Classic film moments ruined by logic

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Chickenlittle

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Falseprophet said:
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Why exactly do starships need to keep their thrusters powered at all times when there is no force pushing back against them?
Law of Anime, #4: Law of Constant Thrust, First Law of Anime Motion: [http://www.abcb.com/laws/index.htm]

"In space, constant thrust equals constant velocity."
Sure, but...Star Wars isn't Anime...
 

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captain awesome 12 said:
Like how Eagle Eye had such a godawfully complicated plot to deliver a bomb into the Capitol Building when the computer could have just hijacked a jet and blew the place up.
Like how in Eagle Eye they have a complex hidden plan to shut the computer down when all you needed was a well placed hit in the eye of the thing.

When in doubt, kick it. Technology is awesome.
 

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carnkhan4 said:
One of the curses of being an overthinking
Eh? Being an overthinking?

Spoiler:

I think the new Indiana Jones movie kinda had that effect on me when the nuke goes off.
 

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Bullfrog1983 said:
carnkhan4 said:
One of the curses of being an overthinking
Eh? Being an overthinking?
I started a thread about being pedantic, so I should have expected this...

Independence day: how did they make a compatible virus for an alien spacecraft? I'm assuming they don't use macs or pcs...
 

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matrix3509 said:
carnkhan4 said:
One of the curses of being an overthinking is finding yourself watching a movie and suddenly thinking 'yes, this is an awesome sounding space battle but space is a vacuum there shouldn't be any noise at all' or watching the Bourne Identity and thinking 'the assassin in Paris killed the landlady in the lobby so he obviously came in that way, so why did he go to the trouble of swinging through a window with a machine gun?'

Basically what I'm trying to ask in a rambling way is do you end up sabotaging films for yourself too? if so what moments have been ruined?
Um the sound in space thing is fine. Its been done since space battles found their way to film. Even a physics enthusiast like myself is willing to let it slide because watching things pass by in space without sound is boring. About the only movie that has done no sound well was 2001: A Space Odyessy. Even then, the had the silence covered up with the Blue Danube and surprisingly poinant breathing.
Lies. Firefly/Serenity did the no sound thing pretty well.
 

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carnkhan4 said:
Bullfrog1983 said:
carnkhan4 said:
One of the curses of being an overthinking
Eh? Being an overthinking?
I started a thread about being pedantic, so I should have expected this...

Independence day: how did they make a compatible virus for an alien spacecraft? I'm assuming they don't use macs or pcs...
Loved Independence Day because of the gaping plot holes... haha
 

matrix3509

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a7r0p05 said:
matrix3509 said:
carnkhan4 said:
One of the curses of being an overthinking is finding yourself watching a movie and suddenly thinking 'yes, this is an awesome sounding space battle but space is a vacuum there shouldn't be any noise at all' or watching the Bourne Identity and thinking 'the assassin in Paris killed the landlady in the lobby so he obviously came in that way, so why did he go to the trouble of swinging through a window with a machine gun?'

Basically what I'm trying to ask in a rambling way is do you end up sabotaging films for yourself too? if so what moments have been ruined?
Um the sound in space thing is fine. Its been done since space battles found their way to film. Even a physics enthusiast like myself is willing to let it slide because watching things pass by in space without sound is boring. About the only movie that has done no sound well was 2001: A Space Odyessy. Even then, the had the silence covered up with the Blue Danube and surprisingly poinant breathing.
Lies. Firefly/Serenity did the no sound thing pretty well.
Seems like I'm the only person in the universe who thought Serenity was average at best. Everyone else seems to think it was God's gift to sci-fi.
 

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Adam Jenson said:
OK I got one.
In Die Hard where John first gets into the air vents and he uses the light from his lighter to see whats going on.

THERES NO WAY A TINY FLAME COULD CREATE SO MUCH LIGHT!
Well considering the reflectiveness of the vents (silver + shiny) it might be able to.
 

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matrix3509 said:
Seems like I'm the only person in the universe who thought Serenity was average at best. Everyone else seems to think it was God's gift to sci-fi.
'fraid so, I liked it even though they sometimes went overboard with the Western element. FOX did make a martyr of that show though...

Incidentally in firefly why would a bar have holographic windows? surely its cheaper to have normal windows and replace them every time someone gets inevitably thrown through them...
 

