Chivalry is dead. And wymen/womyn killed it.

[Bulletinmybrain]

When you are born into this world you have the ability to earn as much as any man and no matter how many times you quote a wage gap this will always be the case, the wage gap is meaningless.

Just like how in America, you can accomplish anything regardless of your background, class, race, economic status, etc., right?

Barack. Had zero experience and still became president one of the most prestigious titles in the U.S

Shingling a roof isn't that bad just so you know. Airgun+Nails plus somebody to haul up a 50lb bag of shingles its really not that bad...I helped my brother who is a roofer himself and a architect roof and it really isn't bad. A lot of bending and such and the cutting of said shingles.

It's the hauling the 50lb bags up a ladder that isn't rated to support me that I object to. No, I will stay on the ground and do the dishes.

Do you weigh 500+ pounds? Anyways ladder issue has no place seeing as my dad weighs 250 or so pounds and carried up 50lbs and more of shingles up a ladder all of that day and it just a mere steel ladder. Lol. Poking holes in peoples arguements is fun.

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

Speaking of literature, did anyone ever notice how one-sided "The Vagina Monologues" are?

Speaking of which, did anyone ever notice how one-sided the last couple millenia have been?

Speaking of which, did you ever come across the theory of 'Leaving the past where you found it.'

(God I love being snide)



Might I weigh in on the similar examples of Finnboghi.

Okay, my mother is a nurse, and my father a surveyor (Quantity). When they were both employed AND my mother was working a night shift, my dad was still grossing around 25/30% more than she was despite the fact that she spend longer being trained, is a couple of years older and there is a nursing shortage in Great Britain.

This is clearly a case of something going horribly wrong. Given the amount of training that is required to become a nurse (a fair amount) coupled with the often diabolical working conditions, godawful hours and the persistant shortage of them, surely, in accordance with Supply and Demand, my mother should have been making far more money than my father?

And she didn't.

Which leads me
to my next conclusion. There is something fundamentally wrong with the current valuation of goods and services. A nurse, will provide far more in the way of keeping the entire nation going than most other proffessions (outside of the police, fire and other health care proffessionals). So why are they so badly paid?


I can't answer that question.


And chivalry is not dead. Why, only yesterday I helped a woman carry her shopping inside her house, before going off to burn an entire city to the ground.

That could be because nurses got payed very little up until very recently. And nurses I dare say arn't as important as say a surveyor.(We are talking about the ones who inspect buildings correct?) If there were no nurses there would be more doctors or something else. While a surveyor is required to make sure a building is up to code to make sure building doesn't collapse and such. So Surveyors save lives, Nurses are the helping hand of doctors but they don't really save lifes. They more prolong them.

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

It's not the pay in the Pizza Huts, it's the employment patterns in the Pizza Hut Corporate, and the trades that build the Pizza Hut buildings that are responsible for the gap in pay.

A guy with no academic credentials can still find a good-paying job in things like construction. On the other hand, how many good-paying jobs are out there for women that don't involve a college degree? Ever wonder why so many women waitress? It's about the only blue-collar job that doesn't involve physical labor, where women have a harder time breaking in. Ever wonder why factories hire women these days? They're less likely to unionize.

Thats not sexism at all, if women can't do construction work they have to take less paying jobs. Now if we expand on this and say it's thing like this that account for the wage gap (i.e men can do all the jobs women can do but women cant do the more physical jobs men do) then the only way to close the wage gap is to overpay women or discriminate against men...

Or overpay jobs that both men and women have access to.

A lot of people still die, Get maimed and such in construction. The only bad thing that could happen to a waitress is maybe have the store robbed.

If I put my life, T&A on the line for a job. I expect more pay then a waitress. Unskilled or not.

 

[PedroSteckecilo]

An Extremely Short History of How Women Have Been Treated... in History...

In a Hunter Gatherer Society women are respected and occasionally deified. Men Hunt, Women Gather, Children are largely raised in a tribal commune, hence what is good for the tribe is good for your offspring etc.

