"Cannabis use under Licence" Proposes leading Scientist

[jasoncyrus]

Just as Cannabis ALWAYS damages your brain, regardless of dose.

Way to go genuis.

Way to go genius indeed. There is no study that proves cannabis damages your brain in anyway, not more than smoking a cig. The origin of the myth that cannabis damages brain cells is from an age old experiment. Dr McCrazyFuckingLunatic pumped cannabis smoke into a couple of monkeys, without giving them an opputunity too breath. As most people know, lack of oxygen will kill brain cells and cause death, which is exactly what happened to the poor monkeys. They couldnt breath, ergo there brain cells died off and so did they. God knows what the guy who thought up that experiment was taking, it certainly wasnt cannabis.

As for drug users being sub-human... I may have lost any credibility I had on this forum for being a niave *****. But any moment now the aliens are going to be landing next to your house and awarding you the price for acting like the biggest **** in the entire universe. Grats. I mean, fuck man. Just wow. If that is honestly the way you think, please, go act like a douche somewhere else, the further away from humanity, the better.

Yes, he is human, and I respect that enough to respect his choices. If you want to treat him as a child, go ahead, but don't dare to claim the moral high ground. People have the right, freedom, and I would say obligation to make their own decisions. The entire concept of being an adult is the ability to recognize that each choice has consequences, and you must accept and deal with them. If one is not willing to accept that, one should probably move back in with one's parents because one is obviously not ready to be an adult.

Ok, for the lung cancer treatment cost thing, I was talking about the figures in Germany (people not only pay taxes on cigs but also pay for there health care, no free treatment to be found anywhere). I have to admit I have (had) no idea about the costs anywhere else.

As for the last part, the part I quoted, im going to go ahead and treat it as an opinion which I wont argue because we wont get anywhere (not like we would arguing about anything else, but meh). And, at least you didnt call drug addicts sub human.

Wow, just wow, i prove that you are about as credible as a stoner to the cops as a witness and you go all down the super abusive language route? Wow, way to hold up your side! -.- Another example of why i hate junkies, they are apparently all neanderthals as she has just demonstrated.

As for valuing life. Why should i? I don't know these people and nor do I care to know them. Just like I don't give a shit about starving people in africa. Nor do I care about homeless people nor do I care about terminally ill people. If you don't like it, then feel free to log off the internet forever.

 

[Red Right Hand]

I disagree. You don't need a license for alcohol or cigarettes, and being that cannabis is significantly less harmful it should be held to the same standards as they are. Maybe a license to grow it would make sense, I'd support that, but not to use it. We are meant to live in a free country here, but we aren't free to put whatever we want in our own bodies? Bullshit.

I agree with this statement. Canabis isn't acid, Ecstasy, speed, Heroine, or cocaine. It has weak effects unless smoked in large quantities or it's a strong strain. You don't halucinate, you trip. You feel carious sensations. Smokeing canabis and drinking alcohol give (almost) similar effects in this regard.

So why can we drink alcohol but not smoke canabis?

Acid is one of the least toxic drugs known to man. It can have quite bad psychological effects but only if you're mentally and/or emotionally unstable. Which few people actually are.

OT: Why don't we just give the power of whether we smoke weed or not, to the individual. I'm not harming anybody sitting smoking a joint, so I don't see why the government has to interfere. I literally cannot get my head around why weed is still illegal.

True acid isn't toxic, butit's one of the most psychologically volitile drugs. You might be thinking shrooms, which usually simply bend your senses slightly, while acid twists your enter perception and sometimes blends your senses together

Nah man, i'm talking about acid. I've taken it, if you're not depressed and you're in a place that you know and trust, then you'll be fine. Granted all hell could break loose in the mind of a depressed or mentally unstable person, but then I see that as their choice, as long as they knew the risks of course. Though it does help emotionally for you to have a sober person with you. They're also very interesting when you're tripping.

 

[jasoncyrus]

Wow, just wow, i prove that you are about as credible as a stoner to the cops as a witness and you go all down the super abusive language route? Wow, way to hold up your side! -.- Another example of why i hate junkies, they are apparently all neanderthals as she has just demonstrated.

As for valuing life. Why should i? I don't know these people and nor do I care to know them. Just like I don't give a shit about starving people in africa. Nor do I care about homeless people nor do I care about terminally ill people. If you don't like it, then feel free to log off the internet forever.

I must have missed the part where you proved anything. As for the super abusive stuff - dont worry, im one of those people who doesnt feel well if every second word he says/types isnt "fuck". Nothing personal.

Anyhow, it is rather ironic that you should call drug users sub-human and then go on to state that you are missing one of the most human emotions of all - empathy and compassion. Which would make you sub/inhuman aswell.

