John 117 was a baddass before the suit in my opinion after reading the journal I got with halo reach .MrDeckard said:
Can you really consider someone in a powersuit badass?
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Really depends on how the power armour scales thigns. If it makes them unstopable killing machines then they aren't really bad ass but if it levels the playing field like in Halo then yes they can still be considered bad ass.
They're all game characters. If they were real life persona the ones without supersuits would be the true badasses, but because they are made to do things without much difficulty they shouldn't be dismissed because they have suits.
For example, Master Chief isn't badass because he could lift a car, he's badass because he manouvered a bomb from one ship back onto the enemy's ship. He did it in the gear a regular EVA-trooper would, because all the enhanced power wouldn't give him an edge in space.
For example, Master Chief isn't badass because he could lift a car, he's badass because he manouvered a bomb from one ship back onto the enemy's ship. He did it in the gear a regular EVA-trooper would, because all the enhanced power wouldn't give him an edge in space.
regardless alot of them are still badass, its just the suit makes it somewhat of a fair battle as they either A) go up against fucking armies of aliens/etc.. or go against something 200x their size.
so yeahh, powersuit doesn't make them who they are, but it is a special feature for sure.
now i dont know all of samus's history, but in john/master chiefs case, he has a metal skeleton essentially (like wolverine) so without the power armor he is still none the less the fastest/strongest (very tactically smart too) human being on the fucking planet.
now im not saying he is all dominant nor do i suggest he is the most "badass" but he still kicks ass for sure.
hell i consider gundams badass and its mostly teenagers controlling them who are overly skinny emo's.
so yeahh, powersuit doesn't make them who they are, but it is a special feature for sure.
now i dont know all of samus's history, but in john/master chiefs case, he has a metal skeleton essentially (like wolverine) so without the power armor he is still none the less the fastest/strongest (very tactically smart too) human being on the fucking planet.
now im not saying he is all dominant nor do i suggest he is the most "badass" but he still kicks ass for sure.
hell i consider gundams badass and its mostly teenagers controlling them who are overly skinny emo's.
1. Do not take credit for a word I made up. You owe me a quarter. Don't try to take credit for Awesomegasm either.
2. People like Batman yes, people like Kratos, no. It's easy to be badass when you're divine. That's less badass than being a normal who through a tin can becomes incredibly badass.
People like Snake cannot be badass as they are entirely reliant on stealth which is the opposite of badass.
2. People like Batman yes, people like Kratos, no. It's easy to be badass when you're divine. That's less badass than being a normal who through a tin can becomes incredibly badass.
People like Snake cannot be badass as they are entirely reliant on stealth which is the opposite of badass.
i too have started working on a list and there are two things that exempt characters from high scores... whining, (kratos, cloud, vincent and most main stream characters.) and a dependency on a single item/function of equipment. so i think its more of how they use it. like master chief only uses the shields in the game even though he has the super strength, advance aiming and sooo many other things on his suit. samus used to be high... but then the new 'other M' came out and made her a whiny ***** with mommy issues... yeah they were there before but that was one game and it was less 'oooh its so cute lets adopt it' than it was 'HOLY SHIT A METRIOD!!!... wait its not attacking... huh oh well... hey free test subject!'
To me, powersuits on characters don't really detract from "badassery"... not only because of fighting in vacuum or toxic environments mean death without some form of environment-sealed suit, but also because in most cases, the enemies that character faces still manage to outstrip him in strength, speed, et cetera...
Warhammer 40k is the perfect example of this. The imperial guard could be considered most "badass", because they're just grunts fighting the horrors of an insane universe with (often) 20th-century-level armour and a laser pointer. Ten again, they die in the millions more than half the time. You could say, on the other extreme, that the grey knights/deathwatch are the most "badass", they do what the Guard do, only, without dying and with far less of them to start with, but they get fancy powersuits and machine-gun-rpg-launcher-hybrids. And that's the basic Marine.
