CNN overreacting and claiming Manga is child porn

[Boris Goodenough]

Look, if this kind of material makes people want to rape kids, then violent video games will turn people into murderers. sounds pretty logical to me. Fantasy does not equal reality. No matter how tasteless the work may be. Soon we might as well ban ANY kind of fantasy that we deem to be inappropriate. You should be able to watch whatever you want so long as your not breaking the law, or hurting no one. I

The issue here it IS against the law in many places.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

Does "sexual regression therapy" actually work?
I know that you can change sexual preferences over time but most of the time it's a natural progression that you cannot force.
In my personal experience overexposure reduced ones reaction to something and doesn't make you more likely to act on it.
I don't buy into developing sexual appetites from exposure to it, mine didn't even exist when I was a child and there is absolutely no reason to develop one for it as I was never exposed to it in any sexual context.

I am not a fan of "regression therapy" of any kind tbh. However, CBT has been shown to be effective:
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/291419-treatment#aw2aab6b6b2
http://jcx.sagepub.com/content/14/2/109.short?rss=1&ssource=mfr

As I read it, it is in some cases, some of the time, to a certain degree and needs constant vigilance by everyone involved for it to barely work.
I can see it's the only thing that you can do but it doesn't seem THAT helpful.

Yes, we do not have many tools at our disposal currently, and hopefully in time we will have much better tools. For now, it is what we have. CBT in combination with the patient knowingly withdrawing themselves from situations that trigger episodes is the best treatment they have. Which in the case of being attracted to "cute little children and animals" would mean no manga.

I know many like to think of how far we have come and how "modern" we are now, but I do hope one day we can look back on this time in medicine in awe of how barbaric and crude it really is. We can only try to do the best we can with the tools we are given, and currently this is it.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

That makes this even worse. If people are actually becoming sexually attracted to cute little animals and kids cartoon or otherwise, they should work even harder to correct the problem and encourage a healthier sexual appetite instead. Reducing exposure to sexualized cuteness would be a start. It is unhealthy and could be damaging to their relationships and actual adult human social interactions. For example, if someone is more sexually attracted to a furby than an adult male/female they should consider seeking a Psychiatrist to assist them with their problem rather than buying more furbys.

How people get their kicks is up to them. As long as they don't hurt or watch others being hurt I really don't see too much of a problem with it.

Fetishes are fetishes because they're weird and controversial. There's people who like to wear diapers, or who are attracted to clowns or balloons, and others who have love dolls. It's freaky, but eh...

This "lolicon" stuff however falls into an odd place, where on the one hand it's just a drawning, but on the other it's sexualizing something that in real life is such a horrid and devastating thing. Though you could also say the same thing about torture porn.

How people get their kicks can be and often is harmless however, it can also be devastating to the person and affect their life in a very negative way. These " kicks" can destroy their relationships, lead to isolation, anxiety, and often leads to depression and suicide if properly addressed. Often people do not seek help because they are embarrassed or they do not even realize they have a problem until it has effected their life in a negative way.

Only if the person takes it to obsessive levels and if thats the case then it sounds more like they need treatment for being obsessive compulsive of some sort. Or to put it like this, it sounds more like you're going for the symptoms of something rather than the cause here.

When we are dealing with a paraphilic disorder, we do have to treat the symptoms because we often do not know the cause or are unable to actually treat the cause. We can and do attempt medication, but that is not as effective as CBT tbh. It would be wonderful if we could always address the cause, but that is not always the case.

 

[Ranorak]

That makes this even worse. If people are actually becoming sexually attracted to cute little animals and kids cartoon or otherwise, they should work even harder to correct the problem and encourage a healthier sexual appetite instead. Reducing exposure to sexualized cuteness would be a start. It is unhealthy and could be damaging to their relationships and actual adult human social interactions. For example, if someone is more sexually attracted to a furby than an adult male/female they should consider seeking a Psychiatrist to assist them with their problem rather than buying more furbys.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/291419-treatment

Why?

What is wrong with being sexually attracted to drawings of cute stuff. As long as you keep it to yourself or drawn internet pictures.
I'd rather have someone getting their rocks off on animated or drawn pictures of little girls then actual REAL little girls.

Yes, I too was a bit shocked when I found out that there is a whole portion of the world that is sexually attracted to furries, but it doesn't harm anyone. What's the difference between furries and furbies?

I feel that everyone has the right to get a boner from whatever the fuck they like, so long as the active parties can consent.
Seeing as how children can never consent, they should never be used. Drawings however, are not real and thus don't need consent.

