Cheating - A Research Thread
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I've always wondered if 'grinding' for EXP and money in RPGs is 'legal cheating'.
In games like Xenoblade or Tales of the Abyss, the battles are just that fun. So I keep on fighting and exploring more than I really need to, and discover that I'm majorly overpowered.
Xenoblade solves this by putting VERY powerful foes in all areas if you know where to look. Abyss solves it with difficulty settings you can change at anytime in the middle of the game. Most other games just kinda ignore the issue.
In games like Xenoblade or Tales of the Abyss, the battles are just that fun. So I keep on fighting and exploring more than I really need to, and discover that I'm majorly overpowered.
Xenoblade solves this by putting VERY powerful foes in all areas if you know where to look. Abyss solves it with difficulty settings you can change at anytime in the middle of the game. Most other games just kinda ignore the issue.
I think you might be talking about Dragon Crystal, it had a de-leveling enemy.adamtm said:
I define cheating as gaining an unfair advantage over other players through means not normally available in game. So, things like using cheat codes on the first playthrough (that aren't unlockable in the game as a course of fact. Ratchet and Clank has unlockable "cheats" that unlock as you gain skill points in game, this sort of thing is fine because they don't break the game, they are merely cathartic and aesthetic.), using game glitches extensively to break the game AI is unacceptable to me, though once or twice is fine. Using walkthroughs if you are genuinely stuck is fine to me.
Cheating in multiplayer is pretty much unnacceptable to me with VERY FEW exceptions, like adding a flying tool in minecraft to allow for easier building, that is fine if the server allows it. Cheating otherwise is very low.
Cheating is when you have modified hardware (modding systems/controllers) or software (hacking) to give yourself an unfair advantage over other players who do not use this. I do not believe that using what is IN the game (no outside programs), such as exploits and glitches should constitute as cheating. That falls to the developers to fix. So basically, having something not everyone has access to.
If you are playing offline, I have no problem with cheating. Hell, I cheat in Pokemon to get the items that activate in-game events, because these events are normally accessible to Japanese players from the get-go, but will only be made accessible to others on some arbitrary date decided by Nintendo. If it's in the game, I deserve it.
However, when you are playing against other players, cheating is NEVER okay. Cheating serves one purpose - the fulfillment of that player's ego; either by wasting the enemy team with no effort or by taking pleasure in making the other players mad that they were cheated. This is unacceptable behavior because it ruins the experience for other players. It has nothing to do with that person wanting to prove themselves, enjoy the game, or compete against other players - some of the bigger reasons we play online competitively.
I work for a store that sells video games and accessories and we sometimes have people (usually children) asking if we have 'modded' controllers for them to play with in Call of Duty or Halo. I also have a disturbing number of people outright admit to me that they have modded consoles with programs that grant them false gamer tags to avoid being reported. Even if they are lying, it still makes me incredibly mad. When you ruin a gaming experience for someone else just to fluff your pathetic little ego, you are a terrible and petty person.
If you are playing offline, I have no problem with cheating. Hell, I cheat in Pokemon to get the items that activate in-game events, because these events are normally accessible to Japanese players from the get-go, but will only be made accessible to others on some arbitrary date decided by Nintendo. If it's in the game, I deserve it.
However, when you are playing against other players, cheating is NEVER okay. Cheating serves one purpose - the fulfillment of that player's ego; either by wasting the enemy team with no effort or by taking pleasure in making the other players mad that they were cheated. This is unacceptable behavior because it ruins the experience for other players. It has nothing to do with that person wanting to prove themselves, enjoy the game, or compete against other players - some of the bigger reasons we play online competitively.
I work for a store that sells video games and accessories and we sometimes have people (usually children) asking if we have 'modded' controllers for them to play with in Call of Duty or Halo. I also have a disturbing number of people outright admit to me that they have modded consoles with programs that grant them false gamer tags to avoid being reported. Even if they are lying, it still makes me incredibly mad. When you ruin a gaming experience for someone else just to fluff your pathetic little ego, you are a terrible and petty person.
Cheating - To act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, esp. in a game.
