Classic film moments ruined by logic

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hebdomad

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Lord of the rings...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yqVD0swvWU&feature=channel_page
I mean come on??!?
 

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carnkhan4 said:
matrix3509 said:
Seems like I'm the only person in the universe who thought Serenity was average at best. Everyone else seems to think it was God's gift to sci-fi.
'fraid so, I liked it even though they sometimes went overboard with the Western element. FOX did make a martyr of that show though...

Incidentally in firefly why would a bar have holographic windows? surely its cheaper to have normal windows and replace them every time someone gets inevitably thrown through them...
Yeah that's because Firefly was God's gift. Serenity was Joss' gift to fans of firefly.

Maybe. Then again, you have to be able to superheat sand to produce glass. You're assuming the dirt and soil on that planet has the same qualities as sand did on earth. If it doesn't then you'd have to import it. That might get pricey.

Also, overdo the western element? That was the whole show. The entire idea was a story that would've worked as a western, only told as a sci fi instead. The Reavers = Apache, Alliance is the Union, Browncoats are (were) the Confederates... you know, minus the whole slavery thing. Frontier towns, just like the western boom towns of the gold rush. You can't overdo something if it's the whole point of the story.
 

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I'm pretty sure that the entire point of Wanted is that it's absolutely (but very entertainingly) ridiculous. Which makes it the very antithesis of the topic of this thread, given that it's an entire film made worthwhile by its sheer, willful ridiculousness instead of a moment ruined by an often overlooked (by the general population, as opposed to us observant/obsessive folk) plot hole or physical impossibility. And, of course, Wanted's not really a classic, but neither are most of the films mentioned here.

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Falseprophet said:
... Spiderman II is a good example; there are so many stupid things in that movie, like performing an experiment to create a minature star for the first time in a Manhattan apartment building in front of dozens of reporters with little protective gear instead of in a controlled lab environment far away from population centres...
The first nuclear fission experiment in the United States [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fission#cite_ref-10] was conducted in a building at Columbia University, which just so happens to be in the middle of Manhattan. And the first artificial, self-sustaining nuclear reaction [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Pile-1] (a basic nuclear reactor, more or less), was at the University of Chicago, not far from downtown.

Of course, we'd hope scientists today would be a little more cautious; in fact, given the huge teams of scientists working on such projects these days, the general fear of the dangers of nuclear energy, and the amount of government regulation in this area, I'd say that if an experimental fusion reactor goes disastrously wrong, it'd be much more likely the result of some key detail lost in the bureaucracy than a byproduct of the sort of overconfidence that was Dr. Octavius's downfall.

And as I've already strayed multiple kilometers from the original topic, I feel obliged to note my surprise that "Octavius's" is accepted by Firefox's spell checker.
 

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In the Dark Knight when 'The Joker' plans to get caught, then escape from the police. And then later on in the film say that he doesn't plan things...
 

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jthm said:
Damien the Pigeon said:
carnkhan4 said:
Damien the Pigeon said:
I just thought of one! It's in the Wizard of Oz. Dorothy lives in Kansas. I'm assuming that she's been in at least one forest in her life. And yet, when she gets to the one in Oz, her first thought is "there's probably lions, tigers, and bears in here!" That's an odd conclusion to arrive at.
To be fair she does encounter a Lion later on, so it's not like the fear wasn't justified...
I guess that's true, but I'm going to chalk that up to pure luck. I think it was one of those "I totally meant to do that" moments, like when I play pool and make a crazy-awesome shot despite the fact that I'm terrible at pool.
Dude, have you ever been to Kansas? The entire state is huge damn field. Sometimes there's a small town, but no. It is not unreasonable to assume that Dorothy has no familiarity with a forest.
I suppose you're right. It's still lucky for her, though. I mean, the only animal she lists that doesn't actually live in a forest regardless of its location in the world is the lion, and that's the one she ran into. I've never been to a jungle, so that's kind of like me going to one and saying, "Golly gee! I sure hope that there are no gorillas, snakes, or pterodactyls that totally come out of nowhere and own me!" And wouldn't you know it, the pterodactyl is the only thing I see. I guess trying to argue logic in the Wizard of Oz is kind of a lost cause, though.

"And then what happened, Grandpa?"
"Well, the scarecrow came to life and started dancing! But then the flying monkeys came and carried them all away. Luckily for them, though, the witch touched water for the first time ever and....and...zzZzzz...ZzzZz..."
"...Grandpa?"
 

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Vim-Hogar said:
I'm pretty sure that the entire point of Wanted is that it's absolutely (but very entertainingly) ridiculous. Which makes it the very antithesis of the topic of this thread, given that it's an entire film made worthwhile by its sheer, willful ridiculousness instead of a moment ruined by an often overlooked (by the general population, as opposed to us observant/obsessive folk) plot hole or physical impossibility. And, of course, Wanted's not really a classic, but neither are most of the films mentioned here.

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Falseprophet said:
... Spiderman II is a good example; there are so many stupid things in that movie, like performing an experiment to create a minature star for the first time in a Manhattan apartment building in front of dozens of reporters with little protective gear instead of in a controlled lab environment far away from population centres...
The first nuclear fission experiment in the United States [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fission#cite_ref-10] was conducted in a building at Columbia University, which just so happens to be in the middle of Manhattan. And the first artificial, self-sustaining nuclear reaction [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Pile-1] (a basic nuclear reactor, more or less), was at the University of Chicago, not far from downtown.

