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[heyheysg]

Preventing people from committing suicide is even more selfish IMO.

Every single thing you do in your life is 'selfish' in a way.

On another note my 27th birthday is coming up, haven't accomplished much, don't really have goals, maybe I'll join the 27 club.

Join the military. I'm not being sarcastic. Trust me, I'm not in it yet, but knowing that you are going somewhere with your life, and knowing that your life is taken care of for a few years...that's a great feeling.

I kind of understand where you're coming from, when I read about or imagine the lives of people during the warring period, fighting and survival is on the top of your mind. The offside is you get killed instead. Every day is precious because you don't know how many you have left.

Same with starvation and drowning, deprive the human body of what it needs for awhile and you feel like living again.

But all that aside, if you were well-fed, comfortable and secure. What would you want out of life?

 

[KurtzGallahad]

Die quickly and painlessly or die slowly and torturously...

It all depends on wether you believe in the suicide = condemnation business I guess

Or if you haven't got the guts to commit the act when it comes time

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

Preventing people from committing suicide is even more selfish IMO.

Every single thing you do in your life is 'selfish' in a way.

On another note my 27th birthday is coming up, haven't accomplished much, don't really have goals, maybe I'll join the 27 club.

Join the military. I'm not being sarcastic. Trust me, I'm not in it yet, but knowing that you are going somewhere with your life, and knowing that your life is taken care of for a few years...that's a great feeling.

I kind of understand where you're coming from, when I read about or imagine the lives of people during the warring period, fighting and survival is on the top of your mind. The offside is you get killed instead. Every day is precious because you don't know how many you have left.

Same with starvation and drowning, deprive the human body of what it needs for awhile and you feel like living again.

But all that aside, if you were well-fed, comfortable and secure. What would you want out of life?

You do realize that the majority of positions in the military are non-combat, right? If you are fine with where you are, then that's all right. I'm just saying that you might not have fully considered all the options open to you. While some positions are combat positions, there are a lot that aren't. I'm going in as commsec maintenance, for example. No combat there, I just fix and set up communications.

 

[heyheysg]

Preventing people from committing suicide is even more selfish IMO.

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You do realize that the majority of positions in the military are non-combat, right? If you are fine with where you are, then that's all right. I'm just saying that you might not have fully considered all the options open to you. While some positions are combat positions, there are a lot that aren't. I'm going in as commsec maintenance, for example. No combat there, I just fix and set up communications.

I was actually conscripted, served for 3 years as an Ammo storeman, this thread was to discuss suicide, reasons for living as such. Not all people kill themselves because they are denied luxury, rock stars, famous people all kill themselves.

It's not for the lack of want that people feel 'desperate' and kill themselves some times, most starving people can't even imagine that as a resort, the body doesn't allow it.

Being in the military goes against my ideals and principles, so it doesn't really affect my decisions.

 

[MASTACHIEFPWN]

I really don't have much to say about suicide. It is usually a bad disicion, "Nothing to life for"... well, life is something to live for, everything is something to live for, but that is just my view on it. But I think it is, in a way, to heavily looked upon. some idiots at my school made up a rumor that I was going to commit suicide... For some odd reason, I forgave them. If you are reported to going to commit suicide, you have a reason to. I had to talk to some gay counciler at my school "by order of the law" according to her... bunch of bull crap. you are treated like an animal if someone thinks you are going to commit suicide. if someone is going to, try by your own hand to change their mind, do not turn to some psycho closet.

 

[Azraellod]

I have no issues with suicide. I think it's sad if someone decides to go through with it, but I believe that forcing someone to stay alive when they don't want to be is truly despicable. Everyone should be able to go out on their own terms if they want to do so, and preventing that is in my eyes a violation of human rights.

By all means, if someone is suicidal, someone should be allowed to try and talk to them about it, or try and find another option, but if they have to physically stop them by holding them down or something, then that's over the line.

It helps here if I use the metaphor that life is a game of sorts. If you don't want to play because you aren't enjoying it, you shouldn't be forced to do so. True, you might enjoy playing it later on, but that shouldn't mean you have to do so, and I cant see how being forced to keep playing is enjoyable for anyone.

