GrimHeaper said:
Sounds like someone is just mad because someone else said so.
Not Tidus's fault he is a time anomaly(because he is) and is from a different time and no one woudl believe him if he said so. Besides Auron makes up for having Tidus.
Actually, he's a dream construct manifested by the Fayth of Gagazet in the exact same way that Aeons and Sin (and Jecht) are. He's basically like Valefor but with the ability to stick around forever. Jecht and Tidus were manifest outside of the Dream Zanarkand as part of a plan by the Fayth to free themselves from having to dream Zanarkand for eternity under the enslavement of Yu Yevon.
And besides are you telling me you wouldn't do stupid things in his shoes?
What you want you character to be great all of the time and all knowing?
Exactly. He starts the game as a point of view character, someone from a world not too unlike ours who has no working knowledge of Spira. He's there as an exposition sponge, so people can explain the aspects of Spira that Spirans would know but he would not.
Starting the game as a Tag-a-long, he's there to witness Yuna's story. By the time they reach Zanarkand tho, he realizes who and what he is, and what will happen if they defeat Sin for good. He does so anyways, giving up his entire existence for the sake of this land he's a stranger to. That's what he means when he says 'This is MY story.' Because the journey to sacrifice Yuna to defeat Sin temporarily has, at that point, become HIS plan to sacrifice himself to defeat Sin permanently.
Fitting considering he's a literal manifestation of the death wish of the Fayth.
Tidus was perhaps the most realistic character I have seen Square done compared to the "we get everything right except the things we couldn't prevent"types we get now.
I dunno, I liked Squall. I like character development and Squall does some literally growing up in Final Fantasy 8.
Regardless, let's look at the Final Fantasies for whiney protagonists.
Seven had Cloud, a warrior who spends most of the game pressing forward with quiet stoic bravado, until he comes to realize that he's being manipulated by Jenova cells implanted in him. He finds out he's not the person he thought he was, that instead he's been putting up a shell of self-deception to cover some trauma he can't quite sort out. Eventually he sorts out this trama, and comes to terms with who he was, but more importantly, who he's become, and he makes a choice to be the stoic hero rather than the weak coward.
Notice he never complains about this. He doesn't whine, he doesn't passive-aggressively expect others to do the work for him. He never actually whines. All he does is calmly, stoicly, and sadly, accept things as they come, until he determines he doesn't have to, and frees himself from his own mental problems.
You cam say Squall is a bit of a whiner, but he's really more of a brooder. He's a teenager who doesn't quite know his place in the world, an orphan who lost everyone he loves and is throwing himself into his work in order to forget. He's very sad, and lonely, but prefers the pain of loneliness to the risk of losing someone he cares about.
Not many people deal with death when you're as young as Squall was when he lost his mother, his father disappeared, and his sister. Believe it or not, Squall is a very realistic portrayal of such a character. He has abandonment issues, but the point behind his character isn't in where he started... it's how he grows out of it. Suddenly Rinoa comes into his life, and her nature clashes with his reclusiveness. The thing to remember with Squall is that he isn't happy being reclusive, he's actually miserable, but afraid. Rinoa drags him from that, but in the process he learns he CAN depend on others, Rinoa AND his friends. Fate has dictated that Squall grow up and become a man, a good man, one that cares about everyone around him.
And he DOES care. He's just afraid.
Sidane goes batshit crazy and almost joins the other team when he realizes he was created to destroy the world. No comment.
Tidus doesn't whine, he presses forward stupidly with determination while questioning Spira's death cycles. Like anyone of us might.
No one in FF12 whines. Ashe and Vaan mourn, but at no point do they ever whine.
The only character that whines in FF13 is Hope, and let's be honest... he just lost his mother.
So... where is the whiney protagonist that seems to pervade Final Fantasy? I sure as hell can't find him. I find attempts at realized characters who have internal conflicts they eventually grow out of, rather than Marty Sues who have no problems at all but at least they don't complain about it.
Denariax said:
Simple. WoW destroyed mainstream PC gaming. Notice how most went to consoles.
Console gaming has won over gamers and developers for many reasons. Ease of piracy is an issue. The costs involved in running a current machine are another. The need to ensure hardware conflicts do not interfere with your gaming experience is another. Market penetration and easy of use of consoles are another.
Now, I've played WoW... and it has nothing to do with these things, which have been problems with PC gaming as long as there has been PC gaming... or are you going to tell us that Blizzard went back in time and made games require mucking about in Config.sys way back in the day...
Not to mention, PC Gamers that actually outcry against their platform's remaining success stories. No wonder developers are moving away from you... they're afraid that if they start to be successful on the platform PC elitist snobs will BLAME there success for PC gaming's downfall. IT'S TOO POPULAR AND MAKES PC GAMING TOO ATTRACTIVE SO IT'S BAD. Seriously guy, stfu, you're actually more of a contributer to PC gaming's death than something that proves PC gaming can work.
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