can we bring back good vampires please?

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MelziGurl

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Chorionicstu said:
Everyone who watched Twilight should be forced to read or watch Hellsing. The exact opposite of Twilight. This will force them to realize that Vampires are bloodthirsty killing machines with no human feelings of love and compassion.
I've watched alot of vampire films, I haven't watched them all but I can accept that their are different adaptions and move on with my life. Nothing annoys me more than people who can't get past their hate and continuously start up HATE threads without searching for all the HATE threads that already exist.

Seriously, there is no "real" vampire. On variations and depending on those variations you either like them or you don't. It's a simple thing, or at least that's what I thought.
 

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I think I'll just stick with my old favourites, Lestat and Marius, and know that they would rip the living-dead shit out of a sparkly sparkly vampire =/
 

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Vampirism has always been about sexual deviance, about animalistic lust, about seduction and charm, about... Well, sex. In an age when sexual deviance (and by deviance I mean "women enjoying sex, much less being sexually liberated") was seen as a plague spreading from the eastern European countries, you have Dracula, a story about how loose sexual mores can get you killed.

But what happens when sexual deviance becomes okay? When overt sexualization and sexuality is not only allowed, but encouraged? Basically, what happens when people in Western society realize that sex is awesome? Well, the fear of sexual liberation and of lust becomes much less powerful. The "risky" and adventurous side of sex, rather than being something to fear and hide from becomes a cornerstone of society. Vampires have always been the sexual ideal from the perspective of "hot, sultry, seductive, charming man/woman" the only difference is in the display of consequences.

Back when any sexuality was bad, all vampires were bad and scary. In a time when sexuality is revered, we've taken a step back and fetishized vampires. We'd all now love to be immortal, preternaturally handsome, powerful, suave, and all those other great things about vampires. All that's left to make vampires, then, compelling is the idea of a vampire who doesn't necessarily want all of that.

It makes for an interesting juxtaposition in media (if done well) given that most men and women would jump at the opportunity to possess the qualities which we believe make vampires awesome and desirable. Instead of evil villains, they become internally tormented. As the outward-facing "problems" with vampires have become less and less troubling, authors have had to shift to either more overtly evil vampires, or toward angsty vampires.

Either vampires had to become victims of their own urges, or had to become completely craven. Representing, of course, our current sexual mores. Men are told to repress our more animalistic urges except in certain contexts; the "nice guy" dichotomy of desperately wanting to have sex, but feeling the need to push that down in order to not give in to our ids. And the villain vampire represents the opposite, the man given in completely to temptation.

I hadn't thought of it until now, but vampirism is now about male sexuality rather than female sexuality.
 

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I refuse to accept that Twilight is in any way related to vampires. Or, at least, that they are gay vampires. And those fucking werewolves in the trailer I saw... How can they all have shaven chests? They must also be gay werewolves!

Anyways, let's all just forget about twilight and let the fans of the series cut their neck or drink each others blood, so that they die and do not taint humanity's gene pool with their dna :S
 

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kingpin44 said:
Alucard is amused by sparkly vampires, only reason they are still alive
Really? Because I wish he would turn them into a fine dust and scatter them over Mt. Vesuvius.
 

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Seldon2639 said:
Verrenxnon said:
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I found your reply to be thorough and intuitive. The use of vampires to deal with society's current sexual dilemmas may yet take an interesting turn in the forthcoming "Daybreakers" in which nearly everyone is vampirised/sexualized. Purportedly there will be tension between creation of humans to feed upon and devising a cure for vampirism. Have we really come to the turning point of our sexual middleground?

It amuses me that Africa's !Kung-san tribe has no word for 'virgin.' To them, it is a nonexistent state of being. Perhaps one of the many functions of the symbolic vampire is to account for this western misnomer.
 

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childofbodom said:
It's possible, and I was perhaps a bit more annoyed at your post than I should have been. After fielding a good fifteen posts about how Twilight doesn't have "real" vampires, I was getting a bit tired of the entire discussion. Yes, it's possible that the stories of vampirism were actually based on real medical problems, but that wouldn't change the fact that the mythos is far from concrete or consistent.

Even within the realm of the folklore, many cultures had many different vampire myths. Once you open it up to literature (and it's important to remember that the first "vampire romance" novel actually predates Bram Stoker's Dracula), it's a potpourri of "whatever someone wants to make vampires seem like that they think is cool"
Can't argue with that.
 

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Whoever said that Dracula started it, no it didn't. Sure, Stoker might have amplified the legends a little, but they already existed. All Stoker did was take existing mythology and apply it to an existing individual (Vlad Tepes / Vlad Dracula, whatever you want to call him). His only motivation for this seemed to be to piss off the Hungarians, to whom Vlad is a national hero for saving them from Turkish invasion.

