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In a crowded room full of helpful people, asking the time will produce about five to six different answers. Granted, they'll all be within the span of about five to six minutes from one-another, but they'll still be different.

Why? Probably because most time is fairly nebulous. It's subject to the wielder. Barring time zones, it is about when I'm posting this. Completely indifferent of hour differences, my minute time might be slightly, or even fairly different from yours, or the poster after yours. The reason is that everyone follows more or less the same, but not exact, clock. I've only ever matched times with someone once, and that is because our computers used exactly the same website to keep the time for us.

Other than that, I've yet to be on-the-second with another person. Most times, I'm lucky if I'm within a minute.

Though I digress. Despite this being a very obvious thing, I've been getting chastised for time a lot lately. It's not even pertinent time, like 15+ minutes. It's stuff like two to three minutes. More to the point, I was nearly turned around at the door for a quiz in a major class. To really give a scope to this, this quiz counted for 20% of the total grade. Which meant that if I missed it, I'd have exactly a 80 (Barely a B) if I did absolutely perfectly on every other part of the class (which is approaching impossible given my inability to make 100s on every exam).

After finally being admitted, I sat down, huffed a breath, and looked at my watch. 9:31:02. After getting about fourty seconds of lecture. Which meant I showed up at 9:30:42, or fourty-two seconds "late".

Maybe I'm chronologically inconsiderate, but I think that synchronizing my watch to the Federal Government's Official time clock [http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?Central/d/-6/java] is fairly asinine. Especially considering the difference between my personal watch's time (which was synced to my old high school's bell system) and the government's clock is a shocking thirty-nine-point-five seconds.

That's right, I got chastised, and had to sign the roster of tardy students for a difference of thirty-nine seconds.

Chonillogical doesn't seem to grasp the concept of relative time. What may be to me could be just a minute ahead, or two behind, you. Though it matters very little in the long run, because those paltry few minutes matter very little in the long run.

So, I'd have to wonder where everyone stands on this. Is it logical to expect to-the-minute preciseness of everyone's timepiece and promptness, or can a little bit of leeway be given one way or the other in respect to the fact that time is more or less relative?
 

Shadow Law

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Ok I have to be honest here, I got halfway through the post and my head melted down. Could you put this in layman's term (stupid person terms) about what you are writing about time?
 

Beffudled Sheep

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No it does not seem logical to me. Then again I've been awake for twenty-two hours so far.
 

NeutralDrow

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So...you were slightly late to an important test, got chewed out for it (but not turned away, thankfully), and formulated an unnecessarily philosophical gripe about it?
 

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Shadow Law said:
Ok I have to be honest here, I got halfway through the post and my head melted down. Could you put this in lament's term (stupid person terms) about what you are writing about time?
layman's terms*

Derives from the Middle Ages and requiring clergy to dumb down the more "technical" aspects of the bible. Eventually evolved to include explaining something technical so that "normal" people can understand it.


And basically what he's saying is that time is relative and people shouldn't be punished for running a minute or two late to something due to the lack of worldwide clock synchronicity.
 

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Agayek said:
Shadow Law said:
Ok I have to be honest here, I got halfway through the post and my head melted down. Could you put this in lament's term (stupid person terms) about what you are writing about time?
layman's terms*

Derives from the Middle Ages and requiring clergy to dumb down the more "technical" aspects of the bible.


And basically what he's saying is that time is relative and people shouldn't be punished for running a minute or two late to something due to the lack of worldwide clock synchronicity.
That's also how I read it.

I'll be blunt, since I am a Director at work -

I have no gripe with you being a minute or two late to work or meetings. I do have a gripe when it moves to the five or ten minute range if there isn't an adequate excuse (like my car broke down or my train was late). In recent society across the global, there is this new saying:

"To be on-time is late. To be early is on-time."

Because global society is so concerned about appearances, the inability to appear to be on-time over a long stretch makes you look like you have no organizational skills. Either you are lazy, or don't care enough to try and be on-time by leaving earlier. We're willing to overlook it when it doesn't happen constantly.

Now, in the case of collegiate testing or certifications, it's a display of your dedication to the trade/subject. If you can't be on time for a test because you left your house two minutes late and ended up being ten minutes late to the test, then I feel no sympathy for you. You should have left the house a half-hour earlier than normal and then sat around for a few minutes waiting. Tests are usually important events that require your attention and full cooperation. It's training you for your job.