In fact, you put yourself so high above everyone else, maybe you come from an alien planet, commited some crime and are now doomed to live among dumbass humans. I mean, look at us, we even care for each other! Pah. But you are above such petty thinking, eh?

Oh I have empathy and compassion. Just not for people who choose to destroy their lives.

Like I said, there are plenty of programs for them to get out of whatever problems they are in. They choose to stay int hat situation. Which means they are too stupid or too scared to do anything about it. Which makes them sub human.

After all, to be human is to adapt, to change, to overcome any obstacles that keep you down. Which these idiots dont do. Which means they ARE less than human.

Theres a difference between inhuman and subhuman. Sub humans lack the abilities that real humans have. to be inhuman is to choose to ignore certain traits that come with humanity.

Like i said, if you don't like it, go offline forever, because clearly you can't handle the brutality of the internet. Hell just go off the grid totally because honestly, thats the brutality of the real world. If you'd ever been in that kind of situation you'd know that all too well.

 

[DarkDain]

legalize it AND make it alot more harmful, woooooo

 

[jasoncyrus]

As for valuing life. Why should i? I don't know these people and nor do I care to know them. Just like I don't give a shit about starving people in africa. Nor do I care about homeless people nor do I care about terminally ill people. If you don't like it, then feel free to log off the internet forever.

Oh I have empathy and compassion. Just not for people who choose to destroy their lives.

derp i dont care about people in africa who are starving derp

derp of course i have empathy just not with people who choose this and that derp

derp because people in africa choose to starve derp

When you start digging a hole and find you cant get out anymore, just a piece of advice: stop digging.

Hell just go off the grid totally because honestly, thats the brutality of the real world. If you'd ever been in that kind of situation you'd know that all too well.

Why do I doubt you have ever been in "that kind of situation" (whatever you mean by that) or have experienced "the brutality of the real world"? Mmmm....

Of course I've never been in that situation. I'm not a loser drug addict like some people.

But yeah, now you are being a tool. Big red button time because you are just plain being insulting now

As for experiencing the brutality of the world. I've 3 friends to drugs and alcohol, 2 relatives to lung cancer, 1 of each to a horrific car accident and 1 friend who lost a leg to gangreen because he was injecting herion between toes.

So yeah, i know plenty about it.

So if you are trying to morally stomp on my not caring then you are wasting your breath because I laugh at people like you and take great joy when i hear of the passing of your type of person. Now I have someone else to look forward to hearing about leaving this world. GJ =D

 

[Jkudo]

As for valuing life. Why should i? I don't know these people and nor do I care to know them. Just like I don't give a shit about starving people in africa. Nor do I care about homeless people nor do I care about terminally ill people. If you don't like it, then feel free to log off the internet forever.

Oh I have empathy and compassion. Just not for people who choose to destroy their lives.

derp i dont care about people in africa who are starving derp

derp of course i have empathy just not with people who choose this and that derp

derp because people in africa choose to starve derp

When you start digging a hole and find you cant get out anymore, just a piece of advice: stop digging.

Hell just go off the grid totally because honestly, thats the brutality of the real world. If you'd ever been in that kind of situation you'd know that all too well.

Why do I doubt you have ever been in "that kind of situation" (whatever you mean by that) or have experienced "the brutality of the real world"? Mmmm....

Of course I've never been in that situation. I'm not a loser drug addict like some people.

But yeah, now you are being a tool. Big red button time because you are just plain being insulting now

As for experiencing the brutality of the world. I've 3 friends to drugs and alcohol, 2 relatives to lung cancer, 1 of each to a horrific car accident and 1 friend who lost a leg to gangreen because he was injecting herion between toes.

So yeah, i know plenty about it.

So if you are trying to morally stomp on my not caring then you are wasting your breath because I laugh at people like you and take great joy when i hear of the passing of your type of person. Now I have someone else to look forward to hearing about leaving this world. GJ =D

So you wanted your relatives to die in a gutter? I think he was asking if anything happened to you personally. You've never needed help in your life? If not then your point of view makes sense.
People need help. That is just the way it is. If they didn't they wouldn't form communities. There wouldn't be a government. People group because its smarter to work together and help each other.
people in africa choose to starve lol.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

I think it makes sense to have it on the same regulations as smoking. I know there's the gateway argument, but personally I think that, whilst it usually is the second step (after drinking) on the road to harder drugs, if it wasn't there people would just move straight on to MDMA or whatever. I know people who have been down that road. The health risks don't appear to be particularly severe without gross overuse, but then the same can be said for alcohol and fast food. We need a conclusive study on both the short and long term effects of marijuana really, but I can't imagine any results from it wouldn't be contested like others have been.

 

[Blandman]

Legalise all drugs. Tax the hell out of them. Let idiots OD. Live in a happier world.

(Also, many of the problems with drugs come from the impurities within them. Drugs sold in shops could potentially be less harmful.)

