Characters people love that you hate.
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I enjoyed him in the 90s cartoon and Evolution as well, but then I started reading more X-Men comics and he's a bit of a dick. He really rubbed me the wrong way in Wolverine and the X-Men cartoon.Herzog Wyrmsyn said:I enjoyed him in the 90s toon and Evolution. The problem is that he is the leader, so he has to make leader decisions and come off as a commander.Fiz_The_Toaster said:Makes you wonder why they just don't kill him off for good.Herzog Wyrmsyn said:
Or just make him less of an ass, but whatever.
Still, he's their leader, like you said, and he has to be that way.
Erik AKA The Phantom in The Phantom of the Opera.
Warning: spoilers (mostly for the musical) follow. Although honestly you should know the plot of this by now.
The guy basically coaches this orphaned girl (Christine) when her father dies, making her dependent on him and lying to her about who/what he is. And then she meets her childhood friend, and their love is rekindled, and because he's a jealous, horrible man, he kidnaps her, and possibly seduces/rapes her in the process. And then freaks the hell out on her when she takes off his mask. And then lets her go back because.
She's obviously in love with Raul, but the Phantom wants to take her away and make her his forever. Because she's HIS damnit. Which he does.
Raul goes after her, and ends up getting caught by the Phantom himself. The Phantom then delivers an ultimatum: Christine has to either choose the Phantom, so that Raul may live, or Freedom, and Raul will die (and I somehow doubt he'd live up to his word anyways). Christine chooses the Phantom, so that Raul may live, despite Raul's protests that he'll die gladly if it means she is free.
And then the Phantom gains a conscience and lets them go. Yaaaay.
But... almost everyone I knew LOVED the Phantom and HATED Raul. WHY. WHY. WHY. THE PHANTOM IS THIS CREEPY EPHEBOPHILE THAT'S BEEN MANIPULATING CHRISTINE AND RAUL HAS DONE NOTHING BUT CARE FOR HER AND PROTECT HER** I DON'T GET IT ALKJSLDFJSKLDKFSDKFJSLDFJSLDFSJDKFSDLFSF.
*breathes* Okay I'm good now.
[sub]**Except for the whole using her as bait to catch the Phantom, that wasn't very nice of him, but sacrifices and all that yadda yadda[/sub]
Warning: spoilers (mostly for the musical) follow. Although honestly you should know the plot of this by now.
The guy basically coaches this orphaned girl (Christine) when her father dies, making her dependent on him and lying to her about who/what he is. And then she meets her childhood friend, and their love is rekindled, and because he's a jealous, horrible man, he kidnaps her, and possibly seduces/rapes her in the process. And then freaks the hell out on her when she takes off his mask. And then lets her go back because.
She's obviously in love with Raul, but the Phantom wants to take her away and make her his forever. Because she's HIS damnit. Which he does.
Raul goes after her, and ends up getting caught by the Phantom himself. The Phantom then delivers an ultimatum: Christine has to either choose the Phantom, so that Raul may live, or Freedom, and Raul will die (and I somehow doubt he'd live up to his word anyways). Christine chooses the Phantom, so that Raul may live, despite Raul's protests that he'll die gladly if it means she is free.
And then the Phantom gains a conscience and lets them go. Yaaaay.
But... almost everyone I knew LOVED the Phantom and HATED Raul. WHY. WHY. WHY. THE PHANTOM IS THIS CREEPY EPHEBOPHILE THAT'S BEEN MANIPULATING CHRISTINE AND RAUL HAS DONE NOTHING BUT CARE FOR HER AND PROTECT HER** I DON'T GET IT ALKJSLDFJSKLDKFSDKFJSLDFJSLDFSJDKFSDLFSF.
*breathes* Okay I'm good now.
[sub]**Except for the whole using her as bait to catch the Phantom, that wasn't very nice of him, but sacrifices and all that yadda yadda[/sub]
We've had those on the extremely rare occasion, but you're right the negativity around here is almost sickening.shrekfan246 said:
OT, I suppose: The first that comes to mind is Sephiroth, or as I like to call him, Sephiroth Bates.
Apparently some people don't know what implied dialogue is.crazyarms33 said:
Yeah, I understand that too, it can become a bit overbearing. However, it fits the theme of the series. Loneliness and the importance of good friends and family, and to never give up, even if everything seems hopeless.Herzog Wyrmsyn said:I enjoyed him in the 90s toon and Evolution. The problem is that he is the leader, so he has to make leader decisions and come off as a commander.Fiz_The_Toaster said:Makes you wonder why they just don't kill him off for good.Herzog Wyrmsyn said:
Or just make him less of an ass, but whatever.