Taking this definition as my basis, cheating can be expanded upon in a few ways, finding that rock you can stand on where the enemies can't hit you but you can hit them, is gaining an advantage.. but is it unfair ? In single player, probably not, in multiplayer competitive games then yes its using an exploit.
In single player games, circumventing the games natural flow must be considered cheating, but most people wouldn't consider it so or don't care even if it means all weapons, max level from the tutorial stage. It is only when engaged in conflict with other people that cheating in games takes on a new level.
Taking this definition as my basis, cheating can be expanded upon in a few ways, finding that rock you can stand on where the enemies can't hit you but you can hit them, is gaining an advantage.. but is it unfair ? In single player, probably not, in multiplayer competitive games then yes its using an exploit.
In single player games, circumventing the games natural flow must be considered cheating, but most people wouldn't consider it so or don't care even if it means all weapons, max level from the tutorial stage. It is only when engaged in conflict with other people that cheating in games takes on a new level.
Cheating, to me, is simply breaking the normal rules of the game - whether it's using cheat codes that were deliberately implemented by the developer, or third party hacks etc.
I won't get into whether I think cheating is right or not because i don't think that's the question that was asked
I won't get into whether I think cheating is right or not because i don't think that's the question that was asked
Obviously, I only cheat in Single Player games.
Now to qualify this even further, I will only cheat on my second/third playthroughs of a game, i.e. to make it quicker through sections, I've already completed in that manner (i.e. If last time I blasted my way through Typhoon production facility in DE:HR, the second play through I'd Stealth it, the third play through, I'd dick around and potentially use cheats to see if I missed any secrets or easter eggs).
I've always played like this, I would never cheat Sonic games until I had collected all the Emeralds manually, this could get especially frustrating as a kid when I wasn't too good at them, also it goes with my current philosophy... and let me be brutally honest; I suck at videogames, but I love them anyway and since 2004 vowed I would never play them on easy, only on standard difficulty or harder, which has often meant taking longer to complete them as I die time and time again, but the sense of satisfaction at doing something difficult without resorting to cheating to get past it, is immense... at least the first 2 or 3 times... after that, god mode *****, I'm playin' to see what the loot beyond that optional Balrog/Dragon hybrid is.
So for me, cheating is a way to see things in a game, my skill level wouldn't normally allow... but only when I've struggled through it a few times.
Now to qualify this even further, I will only cheat on my second/third playthroughs of a game, i.e. to make it quicker through sections, I've already completed in that manner (i.e. If last time I blasted my way through Typhoon production facility in DE:HR, the second play through I'd Stealth it, the third play through, I'd dick around and potentially use cheats to see if I missed any secrets or easter eggs).
I've always played like this, I would never cheat Sonic games until I had collected all the Emeralds manually, this could get especially frustrating as a kid when I wasn't too good at them, also it goes with my current philosophy... and let me be brutally honest; I suck at videogames, but I love them anyway and since 2004 vowed I would never play them on easy, only on standard difficulty or harder, which has often meant taking longer to complete them as I die time and time again, but the sense of satisfaction at doing something difficult without resorting to cheating to get past it, is immense... at least the first 2 or 3 times... after that, god mode *****, I'm playin' to see what the loot beyond that optional Balrog/Dragon hybrid is.
So for me, cheating is a way to see things in a game, my skill level wouldn't normally allow... but only when I've struggled through it a few times.
I'm not okay with cheating, in anything. One time I was playing Half Life. I had 3 health left, and the autosave saved right as the headcrab jumped at me. It took a long time, but I eventually killed it. Although...
Fallout New Vegas seems to think that me changing the FoV is cheating. And this makes me upset, because having it at anything other than 90 is annoying to look at.
Fallout New Vegas seems to think that me changing the FoV is cheating. And this makes me upset, because having it at anything other than 90 is annoying to look at.
Using a third party program / edited files or anything else that gives you an unfair and unnatural advantage over the other players.
Now on to giving my opinion anyway.
Single player cheating is ok for me, mainly because you don't hurt anyone else / ruin some strangers game. It is ideal for just dicking around if you feel like it.