I take 40k because it has examples of both powersuit and standard-guy "badassery" but the point is made. That greyknight in his fancy terminator armour can still overcome a daemon capable of turning him into sludge by looking at him, armour or no armour. That is still badass. But it doesn't detract from the guardsman who stood his ground against the same daemon, died instantly but bougth the GK enough time to land his killing blow... both badass.
Tl:dr powersuits don't count, it's what you're up against and your willingness to fight it that does... in my opinion anyway...
Warhammer 40k is the perfect example of this. The imperial guard could be considered most "badass", because they're just grunts fighting the horrors of an insane universe with (often) 20th-century-level armour and a laser pointer. Ten again, they die in the millions more than half the time. You could say, on the other extreme, that the grey knights/deathwatch are the most "badass", they do what the Guard do, only, without dying and with far less of them to start with, but they get fancy powersuits and machine-gun-rpg-launcher-hybrids. And that's the basic Marine.
I take 40k because it has examples of both powersuit and standard-guy "badassery" but the point is made. That greyknight in his fancy terminator armour can still overcome a daemon capable of turning him into sludge by looking at him, armour or no armour. That is still badass. But it doesn't detract from the guardsman who stood his ground against the same daemon, died instantly but bougth the GK enough time to land his killing blow... both badass.
Tl:dr powersuits don't count, it's what you're up against and your willingness to fight it that does... in my opinion anyway...
wait wait wait... war-hammer 40k power suit wearing doesn't count as bad ass... or against it.Araethuiel said:To me, powersuits on characters don't really detract from "badassery"... not only because of fighting in vacuum or toxic environments mean death without some form of environment-sealed suit, but also because in most cases, the enemies that character faces still manage to outstrip him in strength, speed, et cetera...
Warhammer 40k is the perfect example of this. The imperial guard could be considered most "badass", because they're just grunts fighting the horrors of an insane universe with (often) 20th-century-level armour and a laser pointer. Ten again, they die in the millions more than half the time. You could say, on the other extreme, that the grey knights/deathwatch are the most "badass", they do what the Guard do, only, without dying and with far less of them to start with, but they get fancy powersuits and machine-gun-rpg-launcher-hybrids. And that's the basic Marine.
I take 40k because it has examples of both powersuit and standard-guy "badassery" but the point is made. That greyknight in his fancy terminator armour can still overcome a daemon capable of turning him into sludge by looking at him, armour or no armour. That is still badass. But it doesn't detract from the guardsman who stood his ground against the same daemon, died instantly but bougth the GK enough time to land his killing blow... both badass.
Tl:dr powersuits don't count, it's what you're up against and your willingness to fight it that does... in my opinion anyway...
a. every one is wearing them
b. they NEED to wear them to survive! have you seen the shit they go against? for those of you who dont know war hammer... here are the other armies
*demons that turn their enemies into demons during battle
*a robot army with the ability to GET THE FUCK BACK UP AFTER DEATH!
*a race of orc like creatures... taken to the extreme and given advance technology, that they use all of it for warfare. (they turned a portal machine into a anti tank weapon)
*a second race of power armored marines... with demons backing them up.
*a bug like race with such high numbers, if every bullet in that world killed one they would still be easily over run (and this is only for that galaxy... there are thousands galaxies that they have already destroyed.)
so can we agree they cant be counted as wearing power suits because its basic survival gear? its like saying knights suck cus they wear plate mail
well yeah but the discussion is about the suit, i'm trying to exclude him from the topic because im saying his suit does him little to no good. like you said, he is a super solider with advance training... actually... hey can we get genetic enhancement on the list of wether or not they are bad ass? its just as a unfair advantage as the suit. i mean if your on biggest looser whos gona win? the guy who works his ass off or the guy who gets lipo?gummydrop said:
oh and snake too is pulled out of being disqualified like this... because the first solid snake game he is fighting a army made the same as him