Same goes for important client business meetings at my company. Show up late, you're fired. No ifs, ands or buts. My time and my client's time are important. If you don't respect that and come in early, then you can go find a job elsewhere.
 

Shadow Law

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Well, time is just a way to keep things in order. In old times we have to remember that there were just two times. sunrise and bed time.
 

CIA

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As someone who is late to everything, yes it is rather asinine. Many people manage to be exactly on time. It is a phenomenon I will never understand.

I like the title by the way.
 

Maze1125

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Seems to me that you don't properly understand the concept you're going on about either.

Yes, you could be up of five minutes out with any other person. Hence, if you think you're on time for a test, the examiner might thing you're up to five minutes late. So if you want to avoid the possibility of being considered late, you should turn up at least 5 minutes early.
 

Nimbus

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This is why I make a point of showing up 5-to-15 minutes early for everything.
 

ChickDangerous

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It's ridiculous to expect everyone to be completely synchronous with everybody else. I don't even consider people to be late until at least 10 minutes have passed by my watch since I know not everyone has exactly the same time as me.

Chastising someone for a 39 second delay however seems to be just a tad excessive.
 

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ChickDangerous said:
It's ridiculous to expect everyone to be completely synchronous with everybody else. I don't even consider people to be late until at least 10 minutes have passed by my watch since I know not everyone has exactly the same time as me.

Chastising someone for a 39 second delay however seems to be just a tad excessive.
Agreed, but if my main presentation person is late by 5 minutes, my client usually leaves. Which means losing a client. So they have 2 or 3 minutes at best.
 

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McClaud said:
ChickDangerous said:
It's ridiculous to expect everyone to be completely synchronous with everybody else. I don't even consider people to be late until at least 10 minutes have passed by my watch since I know not everyone has exactly the same time as me.

Chastising someone for a 39 second delay however seems to be just a tad excessive.
Agreed, but if my main presentation person is late by 5 minutes, my client usually leaves. Which means losing a client. So they have 2 or 3 minutes at best.
In a professional environment, I wouldn't disagree with you. It's most discourteous to be late for something as important as a presentation or client appointment. But outside of work, I tend to allow people a little more leeway.
 

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ChickDangerous said:
McClaud said:
ChickDangerous said:
It's ridiculous to expect everyone to be completely synchronous with everybody else. I don't even consider people to be late until at least 10 minutes have passed by my watch since I know not everyone has exactly the same time as me.

Chastising someone for a 39 second delay however seems to be just a tad excessive.
Agreed, but if my main presentation person is late by 5 minutes, my client usually leaves. Which means losing a client. So they have 2 or 3 minutes at best.
In a professional environment, I wouldn't disagree with you. It's most discourteous to be late for something as important as a presentation or client appointment. But outside of work, I tend to allow people a little more leeway.
Yeah, I have no problems outside of work. Normally, I wouldn't have problems if I were teaching a class with mere seconds of lateness. I mean, we don't measure anything by seconds here in the real world in terms of lateness (except computer instalations).

Not letting you in for being 49 seconds late for a test? Yes, that's bullshit. We don't normally think about seconds in the real world. I'd give the test giver an earful.

5 minutes late for a test? That's just training you to be a good employee. So you have to start showing up early.
 

Altar

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Late is late, whether it's 30 seconds or 30mins... I mean sure you arrived about 40secs late and got 'chastised' for it, but let's just say you didn't get err in trouble for being late, but what about if another person arrived 20secs later then you... I mean they were only 20secs later then you... so why should they get in trouble... then anther person arrives a little later and so forth... Where do you draw the line?

You could say 5mins at the most but that would go back to the whole I'm only 30secs over that limit so why should I be in trouble type of thing... It's really no different to the original dead line... Anyways... kudos if you could understand that...
 

Bored Tomatoe

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Time is an illusion, it has no meaning and is merely an invention of man to try and control the uncontrollable.
 

Captain Blackout

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Bored Tomatoe said:
Time is an illusion, it has no meaning and is merely an invention of man to try and control the uncontrollable.
If this is true, then why is time manipulatable by physical effects? For example, gravity and speed both affect time.