Multi player cheaters however should be publicly ridiculed and have their internet access removed.
If you play in multiplayer and cheat. you ruin other peoples game. Not cool in short.
HOWEVER if there is a full server where EVERYONE cheats, because i dont know, they agreed to all use cheats, go right ahead because EVERYONE is in there with the same mindset. (this also goes for modded servers)
Now on to giving my opinion anyway.
Single player cheating is ok for me, mainly because you don't hurt anyone else / ruin some strangers game. It is ideal for just dicking around if you feel like it.
Multi player cheaters however should be publicly ridiculed and have their internet access removed.
If you play in multiplayer and cheat. you ruin other peoples game. Not cool in short.
HOWEVER if there is a full server where EVERYONE cheats, because i dont know, they agreed to all use cheats, go right ahead because EVERYONE is in there with the same mindset. (this also goes for modded servers)
Any instance of a player intentionally circumventing the rules of the game. This includes exploitation of coding errors or events unforeseen by the developers.
As for how I feel about it? If you want to cheat in single player games, go right ahead. If you need to cheat while playing online to feel good about yourself, you need to put your controller down and take a long hard look at what you're doing with your life.
As for how I feel about it? If you want to cheat in single player games, go right ahead. If you need to cheat while playing online to feel good about yourself, you need to put your controller down and take a long hard look at what you're doing with your life.
I only consider online cheating to be actual cheating - otherwise you're just cheating yourself and cheapening your own experience.
So aimbots, wallhacks, etc are the obvious ones. But in games like CS, modifying your rates so that you're harder to hit is cheating imo, and that is something that is very rarely policed, and is able to be modified quite easily.
So aimbots, wallhacks, etc are the obvious ones. But in games like CS, modifying your rates so that you're harder to hit is cheating imo, and that is something that is very rarely policed, and is able to be modified quite easily.
I consider cheating to be gaining some form of unfair advantage in a way that someone else cannot in a way that was not intended by the developers.
For example activating God mode or No clip.
I have no problem with it in single player games but it should not ever be done in multiplayer games by anyone other than an Admin on their server or something.
For example activating God mode or No clip.
I have no problem with it in single player games but it should not ever be done in multiplayer games by anyone other than an Admin on their server or something.
Cheating is breaking the rules of the game to gain an unnatural advantage, whether it is fair/ethical is dependent on if the player is cheating in a competitive environment or not.
I only play single player games, and I don't ever use cheats. It just removes the pleasure I get from earning x item or beating a tough opponent, cheating just feels hollow.
I have however used online help before when I have encountered say a platforming or puzzle section in a dungeon that I cannot work out how to get through, which is stopping me from progressing through the game. I do not classify this as cheating though
I only play single player games, and I don't ever use cheats. It just removes the pleasure I get from earning x item or beating a tough opponent, cheating just feels hollow.
I have however used online help before when I have encountered say a platforming or puzzle section in a dungeon that I cannot work out how to get through, which is stopping me from progressing through the game. I do not classify this as cheating though
It's not about what cheating is. It's what it's done for. Doing so to enhance your personal game for fun and amusement (or because that level was shit, totally) is perfectly fine. Cheating to essentially fuck other people over for laughs when it's all about competing naturally for (again) fun and amusement...is not fine. Being a dick to other people is not what the game was made for. Be a dick TO the game, not to people PLAYING the game.
Hmm...Besides the cheat codes which are almost extinct, it'd probably be the action replays, the gamesharks, etc etc. I only use one for my DS games for simple re-playability.
I don't think they're bad in and of themselves, it's the usage. If used early on to make the game time so short, it's bad. If its done after a playthrough or a few, and just to liven it up a little, okay but stick to single player non-online games. The ban hammers punish the cheats in competitive play so no worries there
I don't think they're bad in and of themselves, it's the usage. If used early on to make the game time so short, it's bad. If its done after a playthrough or a few, and just to liven it up a little, okay but stick to single player non-online games. The ban hammers punish the cheats in competitive play so no worries there