Captain America: Civil War is Certified Fresh

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mduncan50

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So the movie is now Certified Fresh, sitting at 94% on the Tomatometer with 82 reviews so far and an average score of 8/10.

Critical Concensus:
Captain America: Civil War begins the next wave of Marvel movies with an action-packed superhero blockbuster boasting a decidedly non-cartoonish plot and the courage to explore thought-provoking themes.
Was this your expectation? If you've seen it, do you agree.

Edit: No need to turn it into a fanboy war, so let's try to keep DC bashing to a minimum.
 

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Its kinda hard not to because 1. Does it even matter that this one movie in this long list of already successful Marvel movies got Certifyed Fresh?

2. And it having come out that way after accusations that critics have a Marvel bias.

3, The creators admit to makin this movie because of BvS' conception?

Still gonna see it if I can.
 

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Are you going to make a new thread every time you check the movie's score in Rotten Tomatoes?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.937079-Who-didnt-see-this-coming-Civil-War-reviews-are-starting-to-trickle-in?page=1

mduncan50 said:
No need to turn it into a fanboy war, so let's try to keep DC bashing to a minimum.


 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
Are you going to make a new thread every time you check the movie's score in Rotten Tomatoes?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.937079-Who-didnt-see-this-coming-Civil-War-reviews-are-starting-to-trickle-in?page=1

mduncan50 said:
No need to turn it into a fanboy war, so let's try to keep DC bashing to a minimum.


It was a joke being made at the fact that DC just cannot stop getting bad press, in this case it was over the outing of a serial sexual harasser among the higher ups among their comics organization. I am so very sorry if that hurt your precious feelings, but no I wasn't trying to bash DC or their movies with that comment.

And so sue me, I like talking about comic book movies. among other things, and saw no point in just bumping a thread from over two weeks ago, so I figured I would start a new one since many people are able to see the movie now.

Do you need a hug or something, brother? In all honesty, arms are wide open for you man.
 

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mduncan50 said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
Are you going to make a new thread every time you check the movie's score in Rotten Tomatoes?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.937079-Who-didnt-see-this-coming-Civil-War-reviews-are-starting-to-trickle-in?page=1

mduncan50 said:
No need to turn it into a fanboy war, so let's try to keep DC bashing to a minimum.


It was a joke being made at the fact that DC just cannot stop getting bad press, in this case it was over the outing of a serial sexual harasser among the higher ups among their comics organization. I am so very sorry if that hurt your precious feelings, but no I wasn't trying to bash DC or their movies with that comment.

And so sue me, I like talking about comic book movies. among other things, and saw no point in just bumping a thread from over two weeks ago, so I figured I would start a new one since many people are able to see the movie now.

Do you need a hug or something, brother? In all honesty, arms are wide open for you man.
DC or not why should we care that this one Marvel in a LONG list of past successful Marvel movies got certifyed fresh?
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
mduncan50 said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
Are you going to make a new thread every time you check the movie's score in Rotten Tomatoes?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.937079-Who-didnt-see-this-coming-Civil-War-reviews-are-starting-to-trickle-in?page=1

mduncan50 said:
No need to turn it into a fanboy war, so let's try to keep DC bashing to a minimum.


It was a joke being made at the fact that DC just cannot stop getting bad press, in this case it was over the outing of a serial sexual harasser among the higher ups among their comics organization. I am so very sorry if that hurt your precious feelings, but no I wasn't trying to bash DC or their movies with that comment.

And so sue me, I like talking about comic book movies. among other things, and saw no point in just bumping a thread from over two weeks ago, so I figured I would start a new one since many people are able to see the movie now.

Do you need a hug or something, brother? In all honesty, arms are wide open for you man.
DC or not why should we care that this one Marvel in a LONG list of past successful Marvel movies got certifyed fresh?
Because that's what this thread is about? If you don't care then move on to something else but it's fine for other people to discuss.

Anyway, I'm glad Civil War is doing well and I cant wait to see it. Black Panther looks so cool.
 

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I enjoyed the movie for the most part, but a few technical things really stood out in a negative way. Although a part of it could have been because I was sitting fairly close to the front of the cinema.

Basically the combination of constant shaky cam, extreme closeups during every fight and super fast movement made it the movie physically uncomfortable to watch at times. This might just be me though.

As far everything else goes, I thought it was great. I haven't seen Ant Man but his presence was great, Spiderman was skirting the edge of too many one liners but was fun overall. It was definitely a Marvel movie but one of the better ones.
 

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I enjoyed the movie for the most part, but a few technical things really stood out in a negative way. Although a part of it could have been because I was sitting fairly close to the front of the cinema.

Basically the combination of constant shaky cam, extreme closeups during every fight and super fast movement made it the movie physically uncomfortable to watch at times. This might just be me though.

As far everything else goes, I thought it was great. I haven't seen Ant Man but his presence was great, Spiderman was skirting the edge of too many one liners but was fun overall. It was definitely a Marvel movie but one of the better ones.
I did feel as if Spider-man was shoe horned in a bit but that's fans service. Clear and simple.

I agree with the quick cut, close up action scenes is annoying and overused in movies these days. I want to see the action, not be in the middle of it.
 

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inu-kun said:
"non-cartoonish plot and the courage to explore thought-provoking themes.",

You mean the excuse plot designed for mashing action figures like Jack Snyder a 4 year old and writing that doesn't have the characters act consistently between films (looking at you Tony Stark) with a "thought provoking theme" that is immediately decided and never actually given time to show a different side?

So now film journalism became game journalism and cares more for appeasing fanboys over actual reviews?
Hey, if you cater to a fan base and create an echo chamber you can generate more views and like and with that, more money.

"Journalism" is a rare rare word.
 

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inu-kun said:
"non-cartoonish plot and the courage to explore thought-provoking themes.",

You mean the excuse plot designed for mashing action figures like Jack Snyder a 4 year old and writing that doesn't have the characters act consistently between films (looking at you Tony Stark) with a "thought provoking theme" that is immediately decided and never actually given time to show a different side?

So now film journalism became game journalism and cares more for appeasing fanboys over actual reviews?
How is Tony acting inconsistent? I find his motivations to be very understandable. Is he the same Tony Stark from the first Iron Man movie? Of course not, but that's called character development.
 

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So having seen it earlier last week (live outside the US) I can safely say that Civil War is in no way worthy of the 94% that it's currently sitting at on Rotten Tomatoes. There are plenty of individual moments within the movie that are incredibly well put together and incredibly enjoyable, but when put together as a whole the movie just doesn't come together in a great way. The film feels terribly unfinished, and as a Captain America movie it focuses very little on the titular character in service of having the rest of the major players in the MCU play a role in some way.

Myself and my friends all left the cinema wondering where the third act went to, because it absolutely feels like you have a beginning and middle with no end. I get of course that it's trying to set up the whole Marvel phase 3, but unlike Winter Soldier where Phase 2 was being introduced yet you had a cohesive and complete movie, Civil War seems to forget that it's got to be a complete story.

Pros:
- Some great action sequences.
- Black Panther is pretty well put together.
- Great character chemistry.
- Individual moments which are well constructed and told.
- A very easy to follow movie, the storytelling is very straightforward.
- We're introduced a bit to the new Peter Parker/Spider-Man, and he's good!
- It often feels amazing to see the lives of characters play out whose stories we have been following for years, especially for those who may be reaching the end of their specific stories. Sometimes you really feel committing to the MCU paying off.

Cons:
- Far too many characters.
- Cannot focus on one character's story, is too interested in setting up future movies and characters.
- Feels terribly unfinished.
- I really cannot stress how much the overabundance of characters hurts the movie.
- A really poor antagonist, possibly the weakest we've ever had in an MCU movie.
- Plays things far too safe, the stakes never seem very high.
- Some of the character special effects (in particular those of Spider-Man) just look very weird.

Now for the obligatory Civil War vs. Batman v Superman comparison. I personally feel they're pretty much a dead heat when it comes to how good they are. CW does some things better than BvS, and BvS others better than CW, I absolutely do not agree that there is a 70 point difference between BvS and CW and there's something _really_ wrong with how Rotten Tomatoes works if that's the statement it's trying to make.

- CW tells its story in a better more cohesive way, but both films feel very incomplete.
- Despite the complaints from critics and the like, BvS is far less "overstuffed" with characters than CW is, and quite frankly it does BvS a service having the ability to focus a bit more on the few characters it does.
- I personally actually prefer the look of BvS because of its grittiness, I've always found MCU films a bit too clean and bright and CW doesn't change my mind on it (it still looks good though).
- The special effects in particular are far better in BvS than they are in CW and everything feels like it has a lot more weight/impact.
- CW is absolutely a film designed for a broader audience, it's a lot more happy go lucky and not as dark as something like BvS, and depending on your preference you may like that.

