Can people not enjoy movies anymore?

[CaptainMarvelous]

I liked the movie o.o but it isn't flawless.

You can't get mad at people for taking issue with things because you can do that with literally anything. It's when you do it solely to re-inforce a negative opinion (looking at Bob with Amazing Spiderman) while denying anything good in the movie and then do this multiple times until everyone's sick of it, THEN it turns into a problem. Not to mention, as has been said, on the internet when this happens you just argue BACK.

 

[dreadedcandiru99]

Surely different people can have different opinions, though. If you enjoyed the movie, great--why should it matter to you what anyone else thought of it?

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

Can we stop using the unpopular opinion tag? Even ironically?

I think that men should be able to rape whoever they want. That's an unpopular opinion.

I think there should be another terrorist attack on America. That's an unpopular opinion.

Perspective!

And besides, this opinion isn't unpopular. More and more it's becoming acceptable for anyone, even movie critics, to admit to liking movies with objective flaws in writing/direction/acting as long as they enjoyed them. Heck, Roger Ebert has been liking bad movies for years.

There are only two types of people you'll hear talking in the aftermath of a big movie release. The ones who thought it was the greatest movie ever and the nitpick brigade. They are the minority and they are the most vocal, because they care. Anyone who just went, enjoyed it and doesn't have a stake in it won't talk about it.

 

[tobi the good boy]

I don't mind it when people complain. I just dislike it when people keep using the word "Hate". These people who throw the word around for things that clearly do not deserve it... Annoy me.

 

[Something Amyss]

It's exactly the same reason SWTOR gets such a critical kicking from many people - if you claim something is ground breaking, revolutionary and/or perfect then it damn well better be those things, or people are going to call you out on it.

I think this really does need to be emphasised more. It's almost like, if you talk big you should expect to be held to those standards.

You'll generally find that the people who complain about make up a strikingly small percentage of the actual opinions.

What is it that TV studios say, every complaint filed is equal to about 30,000 offended people? Something along those lines. It's the same things here.

People on this site just so happen to be made up quite heavily of the small percentage that enjoys criticising movies.

If 1 person writing a letter equals 30,000 people, then you're making the opposite of the point you intend to.

 

[DoPo]

TL;DR, Enjoy your movies guys (and hell, even games) sure there is some shit out there, but really just enjoy yourself and think of entertainment as an experience and not something to critique.

That's a cool advice. I wander why you didn't follow it, though. You enjoyed the movie, yes? And there is some shit out there, yes? Then why aren't you entertained enough to turn a blind eye to the stuff you didn't like?

As a side note (not directed at the Batman movie) - if it has plotholes, why should we ignore them? I haven't seen Dark Knight Rises, nor do intend to in the near future, but a plot hole would be a internal inconsistency rather than discrepencies with the real world, I would have thought. And we should ignore them because...why? Because the movie has awesomez coolz fightning scenez? Some people watch movies for the plot and aren't fazed that much by the action.

 

[Aurora Firestorm]

The main problem I have with people watching movies these days, is that they're getting frustrated at plots reoccurring. Dude, the same stories have been told in various media for ages and ages. The one movie recently that had me thinking about this was Avatar.

Yes, it really is just Dances with Wolves or Pocahontas or Fern Gully in space. WHO CARES? It was a wonderful movie! It retold the story brilliantly! The graphics were mind-blowing! The music was great! So why are you bitching that the story has been done before?

There is nothing new under the sun. Even movies like Inception, hailed as a unique mind-screw, have been done.

This is actually why I'm glad I don't watch many movies; I have only seen one of the three big names dropped as Avatar's "you ripped these off" list: Pocahontas. So this is actually a fresh plot to me.

Good grief, you guys are all so jaded.

 

[burymagnets]

I don't think many people on the escapist will be looking to "just enjoy" a movie. Many people love to think about films and how they're put together; I enjoy it so much I've got a degree in it!

The Dark Knight series has made alot of odd choices but I still love them. They're still atmospheric, well shot and acted and use refreshingly different story structures. Anyone niggling at minor errors is using them to justify their own subjective distate for the film, which they shouldn't have to justify at all.

As long as you don't force your opinion on others you're entitled to it.

 

[Zen Toombs]

Ok, so i went to see Dark Knight Rises last night and...i fucking loved it. It was a good conclusion to the saga and i legitamately did not see the twists and turns coming, also with an epic score, this is just my new favourite movie.

So, opinions aside, it upset me that so many people on the internet are complaining about the smallest details, y'know, the nit-picking and the complaining of unrealistic situations. C'mon, really? you are upset about unrealistic bits and pieces in a film that was inspired by a comic book where a guy dresses as a bat and fights crime?

