Cheerleader must compensate school that told her to clap 'rapist'

[Alexnader]

Rape = death penalty.

Problem solved.​

Oh hey there! I'm a girl who's saying you raped me. becase you played a bit rough with me last night.

Oh lol your going to get killed even though i was lying and i agreed to it.

JUSTICE FOR ALL. AMIRITE?

Firstly, I'm a girl and I'm taken.

Secondly, the attitude you just demonstrated makes me laugh at the post. Thank you.

If you want to try again without the laughable attitude, I'll read your post.

It'd be more like "Oh hey there, here's that girl who I raped. I'm going to murder her now because the punishment for rape is as bad as the punishment for murder so I might as well shut her up for good so she won't be able to finger me in a line-up."

The death penalty in my opinion already fails as a penalty for murder, applying to it to crimes of lesser significance merely weakens it further. And yes raping someone is not as bad as murdering them. The perpetrator might well ruin the victim's life but at least the victim will still have a life to live.

 

[CommanderKirov]

Rape = death penalty.

Problem solved.​

I see the amazing overreaction you did there.

Death penalty is overdoing it. Castration is a much more fitting punishment.

 

[Kair]

Goodbye faith in humanity.

Spoiler: Contains strong language. Read at own risk.

Fucking stupid bastards in this world but these dicks take the shitty cake.

There are far worse examples of the mental illness that plagues 99.8% of the world's population.

 

[Popido]

Ah, the beautiful education system of america.

The player is more valuable to the school than the cheerleader. Its actually pretty reasonable if you think this situation from the school's point of view. Maybe capitalism wasnt the best choice to put in power before people afterall.

 

[TheCruxis]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cheerleader-must-compensate-school-that-told-her-to-clap-rapist-2278522.html

A teenage girl who was dropped from her high school's cheer leading squad after refusing to chant the name of a basketball player who had sexually assaulted her must pay compensation of $45,000 (£27,300) after losing a legal challenge against the decision.

Normally stuff like this makes me rage so hard I am unable to type,this time I am sort of in a transcended state of pure rage so I am able to coherently type.It happened in the US in Texas btw.

So,what are the Escapists feelings on this,I consider myself level headed and understand crazy shit happens in this world,but if I had a daughter who got raped and I had to pay the rapists legal fees,I think I would instead use that money to buy guns and ammo and go postal on the judge and rapist.This is if I was 100% certain my daughter got raped.

Ahhh... America ^^

 

[icame]

This is...GAH! That is so fucked up! Our 'justice' system is the most backwards ass thing I have ever seen. People say that they lose their faith in humanity a lot, but honestly, I think I have lost hope in not only humanity, but in the law itself. FUCK THESE PEOPLE. That cheerleader should bring that to the supreme court and get a metric ass-ton of media coverage. Then we'll see who comes out with a fine when she gets massive support.

 

[Flare Phoenix]

While I think the $45000 is a little steep... it's not like she didn't know he would be playing in the game. She must have known the possibility would come up she would have to cheer for him at some point. If she had pulled the coach aside and explained the situation, even if that meant getting kicked off the team, things might have gone differently.

 

[Voodoomancer]

Words cannot convey the shock and rage, so I won't even try...

 

[theNater]

That cheerleader should bring that to the supreme court and get a metric ass-ton of media coverage.

She brought it to the Supreme Court. They refused to hear the case, on the basis that kicking someone off the cheer squad for refusing to cheer is reasonable.

 

[Pearwood]

So,what are the Escapists feelings on this,I consider myself level headed and understand crazy shit happens in this world,but if I had a daughter who got raped and I had to pay the rapists legal fees,I think I would instead use that money to buy guns and ammo and go postal on the judge and rapist.This is if I was 100% certain my daughter got raped.

It sounds as though it's the schools legal fees, unless I'm reading it wrong she took the school to court and lost and now she's got stuck with the bill. But yeah I can't even imagine that kind of mentality. It does seem fairly typical for that area of America though.

Edit: whether or not the alleged sexual assault happened it's still harsh to force someone to stop cheerleading just for not clapping for a name, I mean surely she could have just said she had a bad breakup with her boyfriend who was on the team and be let off for a few days in any normal kind of society.

 

[Flare Phoenix]

Rape = death penalty.

Problem solved.​

Oh hey there! I'm a girl who's saying you raped me. becase you played a bit rough with me last night.

Oh lol your going to get killed even though i was lying and i agreed to it.

JUSTICE FOR ALL. AMIRITE?

Firstly, I'm a girl and I'm taken.

Secondly, the attitude you just demonstrated makes me laugh at the post. Thank you.

If you want to try again without the laughable attitude, I'll read your post.

Because a woman can pretty much decide she was raped, it means a lot of men would get killed for no reason.

 

[Yopaz]

Well, as I see it she was simply using her right to free speech so she should be in her right according to the first amendment, but this is Texas, and they only support free speech when it supports the stereotypical Texan views.

Her right to free speech means she can't be arrested for saying or not saying whatever she wants. It does not protect her from losing her position on the cheer squad for not cheering.

Also the law works in mysterious ways. You wont get the same punishment for walking up to a person and punch him in the face as you will get for first being punched then punch back.

I'm not a lawyer, but I'm fairly sure that if you get punched exactly once, and you punch him four months later, you do get the same punishment as if you hadn't been punched.

Yeah, but then there is this thing, punching someone is illegal unless it's self defense, using your right to free speech is however not a crime.