Then suddenly we have Agriculture, sinking many more hours of labor into making land productive. And then Property Ownership skews the male biological instinct to protect our offspring and ensure the continuation of our genetic line, we subjigate women to ensure they aren't sleeping around and that those children our from our genetic lineage.

Shortly after that several major religions have their earliest recorded moments, replacing early fertility cults with exciting new masculine gods and religious justifications for our biological imperitives. Women are codified and written in as inferior our of a misguided need to "protect them", this still persists.

Early Judaism considers women as property, a means to a reproductive end. They are also deigned as extremely treacherous and subservient to men in the old testiment. As well this is the first in a long line of patriarchal developments in Western Civilization.

Christianity comes along, women are very powerful and prominent in the Early Church. Constantine makes Christianity the official church of Rome and infuses Roman chauvanism into Christian doctrine, removing them from positions of importance and again making women inferior by law.

In the Medieval era women have no rights or privaleges, are considered property. The code of Chivalry, a sort of idealization of the knightly vows, is developed.

Knights rape, pillage and slaughter at their whims, Chivalry is meaningless.

Protestantism sets things further back for women by making sex and sexualization EVIL, and women are vile temptresses and easy targets for Satan. We now have the early concepts of witchcraft, many women and men are burned for no reason. Records indicate some women are burned for "arrousing men through their appearances".

Finally, in the 20th century, women get their revenge on men by introducing Prohibition after finally being given the vote during WW1. In the 1970's, women finally manage to make an early push towards equality.

In the 80's the best way for a woman to get ahead in a company was to show off her clevage and sleep with her boss (Tips from an actual "How to Get Ahead In Business If You're A Woman" book).

2008, my girlfriend works for a chauvanist asshole who makes sexist jokes, fires secretaries for not sleeping with him, bangs the most successful sales associate (She gets the best jobs cause she puts out) and makes date rape jokes. He is currently being sued on several counts of Sexual Harassment. The man considers women inferior and has never graduated highschool.

2008, there are 2 men in my entire department in an Oil Company, the VP of Accounting and the Head Human Resources Manager are both Women.

Make what you will of this. I'm glad things are the way they are, and I still wish they could be a little better.

 

[jockslap]

When you are born into this world you have the ability to earn as much as any man and no matter how many times you quote a wage gap this will always be the case, the wage gap is meaningless.

Just like how in America, you can accomplish anything regardless of your background, class, race, economic status, etc., right?

Barack. Had zero experience and still became president one of the most prestigious titles in the U.S

He was Editor of the Harvard Law Review. After eight years of the Constitution being used as a punchline, I can think of no more relevant experience than that of having to deal with competing legal ideologies in a fair and balanced manner.

i LIKE obama, but even if he was inexperienced, McCain was really stupid, he was planning on like 4 more invasions and the American economy is already in the shitter thanks to the current war, the dude just shouldn't have been elected even if he was running against someone else.

besides that this little bit is off topic, maybe someone should make/find a thread about this?

 

[jockslap]

An Extremely Short History of How Women Have Been Treated... in History...

In a Hunter Gatherer Society women are respected and occasionally deified. Men Hunt, Women Gather, Children are largely raised in a tribal commune, hence what is good for the tribe is good for your offspring etc.

Then suddenly we have Agriculture, sinking many more hours of labor into making land productive. And then Property Ownership skews the male biological instinct to protect our offspring and ensure the continuation of our genetic line, we subjigate women to ensure they aren't sleeping around and that those children our from our genetic lineage.

Shortly after that several major religions have their earliest recorded moments, replacing early fertility cults with exciting new masculine gods and religious justifications for our biological imperitives. Women are codified and written in as inferior our of a misguided need to "protect them", this still persists.

Early Judaism considers women as property, a means to a reproductive end. They are also deigned as extremely treacherous and subservient to men in the old testiment. As well this is the first in a long line of patriarchal developments in Western Civilization.

Christianity comes along, women are very powerful and prominent in the Early Church. Constantine makes Christianity the official church of Rome and infuses Roman chauvanism into Christian doctrine, removing them from positions of importance and again making women inferior by law.

In the Medieval era women have no rights or privaleges, are considered property. The code of Chivalry, a sort of idealization of the knightly vows, is developed.