I admit, there would be a few things i would change up in the film but not to the point that i would despise it,rant and rave about it because i was too busy having a damn good time.

TL;DR, Enjoy your movies guys (and hell, even games) sure there is some shit out there, but really just enjoy yourself and think of entertainment as an experience and not something to critique.

/unpopular opinion.

So some people don't like a specific movie, and now you extrapolate that it means that people can't enjoy movies anymore? ......Interesting theory.

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Why should we not critique our experiences? That is what allows us to compare them (e.g. liking "Band of Brothers" better than "Pacific"), and decide wether we want to experience (or reexperience) one thing or another.

We can also use the critiques of others to determine whether we want to experience something with our limited time and money (e.g. "that new Star Trek movie looked cool, but I don't want to watch it if it's bad").

Also, if we don't critique things, those things will not change (e.g. the "Retake Mass Effect"[footnote]not dragging this in here, just using it as an example.[/footnote] causing EA to release a bunch of DLC for free and to change their plans so that they could create the Extended Cut DLC). Okay, that's not the best example because I was more talking about "people liked the intrigue and hate the choppy action sequences about our movie, so make the next movie have more intrigue and less choppy in the action sequences".

Spoiler: And an extremely minor nitpick because I once was corrected on the same thing:

rant and rave about it

Both are talking about something with passion. But "rant" is talking about something in a negative fashion, while "rave" is in a positive fashion.

 

[Ninjamedic]

So you take offense to the fact that people don't have the same opinion or tastes as you?

Yes, it really is just Dances with Wolves or Pocahontas or Fern Gully in space. WHO CARES? It was a wonderful movie! It retold the story brilliantly! The graphics were mind-blowing! The music was great! So why are you bitching that the story has been done before?

The fact that the story is actually a paper thin allegory to supposed western imperialism (Your White? Then that makes you a bastard!) that falls apart instantly once you lift the plot word for word into a new setting. There's retelling a timeless story, and then there's just laziness.

 

[Danzavare]

I loved the movie and because I do, I'm more likely to look into it. I think the problem here is that you assume that critiquing/looking into something automatically disqualifies it from being entertaining. I feel in most cases if something is truly entertaining, it'll be even more entertaining and enriching if I keep looking into it. Just because it's entertainment does not mean it's necessarily shallow or shouldn't be thought about. For example, if we described the Dark Knight Rises as;

a film that was inspired by a comic book where a guy dresses as a bat and fights crime?

It really does seem stupid. Of course, people have been questioning the films and Batman for ages, so we get levels of entertainment and meaning that transcend the superficial realities of the films/games. Bruce Wayne isn't just a guy in a cape punching people, there's a lot more to him and the world around him. Batman (At least as far as Nolan's films are concerned) tends to get more interesting the more you think about it. If we all approached the movies with a 'switch-off-your-brain' mindset I guarantee we wouldn't get movies as good as the Dark Knight: Rises nor could we enjoy them for all they had to offer.

Honestly, I can understand if you're annoyed by people trying to force you into extended discussions/critiques about the film in real life or in off-topic tangents. Sure, that's fine. It's an entirely different matter to complain about these discussions existing. Be secure in the fact you enjoy it and just avoid bigger discussions about it.

 

[TTMichael18]

Ok, so i went to see Dark Knight Rises last night and...i fucking loved it. It was a good conclusion to the saga and i legitamately did not see the twists and turns coming, also with an epic score, this is just my new favourite movie.

So, opinions aside, it upset me that so many people on the internet are complaining about the smallest details, y'know, the nit-picking and the complaining of unrealistic situations. C'mon, really? you are upset about unrealistic bits and pieces in a film that was inspired by a comic book where a guy dresses as a bat and fights crime?

I admit, there would be a few things i would change up in the film but not to the point that i would despise it,rant and rave about it because i was too busy having a damn good time.

TL;DR, Enjoy your movies guys (and hell, even games) sure there is some shit out there, but really just enjoy yourself and think of entertainment as an experience and not something to critique.

/unpopular opinion.