 

[Buckshaft]

Well the cover does look vaguely porn-y.

So do a lot of manga, even the ones that have NO sexual content whatsoever.

As someone going to an anime convention in two hours, I have only this to say.

AHAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAAAAAAHAHAHHHA.... American media.

 

[Julius Terrell]

Look, if this kind of material makes people want to rape kids, then violent video games will turn people into murderers. sounds pretty logical to me. Fantasy does not equal reality. No matter how tasteless the work may be. Soon we might as well ban ANY kind of fantasy that we deem to be inappropriate. You should be able to watch whatever you want so long as your not breaking the law, or hurting no one. I

The issue here it IS against the law in many places.

Barring that small oversight; my statement stands. It's not illegal everywhere.

 

[Boris Goodenough]

Yes, we do not have many tools at our disposal currently, and hopefully in time we will have much better tools. For now, it is what we have. CBT in combination with the patient knowingly withdrawing themselves from situations that trigger episodes is the best treatment they have. Which in the case of being attracted to "cute little children and animals" would mean no manga.

I know many like to think of how far we have come and how "modern" we are now, but I do hope one day we can look back on this time in medicine in awe of how barbaric and crude it really is. We can only try to do the best we can with the tools we are given, and currently this is it.

Rewriting memory/personality with chmical cocktails (and stimulation)?
I guess it's like with insulin/shock therapy, it's barberic but it works.

I mean this argument (about animation) comes down to are people who watch paraphilia animation more likely to offend than those who do not?

 

[SacremPyrobolum]

Well, it's not like this sort of stuff was ever not vilified. It's tolerated because it's drawn, and drawn in a way to not represent reality at all, but this has always been creepy fetish territory.

The idea behind it might be reprehensible, but this is not an act of child pornography.

I honestly find that MORE offensive than Hustler because it isn't just sexualizing women, it is sexualizing girls with child like features. As a woman, I am not offended by the portrayal of women in Hustler and enjoy a good bit of porn myself, however I am offended by the portrayal of women in anime as " little dolls" and see that as more degrading. Making women into " feisty little dolls" (which I have actually been called by a man) places women in a light to not be taken seriously, and treats us as helpless as children. Even worse, it is sexualizing young girls, especially in anime with their child like features and high pitched voices, which should be considered off limits sexually and in extremely poor taste.

This is not just a girls thing though. Anything that's small and cute tends to have its own little subgenre in Japanese comics, whether it's girls, boys, or animals. Japan has kind of a thing for cuteness to a point where a certain percentage is sexually attracted to it.

That makes this even worse. If people are actually becoming sexually attracted to cute little animals and kids cartoon or otherwise, they should work even harder to correct the problem and encourage a healthier sexual appetite instead. Reducing exposure to sexualized cuteness would be a start. It is unhealthy and could be damaging to their relationships and actual adult human social interactions. For example, if someone is more sexually attracted to a furby than an adult male/female they should consider seeking a Psychiatrist to assist them with their problem rather than buying more furbys.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/291419-treatment

Why? Whose business is it that I get off to Furbys? Or anything else for that matter?

Thats something I don't understand in many of these responses. Why are people so concerned with what other people might get off to? Don't ask, don't tell I say.

 

[Boris Goodenough]

Barring that small oversight; my statement stands. It's not illegal everywhere.

I wouln't call it an oversight, what I meant was that somethings can be made illegal that was priviously legal, and it can be anything that some people find offensive and all of a sudden what was once right in your example is now wrong.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

That makes this even worse. If people are actually becoming sexually attracted to cute little animals and kids cartoon or otherwise, they should work even harder to correct the problem and encourage a healthier sexual appetite instead. Reducing exposure to sexualized cuteness would be a start. It is unhealthy and could be damaging to their relationships and actual adult human social interactions. For example, if someone is more sexually attracted to a furby than an adult male/female they should consider seeking a Psychiatrist to assist them with their problem rather than buying more furbys.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/291419-treatment

Why?

What is wrong with being sexually attracted to drawings of cute stuff. As long as you keep it to yourself or drawn internet pictures.
I'd rather have someone getting their rocks off on animated or drawn pictures of little girls then actual REAL little girls.

Yes, I too was a bit shocked when I found out that there is a whole portion of the world that is sexually attracted to furries, but it doesn't harm anyone. What's the difference between furries and furbies?

I feel that everyone has the right to get a boner from whatever the fuck they like, so long as the active parties can consent.
Seeing as how children can never consent, they should never be used. Drawings however, are not real and thus don't need consent.