What I find annoying about Naruto isTwiZtah said:"I'M GONNA SAVE SAUSKE AND BRING HIM BACK TO THE SIDE OF GOOD EVEN THOUGH HE'S TOTALLY EVIL NOW AND WANTS TO DESTROY MY ENTIRE VILLAGE! BELIEVE IT!"
I don't really understand the "I can project onto this" appeal of Gordon Freeman especially since people that think he's a great character have a tendency to in the same breath say how master chief is emotionless and uninteresting. Gordon has a face, a backstory, and every character in half life 2 seems to already know him and is so bizarrely affectionate to him that he seems more like a poorly fleshed out character than he does a blank slate. It would have been much better if they initially were skeptical towards him but eventually rallied behind him because of his heroic actions and combat abilities as opposed to "Hey gordon freeman! I know you! Remember that time we did this thing that clearly implies you have a personality so that now we're friends? Cool, since I know you so well lets fight the combines together."
Ashley Williams. Fuck that racist, christian, poetry loving ****. fuck everything about her.
She's one of the most popular Mass Effect romances and it baffals me just how many Mass Effect players aren't turned off by racism... or maybe it's xenophobia either way she's a religious bigot who quotes old poetry and that means I hate her.
Miranda Lawson. If there's one thing Bioware's good at it's characterizing the fuck out of people and when they try to make a ***** they go all the fucking way. So here you have this schizophrenic, spoiled brat, self centered ***** who has decided to be your self appointed second in command who does nothing but second guess and insult you when she's not shamelessly kissing your ass. And people like her... it...does not...compute...
Liara T'soni. not really though because I liked her in Mass Effect 1 and understood where she was coming from in Mass Effect 2, but then in ME 3 she completely shut down and wouldn't do anything. In general Mass Effect 3 is a poorly written mess but I didn't expect Liara to go all Ice Queen on me. Even in the playthrough where I didn't cheat on her she still cold shouldered me the entire game. That just got under my skin in a way that still bothers me even when all the other shit ME 3 pulled is slowly fading out of my memory.
Giovanna from Max Payne 3. You know if you think about it for a second she's the reason they caught Fabiana 'cause if she didn't run away in chapter 2 Passos could have chased down the helicopter and rescue them both. But that's not the extent of it, when you have to escort her in chapter 10 she wont stop screaming, or running around, or panicking, and then she just let's Passos fly off without you, what's up with that. I also hated Passos for much the same reasons. but instead of screaming and panicking he mostly just took my kills.
Luana from Record of Agarest War. I don't know if people love her (or if anyone's ever even heard of Record of Agarest War) but she is one of the love interests and she's just insufferable. The only thing that matters to her, and that she thinks should matter to anyone else is how "perfect" she is.(If you can imagine me saying that in a high pitched fluttery voice with an undertone of utter disgust then you're right on) All she wants is for a knight in shining armor to sweep her off her feet because she can cook and clean and is selfless and altruistic and utterly transparent because you don't pick up on any of that stuff sub-textually. She blatantly tells you all this crap! And so matter-of-fact-ly! I never get the sense that she likes you it's like you fit her story book definition of "lover" so she just treats you like you're already head over heals for her and it makes me sick.
Mostly I can't bring my self to hate poorly written characters or boring characters.
Like Master Chief, Marcus Fenix, Lightning, any of the COD protagonists (I assume people like them?) but there is one bad character who people like a lot who I despise.
Dom... Fuckin' Dom. That wife murdering ************. So he goes through all this effort to save her and when it seems that saving her might take some effort other than shooting aliens in the face, he shoots her in the head. WHAT THE FUCK? That's proof that this guy doesn't know how (or want to try) to do anything other that kill stuff. And yet he's supposed to be the relatable one of the bunch. Fuck you Epic Games.
She's one of the most popular Mass Effect romances and it baffals me just how many Mass Effect players aren't turned off by racism... or maybe it's xenophobia either way she's a religious bigot who quotes old poetry and that means I hate her.
Miranda Lawson. If there's one thing Bioware's good at it's characterizing the fuck out of people and when they try to make a ***** they go all the fucking way. So here you have this schizophrenic, spoiled brat, self centered ***** who has decided to be your self appointed second in command who does nothing but second guess and insult you when she's not shamelessly kissing your ass. And people like her... it...does not...compute...