 

[KiKiweaky]

I have no issues with suicide. I think it's sad if someone decides to go through with it, but I believe that forcing someone to stay alive when they don't want to be is truly despicable. Everyone should be able to go out on their own terms if they want to do so, and preventing that is in my eyes a violation of human rights.

By all means, if someone is suicidal, someone should be allowed to try and talk to them about it, or try and find another option, but if they have to physically stop them by holding them down or something, then that's over the line.

It helps here if I use the metaphor that life is a game of sorts. If you don't want to play because you aren't enjoying it, you shouldn't be forced to do so. True, you might enjoy playing it later on, but that shouldn't mean you have to do so, and I cant see how being forced to keep playing is enjoyable for anyone.

What about those that are mentally ill?

I work in a psychiatric hospital, where some people have to be watched by nurses 24 hours a day because they have lost it, and will try and kill themselves. Do you think we should just 'let them' do it?

 

[Azraellod]

What about those that are mentally ill?

I work in a psychiatric hospital, where some people have to be watched by nurses 24 hours a day because they have lost it, and will try and kill themselves. Do you think we should just 'let them' do it?

Yes, I do.

If they want to kill themselves, then I say they should be allowed to do so. Even if their reasoning is not rational, it doesn't change the fact that they still want to die, and forcing them to live on in that situation is just cruel in my eyes.

 

[Video Gone]

I've had thoughts about it, but I've never attempted it. And if somebody really wants to do it, nobody should stop them. Of course, they are allowed to try to convince them, but they're not allowed to literally stop them.

Jim Carrey is.
He's musically allowed to stop them.

 

[Shynobee]

I've never even come close to ever having to commit suicide. I have a great life, (in my opinion) so I really can't say what its like to be in that kind of position.

What I do know is this, don't commit suicide, because, honestly, its not nice. You seriously want other people to have to get rid of your cold, lifeless corpse? That's just mean.

And if your reason for committing suicide is because people were mean to you, don't lower yourself to their level, you are better than them.

 

[superkenalmighty]

What about those that are mentally ill?

I work in a psychiatric hospital, where some people have to be watched by nurses 24 hours a day because they have lost it, and will try and kill themselves. Do you think we should just 'let them' do it?

Yes, I do.

If they want to kill themselves, then I say they should be allowed to do so. Even if their reasoning is not rational, it doesn't change the fact that they still want to die, and forcing them to live on in that situation is just cruel in my eyes.

I've had family in that situation, but they got better and regret ever thinking of suicide. They're also very thankful for the people who stopped them and got them out of that rut.

I think your opinion is based on principal rather than experience. =/

 

[KiKiweaky]

What about those that are mentally ill?

I work in a psychiatric hospital, where some people have to be watched by nurses 24 hours a day because they have lost it, and will try and kill themselves. Do you think we should just 'let them' do it?

Yes, I do.

If they want to kill themselves, then I say they should be allowed to do so. Even if their reasoning is not rational, it doesn't change the fact that they still want to die, and forcing them to live on in that situation is just cruel in my eyes.

These people aren't only irrational they have totally lost it, one of them was convinced that a delivery guy was an actor from blade runner (despite the fact that the guy was in his early 20's) and was trying to get his autograph. He's now well, living, working and has even written to the building thanking the staff?

Would you still opt for letting him kill himself despite the fact that people can obviously recover? You can't cure everyone I know but surely stories like this should at least make you think giving them a chance to recover is infinitely better than letting complete their first suicide attempt.

 

[Azraellod]

These people aren't only irrational they have totally lost it, one of them was convinced that a delivery guy was an actor from blade runner (despite the fact that the guy was in his early 20's) and was trying to get his autograph. He's now well, living, working and has even written to the building thanking the staff?

Would you still opt for letting him kill himself despite the fact that people can obviously recover? You can't cure everyone I know but surely stories like this should at least make you think giving them a chance to recover is infinitely better than letting complete their first suicide attempt.

...huh. I actually responded to the guy above you via pm about this earlier today, because I figured that now this thread was closed people weren't supposed to use it anymore, but ok then.

I'm well aware that people may regret trying to kill themselves at a later date. They may indeed recover from whatever is causing them to be like that. However, I think that forcing them to remain alive because they might recover is cruel, and makes that person suffer through forcing them to continue living when it might not even have an effect.