(Also also, I've never taken drugs and never will, but I can see some good benefits if they were legalised.)

 

[Knusper]

Where I live is a pretty small and upper-class area but you still find people occasionally at the train station inspecting and trading small bags of weed. My brother has a small box of it in his room. Wherever you are, if people want weed, they'll get weed, and it's hard to stop them.
I believe that the idea is that only certain officially approved suppliers will be allowed to grow it and get it on the market. All weed from other suppliers will still be illegal, which is good because some types of weed like skunk is a lot worse than marijuana. Now, people will nearly always go for the legal and less risky albeit more expensive option.
So, since people are going to take cannabis anyway, why not give them a less risky alternative which gets the government money through tax?

P.S. And to prove that the police do a really crappy job of stopping people take weed, my brother was actually reported to the police when she first found at: they did Jack all.

 

[cerebus23]

like pen and teller said most people that get on hardcore drugs start with beer not marijuana. making beer the gateway drug, mj as a gateway drug is very overblown. hell i would argue air is the gateway drug .

The trouble can be that dealers try to push the more expensive and addictive drugs to buyers. It's like going to the store and the clerk says "Hey it seems you like Mountain Dew. Why not try some of this Tequila. I'll give you this small bottle for free". Like some sort of sinister Amazon.com

cept i do not think anyone is spiking that case of beer you addicts start out with meth or anything.

people do or do not have an addictive personality, someone that is going to bounce onto harder and harder drugs has a issue or issues from the start that leads them down that road.

marijuana is not physically addictive it can be mentally addictive to people with addictive personalities or other mental problems, but the vast majority of people try mj use it for a few years and grow out of it (no pun intended), with no ill effects to show for it.

another reason to decriminalize drugs is the fact that you have to buy them off the streets. you dont necessarily know the purity, that can lead to overdoses when you talking cocaine and heroine, or impurity, if something is mixed into that bag to get more business. granted people spiking mj and stuff with other harder drugs is pretty damn rare, probably more overblown in anti drug lit than anything, tho i suppose there are a handful of dealers in the world that do that kinda thing for jollies and cash.

people that get into the hardcore scene however just go down that path by their own choosing not because someone slipped them some pcp or crystal meth in their bag of pot. and there lack of parenting or lack of friendship or abuse etc are far more likely the cause of people wanting to wallow in a world of hardcore addiction. some maybe brought on by peer pressure, but i had friends did coke and friends that dabbled in h i was never at all interested in doing either and noone ever made a big deal about it, hey you wanna go do some lines? naw man not my scene. cool more for us. kinda deals.

and wth is wrong with skunk weed? lol i smoked that stuff the vast majority of my time in school . but yea it is easy to get weed and just about any drug you may or may not want, dealers are not going to card, they do not care what age you are as long as you got money.

 

[GLo Jones]

I can only dream of the day I buy weed at a government approved vendor...

 

[helldragonX]

I think cannabis should be treated just like cigarettes and alcohol, but unlike cigarettes cannabis has no chemical addiction. So why not?

 

[GLo Jones]

Oh I have empathy and compassion. Just not for people who choose to destroy their lives.

Like I said, there are plenty of programs for them to get out of whatever problems they are in. They choose to stay int hat situation. Which means they are too stupid or too scared to do anything about it. Which makes them sub human.

So you... don't care about those that may use weed, but you're still against the legalisation of it? Something that may be beneficial to the economy?

 

[johnsom]

*warning following is opinion*
The gateway theory is a myth. It makes more sense to me that the grouping of marijuana with very serious drugs creates the gateway. The person using marijuana finds its not all that bad. Herm, what other drugs are they not being honest about. Any drug that takes away your free will should be kept the way it is.

It seems the strongest argument against it is increased chance of mental illness. A quick google search turned up different findings. and so the debate goes on.

 

[the Dept of Science]

In short: it's the illegalness that makes it "cool".

When it's suddenly legal/permited, people would shrug and walk past it, or try it and use it as relaxant (like liquor/cigarets).

Yea, I oppose the legalisation of cannabis.

It would take some of the fun out of it.

OT: It's very difficult for drug dealers to make much money off weed as it is. I remember watching one of the TED lectures saying that the reason that crack was invented was because of this reason. If it was legal, then the price would be even lower, as it could be grown commercially.

 

[jasoncyrus]

Oh I have empathy and compassion. Just not for people who choose to destroy their lives.

Like I said, there are plenty of programs for them to get out of whatever problems they are in. They choose to stay int hat situation. Which means they are too stupid or too scared to do anything about it. Which makes them sub human.

So you... don't care about those that may use weed, but you're still against the legalisation of it? Something that may be beneficial to the economy?

Paid Assasins would be beneficial to the economy, doesn't mean its the right thing to do.