Knights rape, pillage and slaughter at their whims, Chivalry is meaningless.

Protestantism sets things further back for women by making sex and sexualization EVIL, and women are vile temptresses and easy targets for Satan. We now have the early concepts of witchcraft, many women and men are burned for no reason. Records indicate some women are burned for "arrousing men through their appearances".

Finally, in the 20th century, women get their revenge on men by introducing Prohibition after finally being given the vote during WW1. In the 1970's, women finally manage to make an early push towards equality.

In the 80's the best way for a woman to get ahead in a company was to show off her clevage and sleep with her boss (Tips from an actual "How to Get Ahead In Business If You're A Woman" book).

2008, my girlfriend works for a chauvanist asshole who makes sexist jokes, fires secretaries for not sleeping with him, bangs the most successful sales associate and makes date rape jokes. He is currently being sued on several counts of Sexual Harassment. The man considers women inferior and has never graduated highschool.

2008, there are 2 men in my entire department in an Oil Company, the VP of Accounting and the Head Human Resources Manager are both Women.

Make what you will of this. I'm glad things are the way they are, and I still with they could be a little better.

yeah i think its cool that women are achieving just as much as men, i really enjoy the world were in now, despite it's flaws.

 

[Solo508]

What the hell is with the 'wymen' and 'womyn' crap? That just plain confused me, I had to google that up; '...an alternative spelling to the word woman' - Why didn't you just say women then?! God...

Anyway, that woman at the door was a *****. End of. Not all women give you that femenist crap simply for being curteous.

Women have had a lot of stick in the past, they used to be our (males) property, and all of their possessions belonged to the man if they were married. I think at one point they didn't even own their children. Still though, all that has changed now in most places, but you can't get the feel of it to disappear 'overnight' as it were. Chivalry isn't dead... don't be silly. She maybe just had a bad day.

 

[Nimbus]

Equality killed chivalry. That's a saying of mine.

 

[Hawgh]

Chivalry is dead when I say it is, dammit.

 

[PedroSteckecilo]

Cheese_Pavilion

As I pointed out, that was a short history, and hence needs to be based on broad generalizations and overarching social trends, NOT exceptions to the rule.

Also I'm aware of the Net Hunting data and some of the arguements inherent in the other source you posted. It's not something I've had excessive education in however, I specialized in religion, not feminism. However my roommate specializes in Augustus's family laws in Rome, which were the basis for the treatment of Women in the medieval era on a grand administrative scale and I'm sure she could give you some pretty bad examples of how poorly women were treated as a gender and how little "true" power they had.

Also, if you need any examples of why feminism is good, look up Footbinding, that shit is horrible.

 

[Lord Krunk]

The most sexist people I know just happen to be female.

Anyway, in an age where both men and women are obtaining equal rights, I believe it should stay equal. Therefore, chivalry should die as a result, and women will truly be treated equally.

And as for the door, I'd just hold it open anyway. If she does get annoyed at my actions, I'll just walk off and ignore her. Simple as that.

 

[Dramatic Flare]

Also, if you need any examples of why feminism is good, look up Footbinding, that shit is horrible.

So, what you're saying here, is that we need to move the feminists to China, where Footbinding actually happens, and not leave them where they are, you know, where that sort of thing is a crime.

 

[PedroSteckecilo]

Also, if you need any examples of why feminism is good, look up Footbinding, that shit is horrible.

So, what you're saying here, is that we need to move the feminists to China, where Footbinding actually happens, and not leave them where they are, you know, where that sort of thing is a crime.

Footbinding is an example of how bad a male dominated society can get and why we can not allow society to revert. It's forced mutilation on account of a sexual perversion. And footbinding isn't practiced openly in China anymore, however plenty of female children are abandoned there as Males are considered more important as they are considered carriers of the family legacy. The same problem occurs in India.

 

[PedroSteckecilo]

Sorry if that seemed antagonistic Cheeze, that Foot Binding bit wasn't directed at you in particular. And again yes you're right about the Medieval Era lawmaking, not my specialty unfortunately so there are gaps, I do religions and social trends that stem from them.