If it was a matter of just giving them a chance to recover, then I'd be more willing to concede here, but what sort of time period would the given recovery time be? I'm pretty sure it would most likely have to be marked down as at least five years to allow people to recover properly, and to me, that sounds like too long for the others.

 

[KiKiweaky]

These people aren't only irrational they have totally lost it, one of them was convinced that a delivery guy was an actor from blade runner (despite the fact that the guy was in his early 20's) and was trying to get his autograph. He's now well, living, working and has even written to the building thanking the staff?

Would you still opt for letting him kill himself despite the fact that people can obviously recover? You can't cure everyone I know but surely stories like this should at least make you think giving them a chance to recover is infinitely better than letting complete their first suicide attempt.

...huh. I actually responded to the guy above you via pm about this earlier today, because I figured that now this thread was closed people weren't supposed to use it anymore, but ok then.

I'm well aware that people may regret trying to kill themselves at a later date. They may indeed recover from whatever is causing them to be like that. However, I think that forcing them to remain alive because they might recover is cruel, and makes that person suffer through forcing them to continue living when it might not even have an effect.

If it was a matter of just giving them a chance to recover, then I'd be more willing to concede here, but what sort of time period would the given recovery time be? I'm pretty sure it would most likely have to be marked down as at least five years to allow people to recover properly, and to me, that sounds like too long for the others.

I really don't know. Some people never truly recover and have to fight their illness their entire lives. Some can over come it while others can't.

Others can appear normal and relapse into a state of madness if they don't take their medication. One of the biggest problems with the meds they are getting is they are extremely powerful. I haven't done any research on the topic, but from talking with people some of the meds can lead to excessive weight gain. Which for many people is something they will be worried about and will cause them to stop the meds they are on.

Admittedly I have never been suicidal but I have been effected by it twice. Both on the 26th of December exactly a year apart. One of the guys who killed himself was found hanging from the rafters of in his shed by his son, so I don't see how the person committing suicide solves anything.

By relieving his own trouble, he has now passed it onto his family. In the case above his son bore the brunt of it, thankfully he was too young to remember it, I don't see how what he did is any less cruel, than him being put into hospital and at least giving his son the chance of having a father.

 

[Azraellod]

I really don't know. Some people never truly recover and have to fight their illness their entire lives. Some can over come it while others can't.

Others can appear normal and relapse into a state of madness if they don't take their medication. One of the biggest problems with the meds they are getting is they are extremely powerful. I haven't done any research on the topic, but from talking with people some of the meds can lead to excessive weight gain. Which for many people is something they will be worried about and will cause them to stop the meds they are on.

Admittedly I have never been suicidal but I have been effected by it twice. Both on the 26th of December exactly a year apart. One of the guys who killed himself was found hanging from the rafters of in his shed by his son, so I don't see how the person committing suicide solves anything.

By relieving his own trouble, he has now passed it onto his family. In the case above his son bore the brunt of it, thankfully he was too young to remember it, I don't see how what he did is any less cruel, than him being put into hospital and at least giving his son the chance of having a father.

See, while I'm for giving people a chance to recover, it shouldn't be a long one in my view, so that those that aren't going to recover have to suffer less. But if, say, it was six months or something, then I'm pretty sure that isn't going to save a lot of those that do in fact have a chance to recover. It's horribly difficult to compromise between the two groups.

While I support someone having the right to commit suicide, I do think that there are nicer ways of going about it. For example, leaving a note explaining why they felt it was necessary, and trying to set it up so it traumatizes those close to them as little as possible. Having them just hang themselves in a shed makes me think this person hadn't really thought about these things.

Now while I'm for giving people a choice in suicide, I do think it's something they should think about carefully before trying[footnote]obviously for those that have irrational reasons for it, this isn't always possible[/footnote].

I'm not going to deny that suicide isn't sometimes selfish act, passing off the problems onto those around them, but I think I'd rather have someone close to me die, then have them keep on living when they don't want to just so I wouldn't suffer.

(Sorry if that sounded insensitive by the way, it's just how I'd look at it.)

EDIT: Conversation has been moved to pm.