Chivalry is dead. And wymen/womyn killed it.

[Bulletinmybrain]

I'm glad you decided to not actually address my point. Then again, it should be common knowledge by now that deriding Obama for his lack of experience is just a pisspoor argument for just about anything.

Again what experience? Being a lawyer? Last time I checked the president did not make laws nor did he examine them.

You guys realize that this has nothing to do with the thread at hand? Start some other thread if you want to argue about Barack Obama's qualifications.

You are so late to the party its almost funny.

 

[Eilanis]

I can identify with the OP. One of my ex-girlfriend's best friends had the same thing. Holding the door for someone is courteous. Though certainly not something major, it is a form of self-sacrifice, doing something for someone else. Part of the equality movement for women included being self-sufficient, which is seen to be a characteristically male trait, but it has detracted from a sense of community (which we've lost for the most part).

As far as I'm concerned, kill 'em with kindness. Keep doing it, keep pissing them off, keeping repeating "I'm not doing because I think you can't, but because I can and want to." If that line of logic doesn't get through, you're a smarter and better person because of it. Though I try to be chivalric, I can just tell people that I got used to grabbing the door after hosting for a restaurant for a year and a half.

 

[Hunde Des Krieg]

I'm glad you decided to not actually address my point. Then again, it should be common knowledge by now that deriding Obama for his lack of experience is just a pisspoor argument for just about anything.

Again what experience? Being a lawyer? Last time I checked the president did not make laws nor did he examine them.

You guys realize that this has nothing to do with the thread at hand? Start some other thread if you want to argue about Barack Obama's qualifications.

You are so late to the party its almost funny.

How am I late to the party? get over yourself, Your conversation has nothing to do with the current topic so fuck off and start a different thread, or find an old one I don't care

 

[TheIceface]

I'm equally courteous to men and women, unless of course that woman is attractive, then I'll go so far as to be civil.

 

[PedroSteckecilo]

Sorry if that seemed antagonistic Cheeze, that Foot Binding bit wasn't directed at you in particular. And again yes you're right about the Medieval Era lawmaking, not my specialty unfortunately so there are gaps, I do religions and social trends that stem from them.

No worries--I brought up the net hunting thing specifically because so much chauvinism is based on the flawed idea that the division of labor with men doing the 'active' and 'dangerous' things is natural.

Although I never could figure out why gathering wasn't considered dangerous. When you go to hunt, you lay in wait in an ambush spot, aware of your surroundings. When you gather, you're out in the open looking down at the ground with all kinds of lions and tigers prowling around.

It's true, but I'm guessing the folk who weren't aware whilest they gathered weren't around long.

 

[Ameatypie]

It's not that you did something spectacularly kind, it's that you had basic courtesy? In that case I should be thanked daily for not murdering anyone.

I am so going to write a Sci-fi story where that happens now.

Lol send me the final draft

 

[Dramatic Flare]

Also, if you need any examples of why feminism is good, look up Footbinding, that shit is horrible.

So, what you're saying here, is that we need to move the feminists to China, where Footbinding actually happens, and not leave them where they are, you know, where that sort of thing is a crime.

Footbinding is an example of how bad a male dominated society can get and why we can not allow society to revert. It's forced mutilation on account of a sexual perversion. And footbinding isn't practiced openly in China anymore, however plenty of female children are abandoned there as Males are considered more important as they are considered carriers of the family legacy. The same problem occurs in India.

I've had the discussion of what women would do if they were the out and out leaders of society, with the women who wanted that power, and frankly I don't think it's any better of an alternative. I'll agree that footbinding is wrong, but you can't then justify militant, extremist feminism for a problem that exists in a completely different society.
I'm not arguing that we need to go back to the way things were before. I don't consider that any more of a step forward than slavery, but you can't use evidence of what another society does and apply it to ours.
Unless you want to drop into discussions of the matriarchal societies where the king was killed every year.

 

[InifniteWit]

I hold the door for anyone. And the day some twat goes off on me for holding the door is the day she gets yelled down by someone in public for being rude to someone who was just being polite.

 

[samsprinkle]

Chivalry died long ago, but I'll still continue to do it...

 

[jasoncyrus]

Hmm since we seem to be getting back on track with the topic....

I dont think chivalry is dead per say. Merely people chose to make it selectively dead. Example: if a femanist bitches at me for holding a door (example in the first post) I will gladly let it go and watch the strong spring slab of hurt ***** slap her so hard her eyes pop out the back of her skull...I will then blink and then probably have a good giggle about it as she lays screaming in the street blood pouring from her shattered facial bones as people stare strangely at me wonderng why I'm such an evil fuck.

However if a nice person (man, women or inbetween) turns up a'll gladly hold the door open for them smile politely and get on with my day feeling a bit better for it.

Either that or I stick by one creed if i'm lazy "I do no discriminate between age, sex, creed or race...I hate everyone equally."

Or something like that. I should go play more fable to maim people....since fable 2 isnt on pc yet and i positively hate the xbox controllers...

 

[meatloaf231]

So, moral of the story: If a woman gets up in your face because you are being polite, slap that *****, HARD! Otherwise, most people appreciate the kindness, and will thank you for it.

I hold the door for anyone. And the day some twat goes off on me for holding the door is the day she gets yelled down by someone in public for being rude to someone who was just being polite.

I dont think chivalry is dead per say. Merely people chose to make it selectively dead. Example: if a femanist bitches at me for holding a door

Yes, chivalry is alive and well...

I think this was the OP's point.

 

[reaper_2k9]

I don't think its dead I think it has morphed into common courtesy, when I'm at school/work (since I work at my school) and I see someone with an arm load of books I open the door for them, not because of their sex but because its a pain trying to juggle an armload of stuff and open a door.

 

[HyruleanHyroe]

Yes, chivalry is alive and well...

AHAHAHA! I see your point, though I feel only the second example really makes any transgression. After all, you can't very well call a rude woman a dick, now can you? Or wait, would that also be empowering? Would a woman feel equal if a man she was chewing out for saying 'ladies first' hauled off and mashed her in the face, as he might do to another man? The simple fact is that women and men are different. Maybe not in every way some stereotypes portray, and of course it varies from individual to individual, but jeez, there's a reason that there is a separate name for each of the sexes. 'Wymen' need to learn to deal with polite, friendly, and BENEFICIAL behavior.

 

[Lord Krunk]

So, moral of the story: If a woman gets up in your face because you are being polite, slap that *****, HARD! Otherwise, most people appreciate the kindness, and will thank you for it.

I hold the door for anyone. And the day some twat goes off on me for holding the door is the day she gets yelled down by someone in public for being rude to someone who was just being polite.

I dont think chivalry is dead per say. Merely people chose to make it selectively dead. Example: if a femanist bitches at me for holding a door

Yes, chivalry is alive and well...

I think this was the OP's point.

"Do to others as you want done to yourself."

Cheeze_Pavillion, you do realise that if you were to do as mentioned in the three examples, it appears as if you want to be respected and adored in return. The world doesn't act that way, I'm sorry to say.

Don't throw petrol onto a fire.