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matrix3509 said:
a7r0p05 said:
matrix3509 said:
carnkhan4 said:
One of the curses of being an overthinking is finding yourself watching a movie and suddenly thinking 'yes, this is an awesome sounding space battle but space is a vacuum there shouldn't be any noise at all' or watching the Bourne Identity and thinking 'the assassin in Paris killed the landlady in the lobby so he obviously came in that way, so why did he go to the trouble of swinging through a window with a machine gun?'

Basically what I'm trying to ask in a rambling way is do you end up sabotaging films for yourself too? if so what moments have been ruined?
Um the sound in space thing is fine. Its been done since space battles found their way to film. Even a physics enthusiast like myself is willing to let it slide because watching things pass by in space without sound is boring. About the only movie that has done no sound well was 2001: A Space Odyessy. Even then, the had the silence covered up with the Blue Danube and surprisingly poinant breathing.
Lies. Firefly/Serenity did the no sound thing pretty well.
Seems like I'm the only person in the universe who thought Serenity was average at best. Everyone else seems to think it was God's gift to sci-fi.
I didn't say that, I said they did the "no sound in space" thing pretty well.
 

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AboveUp said:
It's just a very, very minor thing but...
The Good, The Bad and the Ugly.
Just where the hell did Clint Eastwood get that costume from that he was wearing during the final shootout? There's nothing around in the entire area, he didn't have anything with him besides his guns and bullets, and yet there he is wearing a completely new (and completely awesome) costume. One that he must have mysteriously found and put on within a span of 5 minutes before the final shootout.
Wait, what? Are you talking about the serape? He picked it up off a soldier who was dying, the one he gave a last cigarillo to. That scene gets cut/heavily edited in several versions, notably the TV version. Anyway, Tuco spent a lot of time running around in the graveyard, enough for Blondie to catch him up after chasing him with the cannon fire; the Ecstacy of Gold scene is compressed a bit.

As to lightsabers, the canon tends to be very schizo. Ancillary sources and C canon say "it's plasma" as a handwave for it, ignoring the fact that very little of the base data says anything about that (it's more complicated). Look at a lightsaber very closely next time you watch one of the movies, the end isn't actually rounded so much as squared off. That's because there IS a laser involved, and the lightsaber is throwing a hard limiting point at the end of the beam to reflect it back toward the handle. Granted, the beam bouncing back and forth between the emitter array and the end a couple thousand times lights up any matter inside the field, but the principle allowing lightsaber fighting is that the containment fields allow matter through but glance off one another. Yes, containment fields exactly as seen are probably impossible, and magnetic fields, if lightsaber shaped, would appear closer to a very tight figure 8 than square-ended rods. So there is SOME plasma involved, but it's far closer to a fluorescent light than a blaster bolt frozen in space. The conception of a lightsaber as merely a containment field for recycled plasma is utterly wrong, almost as bad as the people conjecturing that it's a beam of "pure the Force" focused by a Jedi through the handle.


And that "the force is required to use a lightsaber" is pure fanwank. The force helps to use a lightsaber safely, nothing more.
 
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I just want to say that anyone who went into Indiana Jones and The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull expecting logic was in the wrong theater. That said... Two-Face being able to speak clearly after being burned was a bit WTF.
 

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The whole Joker plot to cause chaos because it so ridiculously convoluted that i had no chance of actually getting anywhere in real life.

http://www.cracked.com/article_15229_5-things-hollywood-thinks-computers-can-do.html
 

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Indigo_Dingo said:
theultimateend said:
Indigo_Dingo said:
theultimateend said:
Indigo_Dingo said:
http://www.cracked.com/article_16625_8-classic-movies-that-got-away-with-gaping-plot-holes.html

Also, The Thing. And Alien. And every sci-fi movie that works on suspense of an unknown terror. Way I see it, it could have attacked all of them within the space of a minute, and yet chooses to play around with them, leading to its own demise. The Thing especially, since it only has to chop itself up to be able to infect them all simultaneously.
Cats do the same thing they play with prey for shits and giggles.
We're talking about things slightly more sophisticated than a cat. Besides, The Thing was scared - it was the hunted.
I was more talking about the Aliens from Aliens.

I hardly thing they were more sophisticated than a cat :p. Unless you take into account genetic advantages and that's not really a cats fault. The only Alien to ever show some sort of "I understand" was that one that was a hybrid-human-alien thing.
In that case it was actually less sophisticated than a cat, lacking any form of emotion, including joy - doing what it had to do to protect its hive. In that case yet again playing with its prey makes no sense.
Well beats me. I always thought the movies sucked (as a personal opinion). People acted like they were the most creative things in the world.