Irrelevant. Being free to speak does not, in all circumstances, protect you from the consequences of what you choose to say (or in this case, not say). If you act up enough in class you can get detention, suspension or even expulsion. No free speech protection there. If a football player sits down in the middle of a game in protest, he can be kicked off the team. In this case, the cheerleader chose not to cheer. The consequences are distasteful, but hardly shocking, considering they let a rapist (or more legally accurately, an convicted assailant) back on the team.

As far as that last comment goes... the school did not punch her in the face. The school did not rape her. The school may have raped their own reputation, but that's not particularly relevant to a court case. And the results of the legal proceedings in this case far less than mysterious. Everyone up to the Supreme Court sided with the school and the Supreme Court didn't feel that the case was even worth hearing.

Yes, being free to speech does come with a mind your manner note, but this is however as I stated quite clearly a public school. If it had been in a private company, yes, she should get fired for not supporting the company. In this case she hasn't signed a contract about not being able to use her free speech so they can't be compared. She isn't employed, she isn't being paid, thus she has the right to voice her complaints. Also all she did here was to use her right to shut up, which is also a right by American law. The school didn't punch her in the face, true, I never said that. I said that when you judge someone you often consider if they had been provoked prior to the incident they are being judged for. So she didn't break any rules, any laws, she was kicked off the squad, something that might likely ruin her future, because she used her rights.
Explain to me in simple terms how this is fair? Should you be punished for using your rights when it is in your rights? Also what would be the result of her not chanting? It would mean one less annoying voice in the crowd, nothing lost when there are a group with annoying chants. Also if free speech can be removed this easily, shouldn't that be a concern? That free speech is only there when it's convenient and removed when it suits whoever? Should I all of a sudden be punished for disagreeing with the results of the trial? If you're supposed to remove free speech from schools and private companies, where does it stop? Should the internet be censored so no-one can disagree with the leaders? Should we do it like 1984 where they brainwash the masses to be unable to think ill of the government?

 

[Hive Mind]

Because a woman can pretty much decide she was raped, it means a lot of men would get killed for no reason.

Men are raped too. The fact you appear to not understand this weakens your opinion on the subject greatly and renders your post moot.

 

[lazysquirell]

Why is it if you're good at sports you're somehow exempt from the law? Why do we hold sports "stars" to such a high degree. I know the flipside of it is that they get very little privacy but it's still such bulls**t they are no better than any other person and should not recieve any special treatment or indeed be revered to that level for being born with the ability to play a sport.

On the flipside there are a lot of false claims made against sports "stars" aswell in return for a quick payday these people might aswell be spitting in the faces of every rape victim. These false accusations naturally bring in a new level of scrutiny that perhaps shouldn't be there. In all honesty I wouldn't p**s on any of these people if they were on fire...

 

[wulfy42]

I actually blame her lawyer more then anything else. From the little information we get out of the article it sounds like Rape was never proven at all. That means she had no legal reason for not cheering for him (Basically the same as saying I don't like him so I won't cheer for him legally).

Now don't get me wrong the coach is a totally *censored* but legally there was no reason for her to sue the school system. She certainly didn't deserve compensation from the school system for being kicked off the team.

If he did rape her the real travesty is that he got away with it with only a slap on the wrist. It's sad to see so much effort was put into a civil lawsuit instead of the criminal lawsuit against the supposed rapist. Where was the lawyer then? Oh yeah, there was no potential money involved at that point.

Situation sucks, but honestly the problem here is people sueing for anything. Get kicked off a cheer team and your first response should not be to sue them!!

As far as fining her, it seems like alot but that is probably the costs the school accumulated and it's not like they could have just ignored her, they had to spend that money. She had many other options open to her and basically the school had to either spend 45k fighting her, or pay a bunch more. In my opinion she sued the wrong person. I'm not sure if you can sue someone for damages (emotional and otherwise) from being raped, but I think that would probably have been a far better idea then sueing the school. In fact, her getting kicked off the cheer leading team would have been a good example of the negative impact (and potential long term finacial impact) her being raped could have had. Perhaps she should turn around and sue him and include the legal fee's against the school in her suit. Even if that gets thrown o ut and considered frivulous as well....she doesn't really have that much to lose anymore. At her age she'll end up declaring bankrupcy anyway I'm sure.

 

[Alexnader]

It'd be more like "Oh hey there, here's that girl who I raped. I'm going to murder her now because the punishment for rape is as bad as the punishment for murder so I might as well shut her up for good so she won't be able to finger me in a line-up."

The death penalty in my opinion already fails as a penalty for murder, applying to it to crimes of lesser significance merely weakens it further. And yes raping someone is not as bad as murdering them. The perpetrator might well ruin the victim's life but at least the victim will still have a life to live.

I agree with the first line of your post; much as I wish the death penalty was around in my country when I hear of crimes like this I know it wouldn't do much to dissuade rapists and murderers from doing it.

The part I highlighted in bold is something I'm rather iffy on; having known a couple of people who suffered that, there reactions vary from manic depression to a determinedly cheerful attitude. In some cases, the victim would be better off dead. Personally, I'd rather be dead than have that happen, but eh; thats just me.

The way I see it, if the perpetrator didn't murder you then you'd have that choice, terrible though it may be. Murdering someone takes away that choice and any chance of rehabilitation, however slim, the victim might have had. In short death scares the hell out of me and the act of murder is in my opinion the most despicable thing a person can do. (This is different from euthanasia)

However I live a life of pretty much atheistic comfort, almost completely insulated from the harsher sides of life. Maybe those who have experienced that degree of suffering would rather take death. It's just that from my perspective as long as you're still alive you have the chance to do... something. Something or anything, even if it just involves sitting in a corner muttering to yourself. As opposed to doing absolutely nothing for the rest of eternity as you lie in oblivion, without even your own thoughts.