Liara T'soni. not really though because I liked her in Mass Effect 1 and understood where she was coming from in Mass Effect 2, but then in ME 3 she completely shut down and wouldn't do anything. In general Mass Effect 3 is a poorly written mess but I didn't expect Liara to go all Ice Queen on me. Even in the playthrough where I didn't cheat on her she still cold shouldered me the entire game. That just got under my skin in a way that still bothers me even when all the other shit ME 3 pulled is slowly fading out of my memory.
Giovanna from Max Payne 3. You know if you think about it for a second she's the reason they caught Fabiana 'cause if she didn't run away in chapter 2 Passos could have chased down the helicopter and rescue them both. But that's not the extent of it, when you have to escort her in chapter 10 she wont stop screaming, or running around, or panicking, and then she just let's Passos fly off without you, what's up with that. I also hated Passos for much the same reasons. but instead of screaming and panicking he mostly just took my kills.
Luana from Record of Agarest War. I don't know if people love her (or if anyone's ever even heard of Record of Agarest War) but she is one of the love interests and she's just insufferable. The only thing that matters to her, and that she thinks should matter to anyone else is how "perfect" she is.(If you can imagine me saying that in a high pitched fluttery voice with an undertone of utter disgust then you're right on) All she wants is for a knight in shining armor to sweep her off her feet because she can cook and clean and is selfless and altruistic and utterly transparent because you don't pick up on any of that stuff sub-textually. She blatantly tells you all this crap! And so matter-of-fact-ly! I never get the sense that she likes you it's like you fit her story book definition of "lover" so she just treats you like you're already head over heals for her and it makes me sick.
Mostly I can't bring my self to hate poorly written characters or boring characters.
Like Master Chief, Marcus Fenix, Lightning, any of the COD protagonists (I assume people like them?) but there is one bad character who people like a lot who I despise.
Dom... Fuckin' Dom. That wife murdering ************. So he goes through all this effort to save her and when it seems that saving her might take some effort other than shooting aliens in the face, he shoots her in the head. WHAT THE FUCK? That's proof that this guy doesn't know how (or want to try) to do anything other that kill stuff. And yet he's supposed to be the relatable one of the bunch. Fuck you Epic Games.
No no, I do. But I thought this was about characters we hated? I'm not one for silent protagonists and Link really irks me. I thought that was allowed? hahaTwiZtah said:
I gather that you hate Ashley Williams.Mikeyfell said:
Though I don't understand why her being Christian has anything to do with it. If she were Buddhist would she have been more likable?
I thought her being religious was interesting given that she lives in a universe where Humanity is clearly not the only species out there. And yet she still retains her faith. You don't see that in a lot of sci fi. It was refreshing.
Yuna (FFX)
Auron (FFX)
Squall (FFVIII)
Rinoa (FFVIII)
Aeris (FFVII)
Master Chief (Halo)
Niko (GTAIV)
Chrono (Chrono Trigger)
Dante (Devil May Cry)
Raiden (MGS Sons of Liberty)
Auron (FFX)
Squall (FFVIII)
Rinoa (FFVIII)
Aeris (FFVII)
Master Chief (Halo)
Niko (GTAIV)
Chrono (Chrono Trigger)
Dante (Devil May Cry)
Raiden (MGS Sons of Liberty)
Cyclops is off his fing rocker now. He's got the phoenix split solely between himself and Emma and is forcing world peace, free will be damned. I think anyone that liked him before learned to hate him when he became dictator of his own island nation, cuz putting all the mutants on an island worked so well the last time =/ I can't wait for the Avengers to find a stick big enough to poke him with. Oh, Wanda!
Cyclops is a real asshole...so is Reed Richards but he doesn't have as many fans.idodo35 said:
While I don't hate Mario, I strongly prefer using Luigi in the games wherein that is an option.
I really don't think there are very many Twilight fans who love Bella as a character. She's designed to be a personality deficient blank slate for the reader to project on, so any feelings they have towards the story position Bella fills are really meant for them self. So they probably resent Bella more than anything else.Jacco said:
And anyone who actually pays attention to her actions throughout the story can hate her for better reasons...
I don't know for sure, but she's a tool for the reader not really a character, and when she does actually become a character she's not exactly likable. So I don't think that very many Twilight fans love her or even care that she exists. But I don't know many Twilight fans so I could be talking out my ass. (that begs the question if they're really that dumb, but then I remember they're fans of something so poorly written and it doesn't seem so implausible)
Edward and Jacob, now people love them. Not Bella