To me they just sounded like Superman.

"Ok its got a super strong armor like skin...and it bleeds acid...and it has a mouth in its mouth that can punch through steel...and it can claw through shit...and it can survive in almost any environment...and and...it's baby form chokes people and has sex with their faces...oh man oh man what else can we shove into one goddamn thing!"
 

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Limasol said:
The whole Joker plot to cause chaos because it so ridiculously convoluted that i had no chance of actually getting anywhere in real life.

http://www.cracked.com/article_15229_5-things-hollywood-thinks-computers-can-do.html
Which is good because the DC universe != real life.
 

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Dark Knight. I found all those scenes when The Joker escaped a bit off top. How could he have put a bomb in someone's stomach that quick? And how did he get 1000 criminals on his side in literally 4 days. Also, he was practically invincible for the entire movie. He could run away from anything. When an entire mob of criminals with guns are near him, he still manages to escape.
 

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Flying-Emu said:
Lightsabers...

Dammit, why do those beams of light not just pass THROUGH each other?
Must not troll!
Must not troll!

They're suposidly made out of electrons.
Which theoreticly can be controled and manipulated.

Also since electrons are negativly charged they would repel other light sabers.

*disclaimer little to no factual evidence has been provided, mostly pulled it out of my ass*

Oh yea, light can be stoped: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2002/27mar_stoplight.htm
it can also be bent...thats right I just craped on everything they taught you about light in highschool. Through magnitism or extreme gravity.
 

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There is a big plot that most people don't seem to notice in Citizen Cane.

The opening scene Charles Kane utters his final words "rosebud", but if you notice the nurse doesn't come into the room until AFTER his says this. How the hell did she hear him?
 

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Falseprophet said:
Basically, if the movie stands up on other points, like the overall plot, the acting, the characters, the action sequences--I can overlook small blunders. Spiderman II is a good example; there are so many stupid things in that movie, like performing an experiment to create a minature star for the first time in a Manhattan apartment building in front of dozens of reporters with little protective gear instead of in a controlled lab environment far away from population centres. But the acting, character development and action scenes were all so well done I was willing to overlook that sort of thing.



Alternatively, a movie that is dumb but knows it is just a fun, dumb movie like Doomsday, Zoolander, or the Transporter movies--I can forgive all the inconsistencies and irrational things as long as the action is good (not too much shaky cam or bad CGI) or the jokes are funny.

On the other hand, a movie that thinks it's smart or important but isn't--like a lot of Oscar contenders, Jumper, Vanilla Sky--I find they insult my intelligence, so I'm more likely to nitpick every flaw in that case.
this! i think this. but i wanted to comment on some of your problems with wanted and LOTR.

wanted: you guys are nitpicking a movie that is pure fantasy. this is like nitpicking aladdin for having a talking parrot or a wish granting genie. wanted was a movie set firmly in the fantastical. having assasins that kill people throughout the ages. being able to curve bullets, reflexes to cause a car to flip just so... these are all marks of not trying to be convincing but fantastical. as in " wouldnt it be cool if we could shoot bullets with curved trajectories? yeah lets make a movie about being badasses while doing it" i loved wanted, for its outrageuos plot, badass stunts, and good acting. it was fun. plain old fun.

LOTR: you nitpick it for the fact that the eagles didnt fly over mt. doom and drop in the ring. this is rediculous. do you remember those winged dragons, the nazgul? the ones that literally broke peoples eardrums with their screams. there were like 9 of these beasts flying around mordor. it would have been impossible for one eagle to defeat them and get to mount doom. they would have ripped him to shreds.
 

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ellimist337 said:
The Shawshank Redemption

So, you've just reached the climax of the movie. Andy has broken out of prison, where he didn't belong, and the warden and Hadley are getting what they deserve. It's an ultimate moment in film. He "crawls through shit-smelling foulness and comes out clean on the other side." But there's always a nagging thought in the back of my head: how did Andy, a man at least 2 or 3 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier than the warden fit into a suit fitted for the warden? Even if you ignore the fact that Andy fit in the smaller man's shoes with no problem (some people do have small feet; Andy could be one of them) the suit doesn't make any sense. So, I choose just to ignore this.
It's a adaptation thing, in the book they are of equal size and height. Funny enough, the warden in the movie is actually the third warden in the book, and Andy didn't get out until the eighties...did anyone else happen to catch the Zihuatanejo reference on Chuck last week?