Of course, we'd hope scientists today would be a little more cautious; in fact, given the huge teams of scientists working on such projects these days, the general fear of the dangers of nuclear energy, and the amount of government regulation in this area, I'd say that if an experimental fusion reactor goes disastrously wrong, it'd be much more likely the result of some key detail lost in the bureaucracy than a byproduct of the sort of overconfidence that was Dr. Octavius's downfall.

And as I've already strayed multiple kilometers from the original topic, I feel obliged to note my surprise that "Octavius's" is accepted by Firefox's spell checker.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywell

It looks like Doc Oc's dream might come true. In a manner of speaking. The polywell isn't a "star" per se, but its close enough in my book. The U.S. Navy is actually seriously researching it as a form of power. These are exciting times.
 

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Ah! I forgot to mention 'Eagle Eye' but I think moviebob had that one covered pretty well with an account of how movie-makers think hackers have god like powers...
 

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This isn't really Logic defying but in "The Spirit" a movie that is told in some kind of mid 50's detective style. There is a scene when the doctor and her dad the police chief are talking in and the of course the movie is black and white like Sin City but right in the middle of the damn screen BAM! bright blue bottle of Aquafina on the table! Ruined it...
The Spirit isn't black and white. Yes there are a lot of effects but it's in no way black and white.

Still sadly only a moderate movie though.
 

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The ending of Crank, just in case, you haven't seen it and want to.
As he is plummeting to his death, and he phones his girlfriend from hundreds of metres up in the sky, don't think he would get signal.
 

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There's far too many to list here, but one film (well, series) you should be able to ruin with logic but can't because it's so fucking awesome is the original Indiana Jones trilogy.

As as for the new one, the only reason it's worth talking about for is to ruin it with logic.
 

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Any and all superhero based movies make me want to flip some serious shit.
Yeah yeah, it's supposed to be fiction, but what the hell! Why do people love superhero movies??
 

Lazy Lemon

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TaborMallory said:
Any and all superhero based movies make me want to flip some serious shit.
Yeah yeah, it's supposed to be fiction, but what the hell! Why do people love superhero movies??
I'm Jesus and I approve of this message.
 

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Lazy Lemon said:
TaborMallory said:
Any and all superhero based movies make me want to flip some serious shit.
Yeah yeah, it's supposed to be fiction, but what the hell! Why do people love superhero movies??
I'm Jesus and I approve of this message.
Amen.
 

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Not a classic movie but in Hellboy 2
The Princess pretty much has to kill herself cause it's the only way to stop the war her brother is going to start regardless. (Both the sister and brother fell the others' pain) WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T SHE JUST KILL HERSELF TO BEGIN WITH SO I WOULDN'T HAVE TO WASTE MY TEN DOLLARS THAT I COULDN'T GET BACK?
 

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ThePoodonkis said:
In Pearl Harbor (Not a classic movie, but still)
While the USS Oklahoma was capsizing, one of the sailors on deck yelled "I can't swim!".
Why on earth would you join the Navy if you can't swim, you ninny?
cough cough draft cough cough
 

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CarrionRoc said:
Not a classic movie but in Hellboy 2
The Princess pretty much has to kill herself cause it's the only way to stop the war her brother is going to start regardless. (Both the sister and brother fell the others' pain) WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T SHE JUST KILL HERSELF TO BEGIN WITH SO I WOULDN'T HAVE TO WASTE MY TEN DOLLARS THAT I COULDN'T GET BACK?
Cause she didn't want to die and she didn't want to hurt her brother? That was my reasoning...plus she liked Abe.
 

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LoTR. You know how they had those giant eagles? why didn't they just fly to mount doom on the eagles? i realize the movies about the journey, but...there's a hloe in the story.

And in back to the future. becuase the band would know all of Johnny B. Goode becuase Marty tells them, "keep up with me."
 

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Bunnymarn said:
In the Dark Knight when 'The Joker' plans to get caught, then escape from the police. And then later on in the film say that he doesn't plan things...
Why did you put a statement about the Joker in a thread about logic?

FAIL.
 

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Vanguard1219 said:
PirateKing said:
Not a movie, but something I was wondering about. In Death Note, after the investigators learned that Kira used the Death Note to kill his victims, no one ever suggested a handwriting analysis. Not even L!
I assume Light destroyed all the pages he had written on to avoid this. I just think it's weird no one ever brought this up.
Wow, that's a pretty good point. In hindsight now that you've said that it seems painfully obvious. How did no one in the entire series think of that, L included? He's suppose to be the genius and that didn't seem to occur to him.

God, nothing makes sense anymore...
Apart from this and the notebooks that kill people, I think Death Note is pretty flawless in terms of logic.
Also, to jump to L's defense, they were assuming that Kira could kill psychically up to that point. Plus, L died shortly after they got the Death Note.
I would've liked Matsuda to jump up and say, "Why not do a handwriting analysis?"
Just to be immediately shot down by Aizawa and Hide.