Chivalry is dead. And wymen/womyn killed it.

[Alleged_Alec]

It might just be me, but aren't the ideas of chivalry a bit dated? I mean, I can be nice without having to look at some old rules. And stop generalizing feminists. Just a very small group has that anti-men attitude some of you seem to be blabbering about.

Really, stop whining about how someone gave you shit for holding a door open.

 

[intergral]

Wow, some gals are crazy! :^)

I've told people if they looked like they were in a hurry that they didn't need to hold the door for me, but I've never flat out yelled at somebody for going out of their way to help me. :^/

Some ladies just don't understand that there is a difference between chivalry and common courtesy!

 

[Waverer]

Not sure where everyone here is from, but around here it's commonplace to hold to door for whoever is behind you! People are pretty polite here I guess if that kind of thing is an issue of chivalry. Sucks you had to get yelled at about something like that...pretty ridiculous if you ask me!

 

[Easykill]

Chivalry is like a combination of politeness and manliness. Both of which I think the world would be better off without. What's so great about it that you mourn it's loss?

 

[mshcherbatskaya]

I assume this is the holding-the-door argument. I want anyone at all who as ever, really, honestly had a woman get up in their face just because they held the door open, to tell me about it, because no feminist I have ever known, and I've known lots of them, has ever done this. And I mean, I want to know if this happened to you, not your friend or someone you heard about, because that's how every urban legend starts, right? "I had this friend who..." And this tale of the door-raging feminist is so common and yet so unsubstantiated as to approach the status of urban legend.

http://www.illwillpress.com/door22.html

I believe the cartoon squirrel ruins your point.
I realize that I am posting someone else's work about it but it's that person raging about what happened to himself. I've never had it happen because the only situation in which I can actually ever hold the door for someone is at my job, and at my job I hardly go through any doors. I don't go out a lot to public places.

That's a cartoon squirrel raging over an experience he has clearly never had, because he is a cartoon squirrel. You are assuming that this is autobiographical on the author's part, but as a big fan of Foamy the Squirrel myself, he's been known to rant about all sorts of things about which I doubt the author has actual personal experience. That's why I asked people for their own actual experiences. If you would like to email the author and ask him if he's ever had a woman chew him out for holding the door open, I would be very interested in reading the answer.

 

[mshcherbatskaya]

Wow, some gals are crazy! :^)

I've told people if they looked like they were in a hurry that they didn't need to hold the door for me, but I've never flat out yelled at somebody for going out of their way to help me. :^/

I have strong doubts as to whether any woman has. I ask again and again, and no one has ever held up a hand and said they personally witnessed or experienced it themselves.

 

[Alex_P]

That's why I asked people for their own actual experiences.

Here's one data point for you:

I went to a college where pretty much everyone identified as a feminist(*) and quite a few people identified as queer.

I've seen self-declared feminists say a bunch of really stupid things -- unsurprising, given that college kids say ridiculously dumb stuff all the time (I guess it's an almost unavoidable part of the experience of figuring out a new idea). I have never seen anyone actually snap at anyone else for something related to doors or similar elements of "common courtesy" in general.

-- Alex
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* - Side note: I never bothered to call myself a feminist while on campus because people kept making stupid "Well if you're a feminist you must support me in thinking like this..." statements all the time.

 

[Cahlee]

I LOVE it when my boyfriend does those kindof things for me. It just shows that he cares. It no different to when I make him a sandwich if I'm in the kitchen or anything. I dont think it's restricted to genders exactly. Well not in my case. I hold the door open for my boyfriend, or anyone really. It's just being polite!

 

[zombiez]

Feminists ruined America. True Story.

 

[HyruleanHyroe]

Chivalry is like a combination of politeness and manliness. Both of which I think the world would be better off without. What's so great about it that you mourn it's loss?

Wait, what? I can understand an objection to 'manliness,' even if I disagree. But why, oh why, pray tell, do you think the world would be a *BETTER* place minus people being nice to each other?

 

[meatloaf231]

Being polite for the wrong reasons is far worse than being rude for the right reasons.

Yes, I'd say this pretty much sums it up, despite the breadth of the statement. Doing something for the right reasons is generally better than doing something for the wrong reasons.

However, you cannot state that everyone is being polite because they are misogynistic. It's just not true.

 

[hypothetical fact]

Wow, some gals are crazy! :^)

I've told people if they looked like they were in a hurry that they didn't need to hold the door for me, but I've never flat out yelled at somebody for going out of their way to help me. :^/

I have strong doubts as to whether any woman has. I ask again and again, and no one has ever held up a hand and said they personally witnessed or experienced it themselves.

It happened to me. Only I smacked her in the face wih the door when she did it and ran off.
But of course I only post this because you are so vehement in your belief that a femenist couldn't possibly do this to someone; let alone that you have already regulated your responses to the few members of this forum.

 

[meatloaf231]

Oh, I wouldn't say that at all. I'm speaking more about the concepts and motives behind chivalry.

Which is the part I agree with. However, in the past you've come off throwing vast generalizations around, and I was just making sure I interpreted you correctly.

 

[leugim789]

jesus people calm down your attacking the poor guy when hes trying to make a point, just defeat/defend his point and move on. i for one think that women in general don't act like that and most will say thank you, she was probably just batshit bonkers, and probably had a horrible day, and decided to take it out on the nearest nerd-dude, do what that guy a few months back in a thread did and punch her in the face (just kidding i will a don vito style fit if anybody calls me out on this, but a cookie to whoever remembers that hilarious story)

 

[hypothetical fact]

jesus people calm down your attacking the poor guy when hes trying to make a point, just defeat/defend his point and move on. i for one think that women in general don't act like that and most will say thank you, she was probably just batshit bonkers, and probably had a horrible day, and decided to take it out on the nearest nerd-dude, do what that guy a few months back in a thread did and punch her in the face (just kidding i will a don vito style fit if anybody calls me out on this, but a cookie to whoever remembers that hilarious story)

What? From what I've read this thread is focusing its rage on femenists. What thread are you reading?

 

[Datalord]

Actually, all the wymen i know ( and there are a suprising amount where i live) seem to think that women should be paid more, have to work less, and be give greater political rights than men.
They always complain how they didn't get the promotion because the guy who worked twice efficiently as them was male. Most wymen are more sexist than they believe men to be.

Ye, Chivalry is dead, but not because of the wymen, Chivalry was based on the concept of special treatment and defense for those who couldn't defend themselves, like women, children, and priests (Medeval Catholic Europe). When women gained the same rights as men, chivalry slowly died off

 

[mshcherbatskaya]

Wow, some gals are crazy! :^)

I've told people if they looked like they were in a hurry that they didn't need to hold the door for me, but I've never flat out yelled at somebody for going out of their way to help me. :^/

I have strong doubts as to whether any woman has. I ask again and again, and no one has ever held up a hand and said they personally witnessed or experienced it themselves.

It happened to me. Only I smacked her in the face wih the door when she did it and ran off.
But of course I only post this because you are so vehement in your belief that a femenist couldn't possibly do this to someone; let alone that you have already regulated your responses to the few members of this forum.

I very clearly said I had strong doubts that it had, not that it couldn't possibly happen. I'm curious as to what she said to you that warranted smacking her in the face. Again, notice that I am not calling your experience into question, I'm asking what she said when she chewed you out because I'm trying to figure out the psychology of the sort of woman who would do that. Also, I have no idea what you mean by 'regulating my responses.'