Chris Ryan thinks us nerds would make good soldiers...

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Therumancer

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I've made my opinion on The Middle East quite apparent. For those derailing this thread, you might want to go check that out for my thoughts since that seems to be more along the kind of discussion your looking for.

As far as the actual subject goes, the problem with Nerds as soldiers, even controlling remote combat units, is that the first thing a Soldier needs above and beyond anything is disapline and to be able to follow orders unquestioningly. Nerds generally don't have that kind of mentality, and if it was drilled into your uber-gamer via Boot Camp I think they would lose a lot of the talent that would have made them useful to begin with.

There has been a lot of criticism over the years about the military and how it compartmentalizes information. The current "hip" thing is to present it, and the entire military mentality as being a bad thing (from the left wing mostly), sadly that isn't the case. A lot of people today read a lot of stuff criticizing the military system but not much in the way of writings by guys like Robert Heinlan that do a good job of explaining it. The BOOK "Starship Troopers" (which is nothing like the movie) can change your entire perception on how the military operates.

At any rate, I think operating drones won't be done by nerds, but probably by guys selected on a similar criteria to pilots and the like (good reaction time, reflexs, and hand-eye coordination).


The entire discussion about The Middle East is kind of pointless. In the end a war comes down to us against them. Whether the enemy is Muslims, an African Warlord, Russians, Chinese, South and Central American factions, Russia, Eastern European, or some kind of whacked American seperatist movement (The South shall rise again!!!!), the idea is to make the other guys die. Part of being a soldier is being able to make those guys die without asking why, or playing 20 questions. A chilling as "I was just following orders" sounds due to liberal connotations, there can also be positive spins placed on that entire attitude as well (again, read some Heinlan).

The problem I see with drone fighting though is that our morality is likely to get in the way. No machine is going to operate perfectly all the time, a few drones crash into buildings, misfire, or whatever else and cause some collateral damage even in a war zone and at least in the US the whining is likely to be unreal. One of our biggest problems is that we have the most advanced fighting force to ever exist, but we won't use our technology for moral reasons and go in to fight people rifle to rifle. Drones are liable to be just another toy we develop but then won't use because of baaawing. Neat idea, and I'd like to see it developed and used, but unless our goverment ever declares Martial Law and invokes war powers again I doubt it will see much deployment... a few basic runs, some accidents (especially seeing as it will be new) and then we'll leave it gathering dust somewhere.
 

Wintermute_

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they day they develop a combat drone that can be controlled via XBox controller is the day that that half the collective population of Xbox Live is whisked away to control the inevitable Super War that was to follow.

Can you imagine if they did have some kind of combat android that could be controlled like your average FPS? Like that movie "Gamer"? Wars would be fought through XBox and I'd totally sign up to own the enemy and his android.
 

ShadowsofHope

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HG131 said:
Everyone, barring a very few people, deserves death.
That, is where we fundamentally disagree. No one deserves death without due negative action beforehand. Not before such an action.
 

Legendsmith

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Krythe said:
99.98% of everyone who'd consider themselves "gamers" look exactly like this guy.
That is the most enraging comment I've seen on he escapist. Most of my friends are "gamers" (and I use the term reluctantly), none of them look anything like that. I've only seen one fat "gamer" guy.
 

Tdc2182

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Indeed, my brother works with them on missions.

I don't consider myself especially gifted in knowledge and videogamesmenship as most of you, but you guys really are the most deadliest weapon out there.

The nerd in a armchair is more scary than a ripped guy in hotpants.
 

Mr.Gompers

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If I were to join the military, that would probably the only job available due to some medical complications.
 

Hashime

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I would iff I was guaranteed to not ever get shot at in person. That is not get deployed to the front lines.
 

Omikron009

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I'm pretty sure drone pilots suffer from more psychological disorders than any other people in the military. Something to do with the disconnect that comes from fighting a war then coming home for dinner the same night. I don't know if I'd want to do that.
 

BenzSmoke

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Krythe said:
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99.98% of everyone who'd consider themselves "gamers" look exactly like this guy.

They remaining .02% are college kids on dozens of anti-psychotic medications who have plenty of violent potential, but are sadly lacking in the "teamwork" thing militaries have kinda been based around since the dawn of history.

But at the same time, I wanna text someone "im in ur base killin ur d00dz" IRL at least once, so what the hell - go for it.
That's a bit of an uninformed guess. I'm only 5 pounds over-weight, I'm a gamer, and I have a strong belief in teamwork. Also, 43% of gamers are female. Don't base your assumptions off of retarded sausage fests like CoD and Halo. They're only a little bit of the gaming community.
 

Vern

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Judging by the amount of times I failed that AC-130 mission in Call of Duty due to friendly fire, they may want to rethink this. On a standard definition TV, it's kind of hard to tell the difference between a guy with a flashing strobe and an M-4 and a guy with an AK-47 or an RPG-7. Plus it's just fun to fire a 40mm grenade launcher without discretion.
 

Lem0nade Inlay

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ShadowsofHope said:
No, I still don't find killing Muslims with a remote drone in Afghanistan from an armchair to be any bit "entertaining", thank you.
Seconded.

I mean, I'm all for shooting "bad guys" in a video game.

But actually knowing that I killed, or even helped to kill another human being, I don't think I could live with myself.
 

katsumoto03

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Killing people for real is nothing like in video games. All I can say is that I'd sooner die than use my 'talents' for evil.
 

shadow741

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ShadowsofHope said:
No, I still don't find killing Muslims with a remote drone in Afghanistan from an armchair to be any bit "entertaining", thank you.
Orly? OT: I want now. NAO!!!
 

Zirat

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Just because you can waggle a joystick does not a potentialy great pilot make.

Perhaps some of us, but no way in hell can a majority of gamers be able to do something like this.
 

Aurora219

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Snork Maiden said:
nunqual said:
Well, except for griefers of course
Multiple friendly fire incidents followed by juvenile laughing? "Why are these drones hitting our tanks!?"
No, that's how they do it in the American Army.

They use drones in case they accidentally collide with their own helicopters.

Sigh.. I wish I was joking.