Fostering sexual desire for drawn cute little children is just as unhealthy as fostering a sexual desire for photographs of little children. It is the idea that this is somehow sexually acceptable to do. It matters not if they are drawn or photographed, neither are actually being touched, but both should be discouraged as there is not the possibility of this being an acceptable relationship in reality.

Encouraging a paraphilic disorder only ensures that they cannot fulfill these sexual desires in reality and failing to resolve the issue would condemn them to an unfulfilled sex life, often resulting in other issues with anxiety and depression. CBT can be effective at assisting them to live a satisfying healthy sex life.

 

[Kolby Jack]

The term manga means "casual drawing." The earliest examples date back to the 7th century, but it became very popular in the post-war period, Macquarie's Bryce said.
That coincided that with the work of the so-called "God of manga" Tezuka Osamu, the creator of "Astro Boy," one of the more popular Japanese characters that made the leap into Western media.
Now the industry is worth an estimated $3.6 billion in comic book and magazine sales, according to the Publishing Science Institute figures from 2013. Animation takes in another extra $2.3 billion, according to the Media Development Research Institute.
As Bryce points out, only a very small proportion of the market peddles sexually explicit material involving children.
"Very often people think manga equals sexual or manga equals violence. But it's only a part of manga... there are some very poetic, very beautiful ones," she said.

It's not exactly an ironclad defense, but they do explicitly say that the child porn stuff is a very small portion of the market. Is the article deliberately misleading? Sure, but I'd say it's a far cry from a witch-hunt, and it's not hard to see where they are coming from (cartoon pornography isn't nearly as big in the west, so I imagine it's a bit of a shock to see how comparatively big it is over there). This is hardly something to get upset about.

 

[Boris Goodenough]

Fostering sexual desire for drawn cute little children is just as unhealthy as fostering a sexual desire for photographs of little children. It is the idea that this is somehow sexually acceptable to do. It matters not if they are drawn or photographed, neither are actually being touched, but both should be discouraged as there is not the possibility of this being an acceptable relationship in reality.

Encouraging a paraphilic disorder only ensures that they cannot fulfill these sexual desires in reality and failing to resolve the issue would condemn them to an unfulfilled sex life, often resulting in other issues with anxiety and depression. CBT can be effective at assisting them to live a satisfying healthy sex life.

Not as unhealthy as no one gets hurt in the drawing process, which is why I think it's "ok" to draw these things.
Do people live better sexual lives when they get CBT though? Isn't it just a away to not offend?

 

[Shinkicker444]

Child porn? I'd say nope. Offensive? Yep, in many cases but not all. Depends on the portrayal. TBH, I've found I can't enjoy many of the more recent stuff because it just seems more and more it panders to oversexualising characters and situations. I hate (excessive) fanservice with an unholy passion, because it detracts from the overall anime/manga and undermines the whole thing.

 

[Alleged_Alec]

That makes this even worse. If people are actually becoming sexually attracted to cute little animals and kids cartoon or otherwise, they should work even harder to correct the problem and encourage a healthier sexual appetite instead. Reducing exposure to sexualized cuteness would be a start. It is unhealthy and could be damaging to their relationships and actual adult human social interactions. For example, if someone is more sexually attracted to a furby than an adult male/female they should consider seeking a Psychiatrist to assist them with their problem rather than buying more furbys.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/291419-treatment

Nope. You just crossed a line there. You're now in the same group of people as the ones saying homosexuality is bad for you. Hell, you're even suggesting the same kinds of 'treatments'.

As long as they don't hurt actual organisms with their paraphilia, just let them be aroused by anything which does it for them. Hell, I think that furries are pretty weird people. However, despite this, they are completely normal in their behaviour. Just let people fap/shlick/fuck to what they want to. It's not harming anyone.

Also: please, just read what you typed. "healthier sexual apetite"? "damaging to their relationships [...] and social interactions"?

Fostering sexual desire for drawn cute little children is just as unhealthy as fostering a sexual desire for photographs of little children. It is the idea that this is somehow sexually acceptable to do. It matters not if they are drawn or photographed, neither are actually being touched, but both should be discouraged as there is not the possibility of this being an acceptable relationship in reality.

So?

Encouraging a paraphilic disorder only ensures that they cannot fulfill these sexual desires in reality and failing to resolve the issue would condemn them to an unfulfilled sex life, often resulting in other issues with anxiety and depression. CBT can be effective at assisting them to live a satisfying healthy sex life.

Again: who are you to decide this for people?

