, im just pointing out my beliefs.blakfayt said:
OT: Yes, if someone's trying to rape you (for example) you're going to do anything you can to stop them; if that means killing them then so be it.
Then there are some people that should not be kept alive. Note that I'm strongly against the death penalty, but if Hitler had been found instead of killing himself, he should have been executed.
However, the whole "eye-for-an-eye" death row system in America is barbaric to me - it doesn't even deter crime anyway.
Then there are some people that should not be kept alive. Note that I'm strongly against the death penalty, but if Hitler had been found instead of killing himself, he should have been executed.
However, the whole "eye-for-an-eye" death row system in America is barbaric to me - it doesn't even deter crime anyway.
Killing is already justified as you only kill out of necessity to survive like when we kill cows or when a tree overshadows another tree and deprives it of water. That is what killing is and it is a perfectly natural part of life. Murder however, can never be justified. Murder is killing someone or something for the heck of it and having absolutely no reason for it.
I'm not gonna pretend and say that "ooh, how about guys like Hitler" and all that, because really.. why would I kill Hitler, he never afected me, history and everything that happens has a point and it helps shape the future so I might say Hitler was a necessary evil, however I will say this much, if someone is trying to kill me I am justified to kill him, I don't care if you might think I'm cruel or lack morals but at least I'm alive.
Some people might argue this point by saying that you might be able to save your life without killing your attacker, but really ... when someone's trying to kill me the last thing I'm worried about is his well being.
Some people might argue this point by saying that you might be able to save your life without killing your attacker, but really ... when someone's trying to kill me the last thing I'm worried about is his well being.
They wouldn't exactly be victims if they tried to kill him first would they? That would make him not a serial killer as well.RedMenace said:
It's not as black and white as that. Say my family was starving. Does it make it right then if I kill the owner of the bakery and steal all the food there? I mean it's entirely possible that my and my family would die otherwise, but what then about the baker and his family? Does it make it better if he was as cruel man?Glademaster said:
What is and is not murder is entirely up to the society you live in. In the US on a personal level it is acceptable to take the life of another to preserve your own life, the life of another, and your lively hood. Less so with the lively hood in this day and age, but still acceptable in some manner, banks hiring armed escorts for their money for instance. On a social level it is acceptable for punishment reasons. Last it is in the service of our country, which can mean police actions, war, and the like.
It differs in other cultures, in some religious reason are acceptable. In others punishment is not.
You can justify anything. Think of all the dick moves you have pulled in the past (and we all have at some point). At the time it seemed justified and may still seem justified today. You have to be able to square any action you take with your world view. Even if your justification is "I was drunk, thats not what I'm like normally".
So it's better to let a serial killer live,than to kill him?He doesn't deserve it?Noelveiga said:
No, killing is never justified.
It's just wrong, to kill someone for killing someone, or anyone. That's not justice, that's vengence, it's taking them out of the equation when it comes to facing the consequences of their actions because when they're dead, they don't have to worry about it.
In my opinion murderers have as much right to live as anyone else, but they should be removed. Thrown into a prison until they die of old age or the world runs out of food.
It's just wrong, to kill someone for killing someone, or anyone. That's not justice, that's vengence, it's taking them out of the equation when it comes to facing the consequences of their actions because when they're dead, they don't have to worry about it.
In my opinion murderers have as much right to live as anyone else, but they should be removed. Thrown into a prison until they die of old age or the world runs out of food.
Killing is acceptable. When you kill, you do it to protect or defend.
Murder cannot be justified. You murder for selfish gain or in a fit of rage.
[small][sub]Yeah, yeah.... I know they pretty much mean the same thing, but they're different.... right? [/sub][/small]
Murder cannot be justified. You murder for selfish gain or in a fit of rage.
[small][sub]Yeah, yeah.... I know they pretty much mean the same thing, but they're different.... right? [/sub][/small]
i think it is justified in self defence, capital punishment or if the police shoot someone. im not sure about revenge, if someone killed my family, i would want them dead but i dont think i could take their life.
If I just so happen to have a shotgun and I just so happen to be near a killer then I think a chance to try out my toy is justification enough.
But seriously, I believe that if you try to ruin someone's life, by say murdering them, then you deserve to have your life taken away because you can't be trusted to use it.
But seriously, I believe that if you try to ruin someone's life, by say murdering them, then you deserve to have your life taken away because you can't be trusted to use it.
I agree with you on the man-slaughter thing. If someone came into my house with the intention of stealing something, and I draw a knife as a deterrant, and in his own stupidity runs towards me and I happen to stab him, then I obviously didn't mean to kill him, or injure him at all for that matter. Accidents happen, so in that case I believed it can be justified. Not acceptable, but justified.Pegghead said:
The only intentional murder I could think of that would be justified would be murders that benefit the masses, such as oppressive dictators etc. Revenge at the rate of one life for a life never benefits anyone, you just end up with two dead bodies. Murder is never something that helps unless, like I said before, it is to aid the masses.
Hellz yeah. You should run for governor or something. With a motto like that you're sure to do our state proudAWDMANOUT said:
What if you ruin someone's life, say, by driving drunk and running into them and paralyzing them from the neck down (or even the waist down). Would that be grounds for deserving to have your life taken away, because you can't be trusted to use it?HotShooter said:
So it's better to let killers skate right on by getting three squares a day,and life in a cell while their victim doesn't get any retribution?The victim's family lives knowing full well that the man who hurt them is alive and theres nothing they can do and that the person may one day be released to kill again?Well all that goverment bullshit makes my headspin,and bureucrats make me sick.Noelveiga said: