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titankore said:
Gargoyles, Symbionic titan (Giant robot show cancelled due to lack of toy line?), MLP FiM (Let Lauren do what she wants!), Tron Uprising, pretty much all of the saturday morning tv show blocks, and many, many more.
Gargoyles!!! Bout that toyline I heard that's why the last he-man cartoon (the one where his chick sidekick and the sorceress both came out hot) was the reason it got cancelled. As Yogurt used to say "Here's where the real money from the movie is made!"

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But yea, it did take a while for the first saga to kick off properly. So judging it by it's first season may be a tad unfair. It just feels like they tried to make the same developments that took the other show 3 season within the 1 season. Not to mention they ramped up the relationship nonsense to 11.
Agreed, the fact that they weren't confident that it'd go beyond a first season is probably what made the entire series feel so compressed thus making the whole romantic plot tumor a bit vapid considering how long it took for that kind of relationship to blossom between katara and Aang.

Asami's glove I believe is an interesting device but definitely not being used properly. If Asami was to be the new sokka (both show certain intellectual qualities, both are good at physics and engineering in a way, both are non benders) but the glove has only been shown to zap people. What made sokka great was that he was weak but skilled and intelligent he used his boomerang in very clever ways. Asami displays this but unlike Sokka she didnt use her glove beyond bolting people, although her ability to do certain manly things (driving a race car, operating a robot with forklift like controls) sort of speaks of the things she can do beyond kung fu.
 

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I pretty much agreed what everyone has said above.
It also made worse that while I did liked Teen Titan and I did read that brought back the voice actors and actress for the team but it's under a different artstyle and it's more focus on comedy-
Art style look ok but I'm dreading on the comedy aspect of it seeing how I am spoil by the awesome serious and tense tone I watched from Young Justice.

Also this sum up on my view on the whole exective meddling-

Another example of exective ruining the show is Pinky and the Brain. The show was fine the way it is until they decided the whole Brain wanting to take over the world is a bad thing and they competely revamp the show by bringing in Elmyra from Looney Toon!
 

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I guess Invader Zim since it just got outright cancelled because they didn't like the older demographic the show got popular with.

Speaking of, inb4 alicorn Twilight.
 

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Cheesus Crust said:
Lizardon said:
Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes
Is that good? Is that the one where the opening episode features this super villain that can manipulate gravity? I'm a bit apprehensive of Marvel cartoons since most of them, in my current frame of mind, feel vapid. I mean the same can be said with most comic book cartoon adaptations but I dunno the only marvel cartoon I really ever fell in love with was X-men the Animated series even if I couldn't properly follow the plot I friggin loved that show.
Yeah it's the one with the gravity villain. Technically that's the first episode, mini-episodes set beforehand introducing all the characters were put online beforehand and compilations of the mini-episodes aired later after the premier.

Personally, I really loved the show. A lot of the characters get some decent development and personalities, the animation is really nice and the plots fairly solid. I'd say it's of equivalent quality to DC's Justice League cartoon if you've seen that.

It's definitely not for everyone, but I would recommend giving it a try. There is an over arching plot through out most of it, but you can pretty much start where ever as there are recaps of the important points.
 

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Scarim Coral said:
Another example of exective ruining the show is Pinky and the Brain. The show was fine the way it is until they decided the whole Brain wanting to take over the world is a bad thing and they competely revamp the show by bringing in Elmyra from Looney Toon!
Wait...what?

I've never actually done a spit-take, but that's about as close as I've got.
 

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thaluikhain said:
Scarim Coral said:
Another example of exective ruining the show is Pinky and the Brain. The show was fine the way it is until they decided the whole Brain wanting to take over the world is a bad thing and they competely revamp the show by bringing in Elmyra from Looney Toon!
Wait...what?

I've never actually done a spit-take, but that's about as close as I've got.
You never seen this?

This happens in the later seasons so that could be why you haven't seen it.
 

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Starship Troopers: Roughneck Chronicles. The executives didn't know if they wanted to market the show to kids or to fans of the R-rated movie it was based on. (It shares more with the movie than the book before anyone tries to correct me)

What resulted was a show that was of two minds. One episode would have threats of mind wiping and indoctrination propaganda, and another episode would have guys saying lines like "really deep doo-doo."

It's a great show, but it never finished, ending the series on a cliffhanger before a finale that never saw the light of day.
Great show, but definitely schizophrenic at times.
 

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You never seen this?

This happens in the later seasons so that could be why you haven't seen it.
"I deeply resent this." I think Brain summed up that whole thing rather well. (Perhaps a subtle dig by the cast at the WB execs?)

OT: Samurai Jack and ReBoot. I don't know the details as to why they got canned, but I'm sure it was lame. There was a roumer that ReBoot was getting rebooted, but even if that was true I'm not sure if I'd be happy with that. With Tony Jay gone, Megabyte just wouldn't be the same. Kinda the same deal with Samurai Jack, even if they tried again, with out Mako as Aku it just wouldn't feel right.
 

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Transformers: Animated. THere was going tobe a fourth season. It would have been awesome.


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Since it's only cartoons, Big O.

Adult Swim shut down continued operations (and any hope of season 3) because they don't like Japanese cartoons, even though it paid off financially. If it didn't pay off financially, I'd understand. But hacking something because you don't like it? Fuck you, man.
Wasn't that because of a change in managhement? I think the original top dog that ran adult swik liked or at least tolerated anime but there was some sort of snafu that caused him to step down and be replaced by the anime hating prick we have now.
Man I miss Big O...
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
titankore said:
Gargoyles, Symbionic titan (Giant robot show cancelled due to lack of toy line?), MLP FiM (Let Lauren do what she wants!), Tron Uprising, pretty much all of the saturday morning tv show blocks, and many, many more.
Lauren created a fantastic universe for mlp but I'm not really sure how essential she was for the show beyond creating the universe, she only wrote three episodes and they weren't really that great of episodes, she wrote the pilot two parter, which I liked and the ticket master which I thought was kinda weak.

Mine is Angel Beats. Originally the show was supposed to be 24 episodes but for some reason it got hacked down to only like 12 so there was so much left unexplored in it.
 

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Swat cats.

The suits at the top thought cartoon network could do without animation with violence so the last eps of the second season was never even aired(killing a really good animation).
 

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Hmmm, well I'd point out that you guys are missing an important point. A lot of the changes to these shows doubtlessly happen because YOU (adults) like the shows. It's an intentional security matter.

Originally there was a lot to be said for children's shows that could also appeal to an adult audience, Anime, especially when it picked up through the 90s got a lot of attention that way (when people pay $30 for a subtitled VHS producers take notice) and inspired the design of a lot of cartoon shows in the US. This lead to a lot of pretty popular properties being developed, and lead to a lot of money being spent as adult fans purchused stuff for their kids (uh huh).

The problem of course here is obvious, when you create situations where random adults and children mix in the same cosm it becomes pedo-bait. Something a predator can use to chat up a child and form that all-important initial connection when the parents/guardians are not around. Sometimes watching a random 40 year old discuss [insert show here] with an 8 year old can be cute, if a bit creepy, but othertimes it's hardly harmless, and people DO keep track of the techniques used by child predators.

Business started to adapt to this, official or otherwise. One thing you'll notice with video arcades at locations that still have them, especially BIG locations is that they are increasingly getting rid of video games that can be justified as appealing to a more adult audience, or having a long-time fan base. People had been trying to ban violent games for years without success, but now your seeing something similar voluntarily, generally when places that have become security conscious, or have otherwise had an "incident" in their past (molestation, or a near miss) not having those games makes it so creepy adults don't have an excuse to hang out in arcades, popping in an occasional corner, and watching the kids, looking for oppertunities.

Back when I worked casino security there was a dance over this with "decent" cross-age machines waffling back and forth based on security concerns and what was making money. It should also be noted that adults wearing mechandise or logos for populat children's television shows warrent special attention, someone to keep an eye on, especially if they gravitate towards places where kids are left unattended (which should never happen, but does anyway). There are exceptions of course, popular super heroes like Marvel and DC characters for example, but basically if you see a 40 year old due wearing a My Little Pony T-shirt trying to chat up little girls in a video arcade, that's not a good thing.

At any rate given all the back and forth about this kind of issue, I suspect the number of children's shows going "old school" and aiming for a child-only audience, removing a lot of the depth, referances, and humor that would attract adult fans is intentional. We're not talking about the kinds of trends you make laws about, but basically nobody wants to have their product lumped in on semi-official security/police watch lists or become known for being used as pedo bait.

I'm not saying this is definatly the reasons, or the only reasons, just that it's an angle you might want to think of because it's come up before when I worked security. One of those things where you know "we can't officially tell you some dude wearing a Spongebob or Invader Zim T-shirt is a creep, but in context if you see someone wearing one around the arcade, that's one of the guys you probably want to keep a paticular eye on... along with everyone else in general of course". The point basically being that anything that can be used to form a bridge to a child, get short term trust, or act as a lure can become a risk, and pedos are VERY good at it. "I'm not a stranger, we both like My Little Pony, and look I've got episodes that play right here on my kindle, let's head over into that stairwell where it's quiet and you can hear and I'll show you a couple of episodes you probably haven't seen yet..."
 

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Transformers Animated, Symbiotic Titan, Super Robot Monkey Team Hyper Force Go, Motorcity, Samurai Jack, Megas XLR, The Spectacular Spider-man... all good shows canceled without a satisfying ending. Note that all of these belonged to Cartoon Network or Disney.
 

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Do hope that Young Justice can pull off a decent ending and not have it rushed.

Hopefully there will be a war with the Reach and the Justice League to end it all in a bang
 

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D Moness said:
Swat cats.

The suits at the top thought cartoon network could do without animation with violence so the last eps of the second season was never even aired(killing a really good animation).
I think my favorite part about that cartoon is that they had a missile for everything. But I did like the character design behind chance:



Don't know why, it feels like Batman meets Top Gun with a cat as the pilot. It works.

OT: MEGAS XLR DIED BECAUSE OF "Cartoon network wanting to move on to better things"

FUCK EXECUTIVES!
 

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CrazyGirl17 said:
Transformers Animated, Symbiotic Titan, Super Robot Monkey Team Hyper Force Go, Motorcity, Samurai Jack, Megas XLR, The Spectacular Spider-man... all good shows canceled without a satisfying ending. Note that all of these belonged to Cartoon Network or Disney.
I can't vouch for the others, but Hasbro put an end to Transformers Animated because the second movie was on the way. They don't want to stretch out the licence or something like that.

Which means Prime's shelf life is good up to Transformers 4. Crap.