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

Fostering sexual desire for drawn cute little children is just as unhealthy as fostering a sexual desire for photographs of little children. It is the idea that this is somehow sexually acceptable to do. It matters not if they are drawn or photographed, neither are actually being touched, but both should be discouraged as there is not the possibility of this being an acceptable relationship in reality.

Encouraging a paraphilic disorder only ensures that they cannot fulfill these sexual desires in reality and failing to resolve the issue would condemn them to an unfulfilled sex life, often resulting in other issues with anxiety and depression. CBT can be effective at assisting them to live a satisfying healthy sex life.

Not as unhealthy as no one gets hurt in the drawing process, which is why I think it's "ok" to draw these things.
Do people live better sexual lives when they get CBT though? Isn't it just a away to not offend?

How effective treatment is is dependent on a good number of factors, including the cause.
For example, if a brain tumor is the cause, that can be treated quite successfully by removing the tumor and therapy.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2943-brain-tumour-causes-uncontrollable-paedophilia.html#.U6PzQ_ldUeE

It really depends on the patient and their condition. If it is something easily remedied via CBT and or medication, they can go on to have a healthy happy sex life like anyone else and put it behind them. Often the cause is more difficult and could even be a birth defect, a chemical imbalance, or a psychological condition that is not as easily treated, and they may not be able to cope as well.

 

[Verlander]

Didn't watch link, but I read the news article about Japan banning porn on BBC (no opinions, no discussions, no "for the sake of balance" - just news) and when reading about how several manga producers and artists were trying to stop the ban on child pornography for reasons of "freedom of speech" I was curious as to how the world would react, particularly the British right wing, to whom both freedom of speech and anti-paedophilia are both major rallying points. They chose to ignore it. While I don't agree with CNN on nearly anything, it's good that it's being discussed. You have to question the motivation of anyone who opposes a ban on child pornography, and when there's a strong contingent of manga artists doing so, it's going to raise questions. I daresay it'll get explained away as "libertarianism" or whatever by the internet generation, but I personally think that the artists are in the wrong, and need to accept progression. Sexualising children is categorically wrong, because it's non-consensual above all else.

 

[Boris Goodenough]

How effective treatment is is dependent on a good number of factors, including the cause.
For example, if a brain tumor is the cause, that can be treated quite successfully by removing the tumor and therapy.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2943-brain-tumour-causes-uncontrollable-paedophilia.html#.U6PzQ_ldUeE

It really depends on the patient and their condition. If it is something easily remedied via CBT and or medication, they can go on to have a healthy happy sex life like anyone else and put it behind them. Often the cause is more difficult and could even be a birth defect, a chemical imbalance, or a psychological condition that is not as easily treated, and they may not be able to cope as well.

They say it is rare for brain tumours there (also brain surgery in general is a VERY risky) however that lots of things could be damaged there and not be found. So one therapy could be stem cells regenerating that area?

Most people I have talked with about fetishes say it's often hard to get off without their particular fetish there, so my question was really: "Do they go back to 'normal' levels of sexual desires again after CBT, or are they effectively neutered sexually?".

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

How effective treatment is is dependent on a good number of factors, including the cause.
For example, if a brain tumor is the cause, that can be treated quite successfully by removing the tumor and therapy.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2943-brain-tumour-causes-uncontrollable-paedophilia.html#.U6PzQ_ldUeE

It really depends on the patient and their condition. If it is something easily remedied via CBT and or medication, they can go on to have a healthy happy sex life like anyone else and put it behind them. Often the cause is more difficult and could even be a birth defect, a chemical imbalance, or a psychological condition that is not as easily treated, and they may not be able to cope as well.

They say it is rare for brain tumours there (also brain surgery in general is a VERY risky) however that lots of things could be damaged there and not be found. So one therapy could be stem cells regenerating that area?

Most people I have talked with about fetishes say it's often hard to get off without their particular fetish there, so my question was really: "Do they go back to 'normal' levels of sexual desires again after CBT, or are they effectively neutered sexually?".

Yes, stem cell therapy very well could be a viable treatment depending on the issue. Some people do have normal sexual desires and activity with CBT treatment, others, depending on the issue may not be able to do so. Many treated for paraphilic disorders have received treatment early on rather than waiting for it to become a bigger problem. From my understanding those who seek treatment sooner rather than later have better results.

From personal experience, I have had my own "fetishes" come and go myself, not as disturbing as these, but I think what "rocks your world" is subject to change and time like everything else. Fetishes can come and go, obsessions are another thing however.

My chosen fields of study were Pediatric Medicine and Immunology, not Psychiatry or Neurology, so I do not have as much information on this topic as I would like to give you.