And I think we should stop saying that Twilight doesn't have 'real' vampires, especially considering vampires don't exist, so no novel has 'real' vampires. We should just say that Twilight doesn't conform to our preconceived visions of the vampire mythology and leave it a that.

And as for Vampire mythology... I'd quite like to see a film version of the Jiang Shi (Chinese Hopping Vampires) just to see the wrath that would ensue.
"Vampires don't hop! Jesus... Twilight had better vampires than this!" Hehe.

EDIT: Oh, wait... the Jiang Shi are in film, but they portray them as Zombies rather than Vampires. Ah well... it could go either way. The things are re-animated corpses (zombies) taking the life essence from the living (Vampires) so they are open to interpretation. Haha.
 

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i do miss the idea of vampire stories like blade, and hellsing, hell even underworld was pretty good to me, but don't get me wrong i like twilight, i also love anne rice's vampire series. but the ending to the twilight series, in short... SUCKS. so i'm not happy about it.
 

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I don't care enough about this thread to read through it and see if anyone has already said this, but...

Cassidy from Preacher.

"Fuckin' groovy."

He likes drinking, fucking and The Pogues. Plus he was at the Easter Rising AND Woodstock, what's not to like?

Also the lack of fangs means biting someone's throat is MESSY.
 

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I'm really irritated about the new direction vampires have been taken in recently. I mean it's obvious there were going to be mythology elitists (me) who bashed the new direction and those who thought something new and interesting needed to be done (emo kids). I seem to be the only person who's realized that both parties would be satisfied if the damn writers just didn't call them vampires. What's wrong with making up new creatures? Stupid world.



 

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*clears throat*

I therefore present vamp awards that should show you what a vampire SHOULD be...



Best Dracula Look - Van Helsing (movie)



Classiest Vampire (life)style - Underworld(s)


Best Vampire ever illustrated - Alucard


Best vampire powers - Alucard
 

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I miss Alucard from Symphony of the Night. Handsome, Debonaire, and well dressed, but still deadly as fuck.
 

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What do you think the reaction would be of all the Twilight fans when we told them that vampires came from the legend of a Romanian queen who would bathe and drink the blood of virgins?
 

ayailla

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Doug said:
childofbodom said:
Thank heavens for White Wolf and their Vampire: The Masquerade and Trokia games for their VtMBL, that is some awesome vamps for ya.
Sadly, after what happened to Trokia, I doubt any developer will be willing to try another "Vampire: The ..." again.
For what it's worth, the World of Darkness MMORPG is slated for release next year. Vampire : The Masquerade was a pen and paper game set in the World of Darkness. I'm really, really hoping it'll have Vampires, Werewolves, Mages, Promethians, Changelings and Hunters as playable... Races(?). If it has Revenants, Demons and Innocents, I will officially shit myself with delight. You read it here first.

Also, sparkly vampire (esque creatures) were good enough for the ancient Egyptians, and they gave us Mummies and one of the more badass mythologies overall. Just sayin'...
 

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Chipperz said:
Doug said:
childofbodom said:
Thank heavens for White Wolf and their Vampire: The Masquerade and Trokia games for their VtMBL, that is some awesome vamps for ya.
Sadly, after what happened to Trokia, I doubt any developer will be willing to try another "Vampire: The ..." again.
For what it's worth, the World of Darkness MMORPG is slated for release next year. Vampire : The Masquerade was a pen and paper game set in the World of Darkness. I'm really, really hoping it'll have Vampires, Werewolves, Mages, Promethians, Changelings and Hunters as playable... Races(?). If it has Revenants, Demons and Innocents, I will officially shit myself with delight. You read it here first.
Interesting... though the fact its an MMO is troubling. I strongly suspect it'll be 'WoW clone with a World of Darkness theme'.
 

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Seldon2639 said:
Malicious said:
I miss real vampires....all we get now is teenage romance movies with emo vampires as the main cast....
I'm sorry, can you find me a non-emo, non-sadistic-bastard-vampire? If what you're saying is the only "real" vampire is the gorn-filled Hellsing stuff, I'm going to ask you to return your "literate person" license. Go read the original Dracula, it's all about Dracula being a bit emo. Go read any of Anne Rice. Hell, go watch Blade.

Just because a guy is ripped like Jesus doesn't mean he can't be emo. If your complaint is bishonen characters, I agree, but if your complaint is just the whiny nature of them, you apparently missed half of all of the vampires ever written or put on screen.

I didn't like Twilight, but dear lord, we can do better than this kind of complaint
Emo was not around when the original Dracula was, meaning if Dracula SEEMS emo, unless you mean emotional, then you are wrong on that point.

By emo I mean the concept of it, of course there were emotional people back then.