Damn, people aren't allowed to dislike it because you enjoyed it?! Seriously, if the unrealistic situations annoy some people, that's completely forgivable. "Oh hey, let's shoot at the truck holding an armed nuclear bomb," "Hey, the bomb goes off in one minute, let's kiss for ten seconds," "Hey, I'll fly the bomb out into the ocean, nobody cares about thousands of marine life"

There's a difference between unrealism and stupidity. And you may not have guessed the twists, but they were obvious as hell. The child not being Bane was practically explained before it was revealed. They say, "The doctor put the mask on Bane" then 5 minutes later, there's an unmasked kid climbing out of the prison. HOW OBVIOUS DOES IT GET? If you know anything about the comics, you know Bane isn't Ra's' son. The (at first) totally unnecessary fling between Talia and Bruce was only put in to hint at his love interest with her in the comics (he won't marry her because he doesn't want to marry into the League of Shadows).

The death of Bane was anti-climatic. Catwoman blows through a wall, kills Bane, scene fas ten seconds long at most. OH. Okay. That's all we see?

And before anyone complains about "Oh you're not meant to compare the movie to the comic!" SHUT UP. 1; It's a movie based off of a comic, of course it will be compared to the comic. 2; they took one of the most iconic Batman comic scenes and re-made it for the film (and it was also anti-climatic).

Also, minor nitpick; the reason for Bane's mask is stupid and eliminates any way for Bane to eat and drink (apart from feeding tubes...)

 

[TTMichael18]

I won't get started on the sloppy ending and Nolan's never ending endeavour to explain everything he's doing in fine detail in every scene.

 

[TTMichael18]

And yes, I actually did enjoy this movie to an extent. Despite Bane being an underwhelming villain, the film was still enjoyable because of the top notch acting and cinematography.

 

[Misterian]

I'll be frank, I haven't watched Dark Knight Rises yet, but then, I don't really have any interest in it.

But that's not to say I didn't enjoy some of the films that have come out in recent years. I enjoyed the following:

Legend of the Guardians

Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes

The Avengers (along with all the films that were building up to it, but Avengers I've listed one of my favorite films of all time just at my first time watching it.)

Toy Story 3

Where The Wild Things Are

The list can go on. I'm normally a little nit-picky when it comes to films, but I found some ones I liked.

 

[The_Waspman]

Like Movie Bob said in Intermission a few weeks ago, its because we all know... Ok, maybe thats taking it too far... but the resources for us to know pretty much every single detail of the production is there. From the internet to the massive studio marketing machines, its possible to find out everything. Combine that with the massive amounts of hype, and everything is built up too much, and therefore, disappointment is more than likely.

Using an example from DKR

Spoiler: DO NOT READ if you haven't seen the film yet

Even though I purposefully didn't seek out the information, I knew that Marion Cotillards character was actually Talia al Ghul over a year ago.

Its much worse with video games, since production cycles on them are much longer than movies.

Personally, while I was looking forward to Dark Knight Rises, I wasn't overly excited about it. I knew it wasn't going to be as good as Dark Knight, and I was right. Combine that with a fucking appalling sound mix and I left the film... not disappointed exactly, but I certainly didn't feel the immense satisfaction I feel from leaving a film that I loved. Overall, i felt the whole film was somewhat inconsequential. It was too loose and all over the place for my liking. As others above have pointed out, flaws in something can be a lot more evident than things that work. Or maybe its just because the majority are becoming more cynical and jaded, the flaws stay with us for longer.

 

[sethisjimmy]

I see the nitpicking and small detail complaints as a sign of the fact that those people did in fact enjoy the movie, and care enough about it to complain about parts they didn't like.

This issue comes up every now and then in the news. Someone in the game industry says "why don't you just enjoy your games and stop complaining constantly" or "why are you all complaining about these great AAA games, look how good you have it".

The answer is simple.
Thinking critically is not only a vital skill in life, but is even sometimes enjoyable in media, and without criticism, there would be no progression, no improvement, no originality.

 

[Relish in Chaos]

Well, most fandoms of pretty much anything like to ***** about the smallest things. Also, I think the overwhelming hype for the film may?ve raised people?s expectations a bit too high, so they rage when it doesn?t turn out to be as good as The Dark Knight in their eyes (because people apparently haven?t suppressed their boner for Heath Ledger?s Joker yet).

Oh yeah, and TTMichael18? For the love of God, use the fucking spoiler tags!

 

[TTMichael18]

Oh yeah, and TTMichael18? For the love of God, use the fucking spoiler tags!

Why would people be in this thread if they hadn't seen it and were ready to state their opinion on it?

 

[DoPo]

Oh yeah, and TTMichael18? For the love of God, use the fucking spoiler tags!

Why would people be in this thread if they hadn't seen it and were ready to state their opinion on it?

Because the title says nothing about the context of the content. Furthermore, the OP didn't include spoiler information. Finally, because it is actually a generic rant backed up by a single example, rather than an actual Batman thread.