I would put CW at maybe 75% and BvS in a 70-75% range.
 

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Well I certainly enjoyed alot it more than Age of Ultron (ok technically I should compared it to Winter Soldier but part of the films was about the Avengers).
 

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1. Told the goverment to suck it (Iron Man 2).
Right, so default drunk and self destructive Iron Man.

2. Gave terrorists his home address and challenged to take them on himself (Iron Man 3)
While he is suffering from PTSD due to almost dying in an alien galaxy, and has something of a death wish, he made a dumb move.

3. Without telling the rest of the team created AI to save the world and done it AGAIN to create another AI to beat the previous one? (Ultron).
Still feeling the effects of PTSD, Tony wants out, but he doesn't want to just quit and have people die when he could have saved them, so he tries to design an AI that can control his suits/soldiers and take care of the issues facing the world without risking the lives of himself and his friends.

This obviously ends up going terribly, but he see's a chance to redeem his original idea by putting JARVIS into the synthezoid body. He is desperate to do this to try to convince himself that Ultron was the fault of the Hydra program rather than himself, and he NEEDS to prove this to himself so badly that he attacks Cap when he tries to stop him, but in the end he is still feeling the weight of all of those lives that were lost because of him.

To this guy becoming a goverment yes men after an angry black woman scowled at him is just pure retcon rather then "character development".
The weight of those lost lives are made all the heavier when the mother of a victim confronts him. At this point, he just doesn't want the responsibility any more. He still wants to be able to help people, but the next time something goes wrong, he doesn't want it to be his fault, and the Accords give him the perfect out, where he can still save lives, but he no longer has to make the calls that cost people their lives. No retcon, all makes sense.
 

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That's cool. I hope It's audience enjoys it. But I have very little interest in seeing it, beyond the appearance of Spiderman and even thats only because of the company politics involved.
 

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mduncan50 said:
The weight of those lost lives are made all the heavier when the mother of a victim confronts him. At this point, he just doesn't want the responsibility any more. He still wants to be able to help people, but the next time something goes wrong, he doesn't want it to be his fault, and the Accords give him the perfect out, where he can still save lives, but he no longer has to make the calls that cost people their lives. No retcon, all makes sense.
I'm with you, I don't get why Ironman is the one being seen as inconsistent. During Age of Ultron he gets shown a vision of a bad future in which everyone dies that he's presumably trying to avoid and his actions in creating Ultron is what causes one of the biggest events of destruction that the Avengers are blamed for. When the mother talks to him about how her son died he had to admit that it was because of his fault and the fact he ignored others who warned him not to.
My main problem is I felt the film didn't give enough of a reason why Cap refuses to sign (or at least, he doesn't explain much about his reasons). The act is a strict as it was in the comics and the pro-reg side weren't nearly as borderline fascist they were in the comics so it comes off as a little odd, especially when the "strict punishments" in the film come directly after he wilfully ignores orders during a turbulent time.
 

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Schrodinger said:
Samtemdo8 said:
Its kinda hard not to because 1. Does it even matter that this one movie in this long list of already successful Marvel movies got Certifyed Fresh?

2. And it having come out that way after accusations that critics have a Marvel bias.

3, The creators admit to makin this movie because of BvS' conception?

Still gonna see it if I can.
So basically 1-3 = "Bitter fanboy", but you think "I'll go see it" neutralizes all of that.
Yeah I take it back I'm not gonna see this movie (not while I am still recovering from my surgery)

And yes there is a Marvel/Disney bias because that is all the internet culture gives a shit when it comes to movies.

Marvel

Disney/Pixar

and Star Wars.
 

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Oh my god, are we actually doing Marvel conspiracy theories now? Yeah, what a shock that the company that makes movies people actually enjoy and want to see gets good reviews.
 

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inu-kun said:
So now film journalism became game journalism and cares more for appeasing fanboys over actual reviews?
Yes clearly. All those positive reviews were lies and the reviewers secretly hated the film but they gave it positive reviews purely because of fan boys. You got their number.